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Anonymous

21:00

Utterance is a common term in linguistics

MARamezani

Aww

NOT A LINNNGGUISSST!

Anonymous

Which Wikipedia defines poorly.

Anonymous

Wikipedia says: "In spoken language analysis an utterance is a smallest unit of speech."

Anonymous

Seriously, "a smallest unit of speech"?

Anonymous

You'd need a pretty exceptional context for that phrase to make any sense

MARamezani

21:02

واج

I get it.

Damkerng T.

Oh, which is more natural?
"A home to come back (to)"
"A home to go back (to)"

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. That's a math question.

Anonymous

An utterance is not the same thing as a phoneme

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Hah!

MARamezani

@snailboat I know.

It must make sense somehow, right?

Damkerng T.

21:03

@snailboat Surprise! I don't think it's smallest.

Anonymous

"A smallest unit of speech" is also inadequate as a definition for phoneme

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Umm, good question.

Anonymous

Maybe it depends on context.

Anonymous

Come and go are deictic verbs

MARamezani

Wait a sec. When did I say it's the same as phoneme?

Or wait a minute.

Anonymous

21:04

You didn't. All you said was واج

MARamezani

Oh, and I also said: It must make sense somehow, right?

Anonymous

What must?

MARamezani

Hmm, so utterance is a "collection of syllables"?

Anonymous

An utterance is something like a sentence. It isn't precisely defined

Anonymous

It's something you say, quite possibly bounded by silence on either side

Iplodman

21:07

Yo!

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I like that definition.

Yo!

MARamezani

@snailboat Well, I've heard some people can define a dot. :)

Hullo!

Damkerng T.

I think an utterance is something we utter in one blow.

Iplodman

@snailboat An utterance is a kind of murmur under the breath.

Anonymous

@Iplodman An utterance is often spoken normally.

Iplodman

21:08

Is it?

Anonymous

Yes.

Iplodman

Hm.

Seems so.

Maybe I've only ever heard it used one way ;P

Damkerng T.

Isn't it strange that utterly seems to have nothing to do with utterance?

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. They parted ways half a millennium ago

Damkerng T.

Ahh

Anonymous

21:10

@Iplodman We were discussing utterance, a term of art in linguistics

Anonymous

Sentence and utterance are discussed on page 94 of David Crystal's Cambridge Encyclopedia of Language

Iplodman

Ah, okay c:

Anonymous

I just saved a file using my browser, and I bumped ] when I hit enter to select the default filename

Anonymous

So now I have ].pdf.

Anonymous

I wonder how many times over the years I've done something similar

Iplodman

21:14

We've all been there ;P

Anonymous

I guess I'll give it a better name, like Bob

Iplodman

My maths teacher has the best file names: (4) Copy of (3) Copy of (2) Copy of (1)... .

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Ah, I usually bumped my ' key!

@Iplodman I used to have lots of files with an untypeable filename.

Also, lots of undeletable files.

Iplodman

Wait... what?

Anonymous

@Iplodman Oh, are you in the UK?

Iplodman

21:22

I'm sure you just didn't try hard enough to delete them ;)

@snailboat Yup. I guess you got that form "maths"? :P

Damkerng T.

I tried much enough. The best I could do was to move them to some place else.

Sometimes it happens in Windows!

Anonymous

Yeah, I've got files in Windows I can't access from Windows

Damkerng T.

lol

Iplodman

Did you throw your hard drive into the eye of Sauron?

Anonymous

Thanks to Linux NTFS support

Damkerng T.

21:23

I finally moved everything else out of it and formatted it.

Anonymous

Wow!

Anonymous

I'd've been happy to leave the files be :-)

MARamezani

@snailboat The Net is full of sites that claim they can teach you bypass that.

Damkerng T.

I left them be for a while, up to that point! :-)

Anonymous

I'll just mention rm -- here.

Anonymous

21:24

@MARamezani Bypass a minor API issue?

MARamezani

Sometimes they aren't minor. I don't dig enough, so don't ask me!

Anonymous

So you're talking about something other than what I was talking about. Got it.

Anonymous

@Iplodman Yes! I like "maths" :-)

Anonymous

It reminds me of Look Around You

Iplodman

Never heard of it :(

I learn so much here!

Anonymous

21:33

vimeo.com/13497928

Iplodman

Ah, I'm too young for that.

Anonymous

You're not really.

Anonymous

It's relatively recent.

Damkerng T.

Oh, you've probably run into this sometimes. Because some of my computers are very old, filenames aren't in Unicode, but on most of my newer computers, filenames will be in Unicode. The funny thing is using USB HDDs with both old and new computers will give me files with a name like "????? ?????? ??????.txt"!

MARamezani

Off I am. Sleepy as a bear. tty.

Anonymous

21:33

It's a parody of old educational videos, though :-)

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Sleep tight!

Iplodman

Ah.