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21:02
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Q: Which way is more natural on phrasal verbs?

user10222many answers have been up about phrasal verbs and i've seen most of it, and were of very useful answers So,i know how the most of pieces(prepositions) are being used. And fairly got used to idioms by reading much of books I just want to get opinions about how natives accept these kinds of se...

Anonymous
This question doesn't make any sense
Anonymous
Native speakers don't have conscious access to this information, so you can't pick any of the OP's alternatives and call them "more natural"
Anonymous
You might be able to get people to make up answers, but they probably won't reflect anything useful
I don't get them.
First, how is "off the bus" a phrasal verb?
Way?
The title of the question adds up to the ambiguity.
Anonymous
It's a preposition phrase.
21:04
Exactly.
Wait....
Is this like a+(b+c) = (a+b) +c ?
Gives me that impression!
This is how native speakers digest information: [He] [is] [getting] [off] [the] [bus].
Anonymous
The question isn't defined well enough to answer
@DamkerngT. Oh you mean they multiply the concentrations of each?
Too much chemistry.
possible duplicate of Which way is more natural on Phrasal structures (which you yourself posted a few minutes earlier). — FumbleFingers 1 min ago
Or is this a case of absolute value?
21:07
Let's pick one! Which one should we vote to close?
Sorry it has been uploaded the same questions at once for internet problems :( — user10222 7 mins ago
This makes things even weirder.
Is the guy a riddle master? :)
Anonymous
Although that comment is ungrammatical, the meaning seems clear enough
^ I second that ;P
Woo, an upvote! ;P
21:10
This is the funniest gibberish I read today.
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Q: Proper word for understood

ArashI want to communicate to a person that her situation and conditions are understandable and I get it. Is: You're being "understood". The most accurate one? Is "understood" the best word in this context?

I wonder what the OP really wanted to say.
"....YOU....ARE....UNDERSTOOD!"
"I get you" or "We understand you"?
Seems so, lifeless to me.
Anonymous
There's a story behind the Belgium thing.
21:11
As if a drone in star wars said that.
@snailboat Wait there is?
@MARamezani You're welcome ;)
I suggest you read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in full!
Yeah it was worth laughing and "changing the atmosphere" a bit.
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A: Discerning between when and while

Darius MiliauskasBoth of them indicate same-time (synchronous) activities, however, there are some differences: "When isfollowed by a clause with an activity that (1) is a short interruption, or (2) occurs at nearly the same time or shortly after another activity. A nonprogressive verb form is more comm...

Wow you're really good at making up new emoticons Iplod.
21:14
Plagiarism alert!
@DamkerngT. BZZZZZZZZ! BZZZZZZZZZ!
Oh, it's all over the web! I don't know which one is the original!
I'd post this if SE would allow it! (Source)
@MARamezani Am I? <(0~0)>
(Thanks, I think ;P)
21:17
@DamkerngT. Flagging would suffice. (I really use "suffice" a lot today)
@DamkerngT. Is that a martian?
@MARamezani Not really. A Martian would look like this: <(^_^)>
@DamkerngT. So is that a deaf martian? (I think snailor is gonna leave now!)
Anonymous
(。•́︿•̀。)
(^_^)"
@snailboat That's
Cute!
21:20
>--|(D:<)3
Alright I think we're overdoing it!
Anonymous
@Iplodman From one angle, a sad butler wearing a cake hat
@snailboat Heh!
@Iplodman Wait is it a hammerhead?
(Shark)
Anonymous
I'm having a bit of a Rorschach moment here
21:22
Guys, it was meant to be a person! :(
Anonymous
Butlers are people too!
@snailboat Heh.
Yo, guys, what should I do if an edit to my post is trivial?
Anonymous
Is it a trivial improvement?
Not particularly.
Anonymous
21:23
Then decline
I rejected it.
Anonymous
Yeah, that.
Anonymous
You reject edits, but decline flags. I'm used to saying decline :-)
@snailboat Rorschach in Watchmen?!
Thanks!
:P
Anonymous
21:24
Naw, I meant like a Rorschach test.
I've never done this before ;P
@Iplodman Yay! Custodian badge, man!
The guys jogging on my nerves now.
So many trivial edits!
Anonymous
21:25
@MARamezani I'll make you a deal: I'll make an effort to get your name right (which I had been, but I messed up today!), and in return you can stop calling me snailor :-)
I should call you something unique, you know!
Is this trivial, or was I wrong?
(I have to ask now.)
It's not trivial.
Anonymous
It was a bad edit.
It's super-trivial.
Anonymous
21:28
Triviality aside, it doesn't improve the post in any way
@MARamezani Hot damn, you had me worried there! ;P
Thanks guys ;P
@Iplodman Common d00d! I rejected that myself!
Ahahah xD
I'm starting to think the guy's only looking for rep.
Not helping.
Yeah, I think so ;P
(Thought the sarcasm tags unnecessary, sorry ;P)
21:31
Wait... a <sarcasm> tag "sarcasm"s the HTML or is it something related to JS?
Nope, I was joking ;P
Hey I was joking too!
Does nerdiness sound serious?
The programmer (90% of my body content) took you seriously ;)
Anonymous
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A: Go Down In History

Darius Miliauskasgo down in history is an idiomatic expression, so any clause can be used after it. I found some examples of using it with the "as-clause" in the BNC (British National Corpus), so, it is correct and completely acceptable: Or shall I go down in history as the High Queen who lost Tara for alw...

@snailboat BTW you didn't recommend anything I could use instead of "snailor", snailor.
Anonymous
21:34
> She has gone down in history with this quote when she spotted.
Anonymous
Really? When she spotted?
Anonymous
@MARamezani Oh, well, you can do as you like
Anonymous
I'll make an effort to get your name right regardless :-)
Snailor at least his answer isn't a bare and raw sentence.
"The present perfect because the subject looked back on actions in the past from the present." sounds like a strange reason for choosing the present perfect for me. If we have to use the present perfect when someone is looking back on something that happened in the past, then what's the past simple for? — Damkerng T. 8 secs ago
21:35
@snailboat Haha you give up!
@snailboat Don't be angry, I'll find an alternative, but my mind is too tired to do it now!
Anonymous
I'm not angry
Aha yeah. Furious. :)
I meant furious.
Anonymous
Check out 302.4 in one of my old answers: ell.stackexchange.com/a/26832/3281. Because the right auxiliary verb for "belong" is "do", you'd want to use "So do I," in this case. — Damkerng T. 7 hours ago
Way to go robot!
Ah, they edited it!
Maybe I should remove my comment in that answer.
21:39
Dang they sound like a teacher trying to "get rid of" the student's question!
Anonymous
@MARamezani I have lots of nicknames, but I can't tell you any of them because you want something unique! :-)
@snailboat I thought you were going to discuss that comment. :-)
At least we're at some point of understanding now.
Anonymous
I was, but then I lost my train of thought
Who said that sentence?
21:41
Aww
Anonymous
@MARamezani Is this a quiz?
Just asking... I think it was a politician that said that.
Anonymous
I have no idea
BTW, who is the rorschach watchman?
I feel too lazy and sleepy to read the wikipedia article.
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A: Difference between "there is" and "there are"

Darius MiliauskasHere is the case of inversion, when the verb is corresponded with the subject of the sentence. There is a plethora of books. is correct since plethora is in singular, and the choice between there is and there are depends on the number of the subjct it appears after.

That answer reminds me of many other bad answers we have.
21:55
It can't be a co-incidence that they're all by the same author ;P
It's not. It's just because the same author has touched almost all the questions modified within the last hour or two.
> @Ipodman, upvote my answer. :-) – Darius Miliauskas
Blank stare
@Iplodman WHERE IS THAT COMMENT?!
I'm actually hacked off at that ;-;
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A: Proper word for "understood" to express empathy

IplodmanGoogle suggests many, as well as a few of my own: Clear Comprehensible Transparent (Although this is usually said as an insult to an individual who has a plan, so I wouldn't recommend it) Distinct Concise Although these are all options, yours fits the bill just fine, if not a little formal. F...

I'm not particularly inclined to up-vote an answer, of not particularly high quality, as per request of the author.
Shall I invite him in here?
@Iplodman For god's sake, are you kidding me?!
You can call them here.
Cuz I'll go to sleep in some minutes.
Why not? But I don't know how long I'll stay. How long I'll stay is not related to them being here or not, though.
It's already 11 in Frankfurt!
11? Fancy ;P
It's 10PM over here.
It's 1:30 a.m. here.
22:01
@Iplodman How many timezones do you have there? Just one, right?
I'm at GMT+00 if that's what you're asking.
Is it just me, or is his edit comment a kick in the stomach?
> The sentences should have the point at the end. Basic grammar.
Ahh... And with DST?
I always go easy on others' insults.
I'm not aware of DST. ;P
22:03
What is it? c:
Daylight Saving Time
Ah, never heard of it ;P
@Iplodman :O
Is that possible?!
Oh, British Summer Time could be something more relevant there.
So, are you British?
22:04
Guys, I apologize for not being a timelord ;d
Oh, never mind.
I am c:
@Iplodman :D
C programming language, I take?
22:05
Or C directory?
:)
@Iplodman No, me. :)
;P
I get it ;D
LOL!
These two questions are gonna get closed as each other's dups:
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Q: Which way is more natural on phrasal verbs?

user10222many answers have been up about phrasal verbs and i've seen most of it, and were of very useful answers So,i know how the most of pieces(prepositions) are being used. And fairly got used to idioms by reading much of books I just want to get opinions about how natives accept these kinds of se...

Oh, no!
and
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Q: Which way is more natural on Phrasal structures

user10222So many answers has been up about phrasal verbs and i've seen most of it, and it was of useful information And I know how the most of pieces (prepositions) are being used. And fairly got used to idioms by reading much of books I just want to know which way would be more natural while reading?...

Both are VTC'd as duplicate.... :D
Apparently, phrasal verbs and Phrasal structures are the same in their mind.
22:10
Robot take a look at the close votes review!
Anonymous
@Iplodman Er.
@snailboat He just made a suggested edit.
The comment annoyed me ;-;
BTW, they're here!
Hello @DariusMiliauskas!
Hey! :)
Glad you can talk.
You might like to take a moment to read through our chat here.
Maybe they're reading the script.
22:14
Though I agree with that particular edit, I wish the edit comment would've been phrased differently.
@MARamezani Seems reasonable.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. The periods don't really hurt anything
Hello. I do not understand why the attempts to edit make somebody so critical.
Hi!
Who? Me?
Hi! Well, the first edit you made was generally received as not needed, and an attempt to get more rep on your part.
22:17
(lining up defense)
@DariusMiliauskas How many attempts have you made today?
(For the record, I'm always happy to receive criticism!)
Anonymous
@DariusMiliauskas It's okay. I think most of your edits were helpful
Anonymous
Someone outside is singing The Star-Spangled Banner
Oh, what time is it there?
Anonymous
22:18
15:17
Hmm... not NFL, probably NBA?
Anonymous
What?
Anonymous
Hmm.
If I am wasting my time trying to make to look the site more perfect, then, please, say it, I will used it more profitable.
Anonymous
It hadn't occurred to me that it might have anything to do with sports.
22:20
The second was good, and I made a mistake rejecting it. I think your comment was rather crude.
@snailboat Oh, it usually comes with sports for me!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. There's a school across the street
Oh, I remember that now!
Anonymous
The students there are too young to be members of the NFL or NBA
Anonymous
Unless we're counting the National Forensic League :-)
22:20
@DariusMiliauskas Really trivial and "no-improvement-whatsoever" edits are more trouble than making the site better.
@DariusMiliauskas Edits are always welcome, don't think that they're not! I think that your perspective could do with some working on, though.
Though in ELL, formatting edits are no longer, trivial.
@snailboat Some event at the school? :P
Anonymous
Doesn't seem to be
Anonymous
Just someone singing :-)
22:21
I don't get this: Is rorschach watchman real, or just a comic?
Anonymous
@MARamezani There's a comic book character named Rorschach. He's named after the Rorschach test, which is in turn named after a real person named Hermann Rorschach
Formatting edits are also important since some people like me like to see some order while reading the posts.
@snailboat I get it: Water cycle.
Anonymous
@MARamezani Water cycle?
@DariusMiliauskas I agree entirely, but some of the edits you made were rather trivial, and didn't aid in formatting.
22:24
@snailboat In these situations I usually say: Get the pun for yourself young man!
(Formatting is important to me, too-- it's the main reason I taught myself LaTeX.)
But you aren't a young man!
Anonymous
@MARamezani Sure, but please don't call me "young man" :-)
@DariusMiliauskas If you asked me, I'd say we need more good answers even more than good edits.
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Anonymous
We don't get enough edits for it to matter much on ELL.
22:25
Definitely agree.
Anonymous
Any edit that improves a post even a little bit should probably be approved.
Anonymous
I do think that the get edit should have been rejected
As result there are not so many ansers.
Anonymous
The edit was mistaken.
Anonymous
But I think it was intended to be a good edit :-)
Anonymous
22:26
Let's all assume good faith here.
Where? In the chat?
@snailboat On that note, how can I revise @DariusMiliauskas' second edit (which fixed my Grammar?)
I'd like to accept it.
Anonymous
This has been updated and now includes "assume good intentions"
Anonymous
@Iplodman I'm jealous. I only have lower case grammar.
22:27
Oh, I haven't seen that page. So, "Don't be a jerk" is part of "Be nice"!
Oh, yeah, I assume everyone has good intentions.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. It's really the essence of "be nice"
@snailboat "Lower case grammar"? ;P
What does all of this remind me of?
Anonymous
@Iplodman Well, you have Grammar. I only have grammar.
22:28
Dammit!
@snailboat That was a nice one!
Everybody has good intentions here. (y)
I remember J.R. wrote something about short (or not so short!) answers. I can't remember where it is.
Anonymous
I don't know, but as I understand it, J.R. is not in favor of short answers
Must be somewhere on our meta site.
22:31
I would like to receive the edits on my post too in the case I type something incorrectly.
That sounds fair enough!
Anonymous
There's this:
Anonymous
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Q: Submitting Answers that merely answer the question

J.R.Lately I've noticed quite a few answers that provide an answer to the O.P.'s question, but provide no supporting information. Sometimes, comments are left, asking for more information; other times, these answers have been flagged by users, and the mod team has converted some of these answers in...

That does sound fair, but in your first edit a lot of what you changed wasn't incorrect c:
@snailboat Ahh... Thanks!
22:33
The bigger problem could be that I noticed so many people come here just to ask one question (their reputation is 1), but maybe I am wrong.
@DariusMiliauskas FYI, we need answers that are supported by facts, maybe dictionaries, maybe [good] grammar books etc.
Anonymous
@DariusMiliauskas That's okay
Anonymous
People can ask just one question. Nothing wrong with that :-)
@DariusMiliauskas That's everywhere in SE.
@snailboat Yeah! Lots of people are only interested in one slither of a subject, and that's fine by me.
22:34
It looks like a spam a bit. But you, guys, are right, it is ok.
It is wrong to prejudge others.
Well, I'm glad that we could clear some things up!
Anonymous
@MARamezani Above all, we need answers that are correct
@snailboat Indeed, but that wasn't the case here (I hope)
Anonymous
Wasn't the case where?
@DariusMiliauskas Oh, by the way, I remember I've seen one of your answers today that looks potentially like a case of plagiarism.
22:36
The one is with when/while?
I think you had no such intention, and probably didn't know about our citing conduct.
@DariusMiliauskas Ah, yes.
I don't have a link to citing guidelines at hand right now, but the basic idea is we should always cite our sources.
I wished we could solve all of the probs with problematic posts this way.
I think I made two posts without giving the source.
@MARamezani Via conversation?
Maybe we should call ourselves: The heroes (or heroines) of the chat
22:39
I will correct it.
@Iplodman More precisely: Via chat.
@MARamezani Ah, right!
@DariusMiliauskas Thanks!
Notice "the" before "chat".
Anonymous
What should we notice about it?
22:40
@MARamezani #ChatHeroes
@snailboat Nothing...it just... it just... looks epic. :)
Oh, word of the day: Shiv.
At least that's the word I learned today.
As in the knife?
Anonymous
Have you been watching prison movies?
No, reading...
...and reading...
and reading.
Anonymous
Reading prison movies? :-)
22:42
;D
Related: shank.
Both Lamb and knife versions.
sigh... Why is a decent power supply so expensive?
Scratch that. Why is anything decent so expensive!?
2:18 a.m. I think I'll go to sleep. Bye guys!
Night!
22:48
Good night!
Have a good sleep!
Oh, and before sleeping, I recommend you bring some popcorn and take a look at this:
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Q: Formatting Sandbox--please test stuff here

ManishEarthWhat the title says. Use this for testing stuff instead of bumping random posts to the mainspace a million times.

It's unfair! LaTeX doesn't work on ELL.
23:06
LaTeX is awesome c:
But then again, there's no requirement for it on ELL ;P
Alright, I'm off. Night!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I think it's just regular TeX
@snailboat @snailboat Do they also say "petrol" and "rubbish"? ;)
Anonymous
@BenKovitz No, I'm fairly certain it doesn't come from imitating British English
Anonymous
People say it, it's just less frequent.
@snailboat Yeah, I'm just kidding. I'm pretty sure that I also say "amongst", but only in pretty unusual circumstances.
Anonymous
23:11
(Significantly less frequent.)
Although, I do think that if an American says "amongst" a lot, it comes off sounding like a British affectation.
More so with "whilst".
Anonymous
To be fair, among is more common than amongst in British English, too
Ah, that might further explain the slightly (I can't think of the word) tone of "amongst" if used anywhere you might say "among".
@snailboat Changing the subject completely… I know you said you've never gotten into poetry, but do you know if any common forms of Japanese poetry have structure defined by patterns of vowel or syllable length?
Anonymous
23:20
@BenKovitz Yes
Anonymous
Mora rather than syllable, though.
Anonymous
I feel almost certain you already know the answer to your own question. Everyone's familiar with haiku, I think?
I just looked at the Wikipedia article, and a quick search didn't turn up anything about vowel or syllable length.
Anonymous
Japanese like rhythms of 4 and 8 morae
Anonymous
Haiku, for example, are three lines: 5 morae, 7 morae, then 5 morae again.
Anonymous
23:22
And this is placed into groups of 8 morae, so it's like:
I usually hear the English version of haiku, which are in terms of syllables.
Anonymous
■■■■■□□□
■■■■■■■□
■■■■■□□□
Anonymous
Or:
Anonymous
■■■■■□□□
□■■■■■■■
■■■■■□□□
What do the dark and light squares mean?
Anonymous
23:22
Dah dah dah dah dah (rest rest rest)
Anonymous
Dah dah dah dah dah dah dah (rest)
Ah, rests.
Anonymous
Dah dah dah dah dah (rest rest rest)
Anonymous
Japanese has short and long syllables.
What happens at the 4th and 8th morae?
Anonymous
23:23
A short syllable is one mora, and a long syllable is two.
Anonymous
@BenKovitz I'm not sure I understand the question
If something repeats every 4 or 8 morae, what is that something? For example, is there supposed to be a stress every 4 (or 8) morae, or should every 4th (or 8th) mora coincide with the start of a word?
Anonymous
There's no stress
Anonymous
Japanese is not a stress language
Ohhhh.
Anonymous
23:25
It's mora-timed
Well, some mora-timed languages also have stress. I didn't know that Japanese doesn't have stress at all.
Anonymous
Psychologically, it's perceived as rhythmic, consisting of beats of equal length
So, what happens at every 4th or 8th mora, to make it sound like poetry?
Anonymous
If you actually measure it they're not actually equal, but then, there's no such thing as a truly isochronous language to begin with
Anonymous
@BenKovitz Are you looking for something like stress, rhyme, etc.?
Anonymous
23:26
'Cause there isn't any.
Well, sure, I wouldn't expect anything biological to be perfectly rigid. Biology is all about adaptation, eh? :)
I'm looking for whatever it is. The hypothetical answers I mentioned were just to clarify the question.
In other words, whether it's poetry or not, the 4th and the 8th morae are going to come anyway. How, in poetry, are the 4th and 8th morae treated specially?
Anonymous
I don't know, maybe it doesn't meet the definition of whatever you were looking for
Anonymous
Nothing special happens on the 4th and 8th morae to make it sound like poetry
I'm only asking for what you meant when you said that Japanese like rhythms of 4 and 8 morae. What makes something a rhythm of 4 or 8 morae?
Anonymous
You speak for 5 beats, then you wait for 3; you speak for 7 beats, then you wait for 1
Anonymous
23:37
The 5-7-5 fits into a frame of 8-8-8
Ah, so the requirement for the 8th mora is that a new line begins there?
23:50
@snailboat I have to run right now, but I'll be back later…

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