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MARamezani

21:01

Say it! Damkerng it's really important for me that some people think I actually like those "humans". I must know what you think of me to be!

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani I think people in other regions don't really know what's really going on in that part of the world.

MARamezani

Ah, that's very true!

Alex

At first opposition could control Syria, but Iran did not want to lose its control in that section, then help asad and made opposition weaker. After that ISIS was born.

MARamezani

So-called Muslims are slaughtering Muslims, aren't they?

@Alex So you think ISIS is cooperating with Asad, or is it against him?

Alex

against

MARamezani

21:05

So, simply saying that Asad wasn't brought down and that lead to ISIS isn't enough reasoning.

Alex

but now they changed their way into Iraq,

MARamezani

Oh, @Alex their intention is to revive,

their intention is to revive Muaviee's governing.

@DamkerngT. This is of interesting historical value. You might wanna listen.

Damkerng T.

nods -- I switched my role to listener already. :-)

MARamezani

Muaviee (I really don't know the spelling in English) is the guy that governed the Islamic territory almost 1400 years ago.

Alex

maybe, but the end ISIS will hurt Iran and Syria

MARamezani

21:08

Hah, @Alex they certainly will have trouble getting to Iran! It's more secure than you think in here!

It's highly incomparable with Iraq and Syria.

As I was saying, ISIS had the intention to get Syria and Iraq, because it had it from the beginning to revive Muaviee's government.

About security, (I don't know if US lets this news out of Iran), you should know that Tabriz is considered one of the safest cities in the world.

Alex

sometime in summer or later ISIS was near the border of iran when Kobani was in blockade, Iran's forces were in the border of Iraq.

MARamezani

Oh, that wasn't in summer.

It was recent.

I still don't get how that means that they entered Iran's borders.

Iran's security forces are forceless (literally) out of Iran.

Alex

I was not say they enter Iran's borders, the was near it.

they was near it

MARamezani

So we couldn't have done anything about that, but to show off our border security, and we did.

Alex

When ISIS want to send its forces to Europ then maybe it can do it for Iran also!

MARamezani

21:17

What?!!!!???!

That was random.

Those people were French.

No Iranian is in ISIS, I'm pretty sure.

Btw, recently Tabriz isn't that safe.

Alex

I said its plan to send forces to

there

MARamezani

There are no proofs of such plan, and

Alex

french?!!

MARamezani

Yes!

Alex

yes not proof but for Iran maybe because hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/brokenupiraq.jpg

MARamezani

21:21

That was why they could pass the security in the airports.

Oh, that's a really old concept.

The lunatics that believed in it

were either killed or fled from Iran after the Iran-Iraq war.

And they aren't related to ISIS at all.

Alex

maybe it was lunatics, but you're not inside of ISIS and you donot know its plan for Iran!

MARamezani

What plan can they have? Kill, slaughter, *&$# etc. :)

Alex

what you think abou it?

MARamezani

The point is, getting into Iran is never that easy.

It's like getting to Thailand for example. (@DamkerngT. ;)

Damkerng T.

Hah!

Alex

21:27

the world could not do any important action opposite of ISIS until now, but you think Iran is more stronger than the world?

MARamezani

We aren't as secure as for example US, I agree, but for a group of terrorists it isn't that easy to get to Iran as is it about Iraq, and such.

Alex

If so, you're winner

MARamezani

The world doesn't want action against ISIS.

Alex

but I think Iran can do it by its people taxes and its oil!

MARamezani

Oil's price is reduced recently, by these Arabs that don't like Iran.

Alex

21:31

It's not related only iran and arab issues

MARamezani

@Alex an interesting fact is that no country in the world is as experienced as us about dealing with terrorists.

@Alex it is!

Because America said so!

Saudi Arabia is giving away free (almost) oil.

That's not beneficial for them at all,

unless,

Alex

Iran also help different terrorists group in different sections,

MARamezani

they'll gain America's trust.

@Alex Example?

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Q: which led to police issue an Amber Alert

Budd, 43, is wanted in connection with the death of Justin Bird, 17, and the abduction of his ex-spouse's 17-year-old daughter, which led to police issue an Amber Alert for the girl yesterday. (Jonas Budd, suspect in abduction and fatal shooting, located in Saskatchewan - CBC news Feb.19 2...

grammaticality-in-context

I love typos!

Alex

reducing oil price is not useful for US, because extraction oil will be non-economic for US companies.

MARamezani

They'll be able to benefit from numerous other sources.

Alex

21:36

example: Bahrain-Yemen-Argentina

MARamezani

But oil is Iran's main source of gaining money.

Alex

It could be not main source

Iran itself wants it

MARamezani

It is.

Alex

does no like to join WTO

MARamezani

You might wanna go and check some sources.

Alex

21:38

Dose not like Copyrights

MARamezani

Give me a minute.

Alex

likes boycott like North Korea,

likes nuclear bomb

MARamezani

We didn't choose to have sanctions, you know!

Alex

maybe

MARamezani

I don't know if we have nuclear bomb or not.

But when Israel has, why not us?

When Pakistan has, why not us?

Alex

21:43

Then it's good reason for having nu booms?

MARamezani

When India has, why not us? (No offence MFI)

That's how we can protect ourselves.

Israel is our enemy.

Which law declares that our enemy must have a weapon, but not us?

I'm tired of these governmental fights.

Why can't everyone live at peace?

Alex

why you do not want to be in economy in first place because US or China is.

MARamezani

Who says we don't?!

Alex

why you only want un boombs

really? you are at first place?

MARamezani

But China or US don't have a world to encounter.

I said "we don't" as we "want", not "we are."

I know you and I aren't sheep.

I said "we don't" as we "want", not "we are."

:)

Alex

21:50

Iran has a world in front of it to access un bombs and economy in first place. then it will gain both of them in the future, I hope

MARamezani

Thanks.

@DamkerngT. say something!

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Peace!

MARamezani

Of mind, or what?

Damkerng T.

I don't know why but peace sounds like a nice thing to say. :-)

MARamezani

Though I loved the debate with Alex.

Peace...peace...peace...peace...peace...peace...peace...peace...peace...peace...‌peace...peace...peace...peace...peace...peace.... Yeah you're right!

Damkerng T.

21:55

:D

Alex

I'm here for the first time

MARamezani

Do you see any "notable" questions on ELL today?

Alex

and don't know here rules

MARamezani

There are no rules!

Am I right Damkerng?

Alex

It was so challenging to debate with you

MARamezani

21:57

Thank you!

Damkerng T.

There's nothing much about our rules here. Just be nice, and our room topic is: A room to talk about English, linguistics, or anything you want!

So, anything you want is qualified. :D

Alex

my language is not well then I can not say my sentences well

Damkerng T.

@Alex You seem to be able to get meaning across quite well.

MARamezani

@Alex You know, common media tells you one thing, while the truth is else. I'm not saying we have a clean common media here too!

Alex

I want to say something but it is too hard to say correctly.

Damkerng T.

21:59

That's the most important thing about language, if you asked me.

MARamezani

Don't worry much about that for now!

Btw, where are you from, Alex?

Alex

Thanks both of you

MARamezani

The point is, I got what you meant.

Alex

I'm from Finland

Damkerng T.

I'm a little bit busy. Please forgive me if I'm not as talkative as I normally am. :-)

Alex

22:01

thanks again form both of you

MARamezani

I'd say, that chat is a room we get to know each other.

Damkerng T.

@Alex You're welcome! And don't worry, anyway. :-)

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. You usually say lol, at least to my posts. :)

Alex

thanks

Damkerng T.

lol

:D

MARamezani

22:02

Maybe you aren't in a good mood today.

Damkerng T.

Not that. I'm just busy. Really.

Alex

it was really a Rally

I enjoy it

You are here every night?

MARamezani

Yeah. Tomorrow you guys are gonna see my account suspended for "stupid talking".

:)

Hi @Mohammad!

Damkerng T.

I'm usually here whenever I'm available.

MARamezani

@Alex when we feel like it, really.

Alex

22:04

ok, I have to go to watching Breaking Bad :)

Damkerng T.

Ah, that's a nice series! Enjoy the show!

MARamezani

Fun fact guys: Fridays are the "off" days in Iran.

Tomorrow is something like a saturday to me.

Alex

The world bless both of you:)

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Oh, that's new!

@Alex Thanks!

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. So you're off on Saturdays, too?

@Alex thanks!

Damkerng T.

22:06

Isn't it typical? I mean, Saturday and Sunday as our weekend.

MARamezani

Not here!

I miss @snailboat!

And her cute snail!

Where is she to teach us some grammar and not let us go off-topic?

Wait, it's a she, right?

Damkerng T.

Yes, she's female. :-)

MARamezani

What is Alex doing?!

I figured.

Damkerng T.

Watching TV, I think.

MARamezani

You know, I first thought Colleen was a male!

Damkerng T.

22:10

Hah!

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. No! I meant his coming and going!

Damkerng T.

Colleen sounds like a female name to me.

MARamezani

That wasn't true about me!

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Trying out our chat room, perhaps.

MARamezani

Making sure Jeff (Atwood) knows what he's doing!

I wonder, what will happen if I give you "contact info".

@DamkerngT. Are you still there?

I had one final question before I go to sleep.

Mohammad

22:22

@MARamezani Hi

MARamezani

Hi @Mohammad!

Mohammad

@MARamezani how do you do ?

MARamezani

A bit sleepy, but I'm fine, thanks.

Damkerng T.

I'm back!

MARamezani

So that robot sound was you!

Damkerng T.

22:24

Whirrr!

MARamezani

As you were in ELL in early times,

can you tell me that

why have the references moved to meta?

Damkerng T.

References?

MARamezani

Language blah blah studying site recommendations.

Damkerng T.

Oh, you mean those resources, I think.

It had been on the meta site before I joined ELL, iirc.

MARamezani

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Q: A couple of questions about the tags we use and questions we ask

This is a recent question asked, and though there's no talk about references in it, we can agree on the fact that new questions like it can rise, that are requesting for reliable English sources. My questions are, Should the reference-request kind of question be allowed in ELL? I'm talking ab...

discussion tags tagging

Damkerng T.

22:27

I think the main reason is that we aren't supposed to ask for learning resources on ELL.

MARamezani

I had no idea such thing would be in meta.

Not many will.

Mohammad

@MARamezani where are you from ?

Damkerng T.

The way I understand SE, it strives for answerable questions.

MARamezani

Iran.

Mohammad

Aha

Nice

Damkerng T.

22:29

(Where good answers are supposed to be definitive or something close.)

MARamezani

It's a catch-22.

Mohammad

I am lebanees

MARamezani

If you put it on the main site, it's SE rules violating, and if you leave it in the meta, not many will go for it, literally.

@Mohammad Good!

I have someone for, in the debates from now on!

I guess.

Mohammad

Guys I need your help, I do not know what the exact meaning for "disclaimer" and how to use it ?

MARamezani

You've come to the right place!

Damkerng T.

22:32

> Disclaimer: [whatever]

= I will not take any responsibilities for that [whatever].

Mohammad

is it mean "whatever"

MARamezani

Disclaimer is something that tells you what you can do, legally.

Copyright and stuff.

Ah, Damkerng I remember Hellion's profile's about me.

It was "things and stuff".

Damkerng T.

It's not what you can do. It's more like it's about what you don't want to be responsible for.

Mohammad

could you give me an example please ?

MARamezani

I stand corrected.

Damkerng T.

22:34

Who do you mean by you, then? The writer or the reader?

MARamezani

No, writer!

I'm too sleepy!

Damkerng T.

From the reader's point of view, any disclaimer doesn't limit what you can do.

From the writer's point of view, any disclaimer doesn't limit what you can do, either.

MARamezani

An example could lighten @Mohammad up.

Damkerng T.

Find me one. It shouldn't be too difficult to find one. I'm too lazy to find one at the moment.

(See, that's why I refrained myself to talk anything much when I was busy.)

MARamezani

>The data displayed in the public data search feature of Google Search is provided by the third party indicated as the data source. Google does not create this data, vouch for its accuracy, or guarantee that it is the most recent data available from the data provider. For many or all of the data, the data is by its nature approximate and will contain some inaccuracies. The data may contain errors introduced by the data provider(s) or by Google. Google uses names of countries and other territories that may differ from those in the original data.

That's Google's.

google.com/help/public_data_disclaimer.html

Damkerng T.

22:38

Where is the word "disclaimer" supposed to be?

Preceding the whole section, I presume.

MARamezani

See, @Mohammad in it Google says "I'm not responsible for the crap site you're finding in the Net!"

Mohammad

@MARamezani great, thanks a lot

Damkerng T.

Which is not about what anyone can or cannot do, legally.

MARamezani

Damkerng that was a side effect of sleepiness.

:)

Damkerng T.

I see. :-)

MARamezani

22:40

I mixed the thing with copyright.

Normal for an Iranian, though.

Damkerng T.

The problem is when your understanding is close but not quite, it could be harmful.

MARamezani

I can tell you that we have no definitions of both.

Damkerng T.

(Maybe not that harmful. Harmful is perhaps too strong a word.)

MARamezani

Hurtful.

Damkerng T.

lol

MARamezani

22:41

To years of language-learning rep.

Apparently, chemists are much less talkative.

I'm an exception.

Damkerng T.

Oh! -- Oh! :-)

MARamezani

Periodic table (chemistry.SE's chat) is now like a desert.

I've asked a question,

and that has remained for a day in there!

You're too talkative for a robot too!

I think I'm going to sleep. Bye @DamkerngT.!

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