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19:00
I think オッケー sounds cuter :)
Anonymous
I think オッケー might be a little more informal, like そっか versus そうか
Anonymous
I don't know :-)
Anonymous
Sometimes gemination has that effect
Anonymous
Dictionaries list オーケー as the basic form
Anonymous
But it's an informal word to begin with
19:02
Is そうか a question or a statement? or both?
Anonymous
か is a question marker.
But it's used almost like a statement.
そうか is usually rhetorical I think.
Anonymous
It can be used as a rhetorical question.
From my anime experience :P
Anonymous
19:03
But it's still a question.
@Fantasier I believe we share a similar kind of experience. :P
Anonymous
I don't know. It never occurred to me to think that rhetorical questions might not be called questions
Anonymous
Japanese has lots of rhetorical questions.
Let me see if I got it right...
そうか = "Is that so?"
Anonymous
Yeah, more or less.
19:05
How should we say "It's so!", then?
aso?
あそう
Anonymous
Um, lots of ways, depending on context :-) 「そうだ」「そうよ」「そうなのよ」「そうさ」 etc.
Hmm...
Oh, I've heard そうだ
Anonymous
Even plain ol' そう!
And そうよ, and そうなのよ; but not そうさ
Anonymous
19:08
There are lots of related collocations, like それはそうだけど "That is so, [but...]"
Anonymous
Well, you can stick any number of 助詞 or 助動詞 after そう, like そうさな or そうだよね or そうなんだけどさ
Anonymous
It's hard to talk about them isolated out of context
Oh, I think sometimes they say it twice, そうそう.
Anonymous
Yep! :-)
Anonymous
Dee is asleep on top of Snaily's shell
Anonymous
19:11
@DamkerngT. You wouldn't normally put a space there
Oh, is Dee still smaller than Snaily?
@snailboat Like that?
そうだよね and そうなんだけどさ are quite common I guess.
At least in anime :P
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Uh huh, they're both adults, so they won't grow anymore. Dee is smaller :-)
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. You even hear そうそうそう on occasion :-)
Oh, a hat-trick!
Anonymous
19:13
That's right!
Anonymous
I see corpus results for そうそうそうそうそうそうそう
It took me a while to read those without any help, although I can remember all Hiraganas now.
Anonymous
Yay!
Hooray!
(I still can't do that, though.)
But I recognize a few of them.
Anonymous
19:15
I learned to read kana before I knew any Japanese.
The easy ones. :)
The first one I recognised is ん :P
Anonymous
そう is pronounced /soː/
Anonymous
@Fantasier I always thought it looked like English n
@snailboat Me too.
19:16
It looks like a human (人).
Anonymous
Well, I should call it Latin n
Here is how I remembered ra ri ru re ro [weird 5] [ri] [weird 3] [re] [3]
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. It's considered a reduced form of 无 mu, which is an alternative to 無 mu "nothing, void, not, un-"
Anonymous
And the Japanese /N/ is thought to be reduced from /mu/
Anonymous
19:19
For a long time, it was written with the kana for mu
Isn't it strange that I can remember the shape of mo? :)
Anonymous
も! I like that one
Anonymous
I write it as only two strokes (I connect the two horizontal lines, so it looks something like a 'z' crossing し)
I can't remember it now, but I think I've seen they draw faces in kana. :D
も is definitely for the nose.
Anonymous
That is called へのへのもへじ
Anonymous
19:20
You see it a lot in manga :-)
Oh, they have a word for it!
Anonymous
へのへのもへじ は、「へ・の・へ・の・も・へ・じ」の7つのひらがなのみを使い人の顔を模した図柄を描く文字遊び(文字絵)である。「へへののもへじ」とも言う。 概要 最初と2番目の「へ」が両の眉を、2つの「の」が両目を、「も」が鼻を、3番目の「へ」が口を、「じ」が顔の輪郭をそれぞれ表している。 典型的なかかしの顔としてよく使われる。また黒板やノートなどの落書きにも使われ漫画、とくにギャグ漫画においては、登場人物の顔が一時的にへのへのもへじになるなどの表現も使われる。 同様の文字の組み合わせとして「へのへのもへの」、「へめへめくつじ」、「へめへめしこじ」、「へねへねしこし」「しにしにしにん」(1, 2のしは横に、んはケツあご風に)になどがある。 また、「つるニハ○○ムし」(つるにはまるまるむし)というものもあり、「つ」がハゲ頭、「る」が耳、「ニ」が額のしわ、「ハ」が両眉毛、「○○」が両目、「ム」が鼻、「し」が顔の輪郭をそれぞれ表し(口はない)、全体で老人の顔になる。また「二」を「三」に変えて「つる三は○○むし」とも。 歴史 正確な起源は定かではない。しかし江戸時代の初期には見受けられないが、中期以降には常識化したごとく流布していることから発祥起源はこれ以前の京都、大阪などの上方だと推測されている。 元々は「へのへのもへの」のようなものであり「へのへのもへまる」や「への...
LOL
Thanks!
Now I know why I can remember it!
Anonymous
As the article indicates, there's some variation
Anonymous
But you see へのへのもへじ a lot.
19:21
@DamkerngT. You might've recognised it from here commuan.com
(Or the song, or whatever :P)
@Fantasier I got a good FF crash. Thanks!
:)
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Yeah, that site is heavy in scriptiness.
Anonymous
SeaMonkey held up.
Anonymous
I do have a very fast computer, although thanks to HTML5 and modern browsers it runs maybe a hundred thousand times more slowly than you'd expect
> Apple announces Swift programming language, for iOS programming.
19:26
It's interesting enough, though.
Anonymous
Does Swift have any interesting aspects?
@Fantasier Hah! Is it a scripting language?
It sounds like one.
@snailboat See, HTML5 can do lots of things! :D
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Unfortunately, yes!
What would happen to Apple in the Post-Jobs era, I'm curious?
Anonymous
I rather liked it when people used Flash. It was walled off and you could choose only to allow it to run in those cases where you wanted it to.
19:28
iPad Air is good enough, though.
Anonymous
These days, you've got the same thing in HTML5+JS.
@snailboat nods
Anonymous
But it's not encapsulated, it's got its tentacles running through everything
Anonymous
So you can't easily pull the plug on it.
Canvas could evolve even further, I think.
Anonymous
19:28
No one cares about graceful failure.
Anonymous
Or indeed about grace.
I think I could make some money by writing a translator that translates programs written in other popular languages into HTML5+JS.
Anonymous
People do that now
It's rather logical, I think.
Maybe Swift is one of them.
Hmm, it's a scripting language. Some people in my feed say Swift looks like Ruby.
Anonymous
19:32
Oh.
Not really anything interesting yet... except this
let 🐶🐮 = "dogcow" seriously!? #swift #wwdc2014 http://t.co/SxjtMXFKUD
Anonymous
That's a dangerous feature.
It could make your code cuter a bit.
Anonymous
Some Japanese and Chinese programmers have found that Unicode identifiers can lead to difficult-to-find bugs
Anonymous
19:34
They seem like a good idea at first. I thought they sounded like a good idea :-)
Anonymous
Of course, this has been around for a long time and isn't specific to Swift
Some programming languages allow anything in names.
Even spaces.
Anonymous
C++14 adds some weird syntax for numbers.
Just make sure that your code won't be injected.
I laughed.
19:37
@snailboat I don't know C++11 yet, but can you give me some examples?
@Fantasier Wow! What a revolution!
Anonymous
It'd be nice if Google decided to handle punctuation someday.
Anonymous
Searching for C++11 was a pain until they changed whatever hardcoded bits on their side they needed to treat it specially, and now C++14 is indexed as "C 14"
> In Swift, you can add underscores between your numbers to make them easier to read, like 1_000_000.
Anonymous
Yeah. Not just underscores.
Anonymous
19:40
And they don't need to be in any particular place, like between thousands.
Anonymous
You can write 1'2
Oh, nice. So, 1,000,000 is a valid number, perhaps?
Anonymous
No, because comma is an operator
Anonymous
1,000,000 is 0
Oh! sad
Anonymous
19:41
@Fantasier Oh, in Swift. I thought we were talking about C++14
@snailboat Ah, C++14 can do that already. I thought this was new :P
@snailboat Will 1'2 become one foot two inches automatically?
Anonymous
Oh! No, underscores were only in the draft.
Anonymous
They decided not to use underscores and went with apostrophes only
I like apostrophes better.
19:42
They could have borrowed drafted ideas, I think.
Anonymous
I don't know, does Swift do anything that other languages don't?
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Well, digit separators aren't a new idea.
Anonymous
They're in Ada, for example.
I haven't really coded in Ada before.
Mmm, I'm not sure if there's anything really new :P
19:44
Btw, from another question on ELL.
> He was more understanding of her than of any of the others.
Anonymous
C++14 also adds binary literals, like a lot of other languages have.
My programming knowledge is pretty limited.
> The sentence is grammatical, and means that he showed understanding of her, but there are other people involved as well, and he does not show as much understanding of them.
Is that what people really say and understand?
Anonymous
I'd read it as "He was more understanding of her than any of the others [were understanding of her]"
Me too
Anonymous
19:46
Not "He was more understanding of her than [he was understanding of] any of the others"
Ahh...
So, "X is more understanding of Y" is typical, then.
Anonymous
Typical? I don't think so
Anonymous
Possible? Sure, I suppose so.
> Values are never implicitly converted to another type. If you need to convert a value to a different type, explicitly make an instance of the desired type.
> let label = "the width is"
> let width = 94
> let widthLabel = label + String(width)
@Fantasier That sounds strange for a scripting language.
19:47
Uh-huh
Anonymous
A lot of people value strong typing.
Hmm... Probably, it's the same in Python.
Anonymous
No
Anonymous
Python has implicit conversion of some types to others.
Python typing is strong enough that I normally avoid implicit conversions.
Anonymous
19:51
You probably do implicit conversions to Boolean :-)
Ha! It's 3 in the morning! I'm going to bed.
See you later!
Anonymous
Rest well!
Ah, see you!
Thanks for the news feed too!
@snailboat Probably. Though not very often, I think.
Depending on which version too.
Anonymous
Well, there are other examples.
Anonymous
Python doesn't have as many implicit conversions, though, as a language like PHP
Anonymous
19:54
Which is a good thing :-)
Actually, I kinda like implicit conversions. :D
Anonymous
They can be handy sometimes.
But I'm okay if the language I use is a strong-typed one.
God!! I am pissed off with Windows 8
Ubuntu I love you
Please come back in my laptop.
19:57
Sir, I am damn pissed.
What did it do?
It is not getting installed.
Saying me one thing: "System is running in low graphics mode"
Windows?
Very likely, it's about drivers.
when I run ubuntu
it says me that error.
Still it's about drivers.
20:01
how to solve it
umm... what happened to the chat room?
I will seriously give u a treat if it gets solved.
:(
What would you see if you run xrandr?
i didn't see that.
Tell me steps so that I could follow.
In a terminal, I mean.
Also, have you already tried this?:
114
Q: How to fix "The system is running in low-graphics mode" error?

jokerdino Note: This is an attempt to create a canonical question that covers all instances of "low-graphics mode" error that occurs to a user, including but not limited to installation of wrong drivers, incorrect or invalid lightdm greeters, low disk space, incorrect installation of graphi...

20:03
I didn't run that.
> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1360 x 768, maximum 1360 x 1024
default connected 1360x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
1360x768 50.0 55.0*
1280x1024 51.0 56.0
1024x768 52.0 62.0 63.0
800x600 53.0 72.0 73.0 74.0 75.0 76.0
640x480 54.0 83.0 84.0 85.0
1280x960 57.0
1152x864 58.0 59.0 60.0 61.0
This link for the part when you have Ubuntu installed.
That is a part of my xrandr output.
so When I will install again, I should write this in terminal?
And you didn't have it because you just reinstalled it?
It looks to me that that thread isn't only about installation.
> This is an attempt to create a canonical question that covers all instances of "low-graphics mode" error that occurs to a user, including but not limited to installation of wrong drivers, incorrect or invalid lightdm greeters, low disk space, incorrect installation of graphics card like ATI and Nvidia, incorrect configuration of xorg.conf file while setting up multiple monitors among others.
The key idea is, have the correct driver, and then config xorg.conf properly.
20:07
ya ya!!
so can you explain me few steps from this?
I can't recall them from the top of my head.
It's not my everyday thing.
Say, what happened when you rebooted?
Wait, did this happen after you installed Windows 8 into another partition to make your notebook dual-boot?
yes
dual boot
sigh
And your Windows 8 works fine.
But not Ubuntu?
exactly.
Windows is pre-installed.
original Windows.
Oh, so Windows 8 was installed first.
Then you installed Ubuntu in another partition.
20:11
yes
I installed ubuntu in another partiiton
How did you install Ubuntu, then?
Especially the partition creation part.
I have divided hard disk into 3 parts
then in second part I sintalled ubuntu.
simple
Uh-huh
nods
No picture posts, please.
It's hard to gather what happened when there are tall pictures in-between.
Who (or what) created the partition you installed Ubuntu to?
20:15
I am tensed.
I have created them
Windows or Ubuntu?
Is it a tough job?
It's can be tricky.
It should be easy for those who do it every day.
no in disk management
just created 2 partiiotns
Windows' Disk Management, right?
20:17
yes
Okay, so you had Windows created this new partition for you...
then you booted your notebook with an Ubuntu ISO DVD...
hmm... what's wrong with the chat room? -- so many retries
:15862561 I'd go with who has.
yes
I booted with USB
bottable.
What did you choose in step 4?
20:21
something else
Was there that option for you, "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows"?
I think no
Eh?
Which version of Ubuntu did you use?
12.04 LTS
I'd recommend you download the latest one, burn it onto a CD/DVD, then reinstall your Ubuntu with that option.
20:24
Why?
I guess that it could make things right for you.
I don't think there is some version problem.
And then, you let Windows 8 control the master boot.
The system is running in low graphics mode. this error?
Usually, when your system doesn't look as good as it should, OS will try to reboot with minimum drivers possible.
20:25
oh!
This usually excludes your great graphics driver, so you will get a low-graphics mode.
but my laptop is completely new.
but why in ubuntu?
I think your two OS's are stepping on each other toes now.
not in windows?
They could compete to write the master boot record.
Ubuntu could expect that it should be the owner of the boot record.
Then, your Windows 8 overwrote it.
20:27
I am using Windows 8.1 with dedicated graphic card which is AMD Radeon HD 8670M. I am trying to do this in a Dell Laptop 3537 Inspiron.
Ubuntu came up, and saw, oh! it's not mine, probably your system has a problem, better boot in the low-graphics mode.
That's what Ubuntu could think.
Afaik, that option "Install alongside" will take care all necessary configuration issues.
so what should I do
Ya! That was not there.
Reinstall Ubuntu with this option.
Use a newer version of Ubuntu.
will newer version not have this problem?
Internally, things haven't changed much, I think, but that option will take care things that could go wrong if you do them manually.
Just try it first. I'm 80% sure that it will work.
20:31
14.04 ubuntu?
in newer version. do you think that option will come "along side with windows"?
right?
It should, yes.
I will try this thing.
and what about low graphic mode
I think it was a side-effect of configuration problems.
Btw, it's a good idea to back up your Windows 8 first.
But your notebook might probably come with a recovery thing already.
yes
I have made system recovery
Anonymous
21:01
@DamkerngT. What's a word in Thai that's distinguished by p˭ and pʰ?
Anonymous
A minimal pair for aspirated-unaspirated P sounds to establish a phonemic contrast
Almost every one of them.
I will write easy-transcriptions 'cause I'm on iPad.
[pla] ~ fish, [phla] ~ a very spicy dish.
Also keep in mind that each of them comes in five possibilities, depending on the tone (0-4).
[pao] tone1 เป่า ~ blow
Anonymous
How do I write pla and phla in Thai?
Anonymous
Is it hard to type Thai on an iPad?
[phoa] tone1 เผ่า ~ tribe
It's a bit confusing to switch the languages.
Brb in 5 minutes
Anonymous
21:10
Thank you!
Ah... I'm back. :)
The [pla] and [phla] pair isn't good. It has the /l/ sound involved.
I should think simpler.
Maybe we can start with the /a/ vowel, tone 0.
> tone 0: ปา /pa/ ~ throw -- พา /pha/ ~ take, bring
> tone 1: ป่า /pa/ ~ forest -- ผ่า /pha/ ~ split
> tone 2: ป้า /pa/ ~ aunt -- ผ้า /pha/ ~ cloth, clothes
> tone 3: ป๊า /pa/ ~ dad (colloquial, from Chinese) -- พ้า /pha/ (a non-word)
> tone 4: ป๋า /pa/ ~ dad (colloquial, from Chinese, sorta like "big daddy") -- ผา /pha/ ~ cliff
21:27
I saw the earlier conversation. I think answers, no matter how short, should be answers. Comments, no matter how long, should be comments.
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That's what I think.

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