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00:00
oh, never head of it until now hehe
/ˈniːs/ <--- I love this symbol has helped me a lot in how to pronounce something.
Oh, that's true. It's in IPA, I think.
How was Godzilla? (Good or bad, but don't spoil it for me, please. :-)
what is this chat about
It says...
> A room to talk about English, linguistics, or anything you want!
Alright then ^_^
Hello, @Shahar!
00:03
Godzilla was decent from what I've heard
wutup homie :)
Cool!
@Shahar Has anyone ever told you that your avatar looks sort of like Godzilla's eye. :)
Nobody has told me that o_o
I just uploaded a picture of a frog
Oh, is that a frog?
that has a Christmas tree light in its mouth
zooming it up...
Oh, indeed!
00:06
@DamkerngT. I am a Godzilla fan and It was Amazing I loved it!
I will look forward to watching it.
No punctuations and a whole lot of capitals^
Hold on
are you guys from outside the U.S.?
I'm in Bangkok.
You're Thai?
00:08
Is that a picture of a kind of transparent frog or something right?
Or are you just living there temporarily?
I'm Thai.
I have a Thai friend :D
@Welling It's a frog with a Christmas light in its mouth.
00:08
iI'm from Dominican Republic.
@Welling Where are you, again?
Oh, thanks! That's a nice place, from what I've heard.
Anonymous
It's really getting difficult to understand the actual emotions or meaning of a sentence in English. I'm not sure which rule to follow because the sentence is always correct no matter how hard I try to proofread and find a mistake. — Nick_inaw 37 mins ago
I think I met another guy from Dominican Republic in this chat room once.
Anonymous
"All the sentences I read are correct" would be a nice problem to have :-)
Dominican Republic is a popular getaway in the U.S.
00:10
@snailboat Oh, you posted an answer!
haha really?
are you from US @Shahar?
Actually, I've been to the Dominican Republic during a cruise.
Yes^
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I did!
I jumped to your conclusion, and I think I agree with it. :-)
Nice to hear that.
00:11
Alright I have to go
I've been three times in USA
See you guys
see ya.
Have a nice day! See you!
Anonymous
See you, Shahar!
00:13
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A: A comma would be better?

CocoPopI agree with you, I believe it's correct with a comma.

I read this and I'm not sure whether he agreed with the semicolon version or not.
Anonymous
*shrug* :-)
Anonymous
It's somewhat light on exposition.
Are you guys proficient speaking? I mean, not strong accent?
Anonymous
I am a native speaker of English. Nonetheless, I talk a little bit funny.
I think I have an accent.
My accent has a very long name.
It's AmERPFLwTA.
Anonymous
00:15
Silly :-)
haha, @snailboat you said that or people tell you that??
Hehe. :-)
what? @DamkerngT.
Anonymous
@Welling Me, I say so!
@Welling Nothing important. Ignore it. :-)
00:16
haha, ok then
well I know that @snailboat probably speak english everyday, so what about you @DamkerngT. do you use it in daily basis?
In case you might really want to know, it's shorten from "American English Received Pronunciation as a Foreign Language with a Thai Accent".
by the way correct me if im writing something wrong.
@Welling I try to.
Anonymous
@Welling speaks
hahaha, I'm just going to Ignore that. @DamkerngT.
Thanks.
@snailboat
00:18
You made the right choice. :-)
Out of context, but I tried to learn Thai once, it wasn't good.
the only thing I always remember it's how to laugh, 5555 :D
Anonymous
Hehe!
Oh, you know how to laugh in Thai. 555!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Oh, writing!
Anonymous
I have different goals. My goals aren't quite so big, though.
Anonymous
00:21
Let alone big comma big.
@snailboat It's not really my goal. I just think that it seems to be everyone's goal.
@Welling Sawasdee Khrap!
@snailboat I love commas.
I think comma is the reason why I like quotes too.
And, semicolon.
Did you call me names?
@DamkerngT.
hah
I just said "Hello" in Thai. :-)
are you guys students or graduated or unborn?
I remember, you just something else and is Hi for girl right?
Don't tell me that is your name!?
00:24
haha nope.
Welling is my real name
:)
I'm a learner.
I try to improve my English by hanging out around here.
me too, I've never studied english until a year ago, I've been taking english grammar and pronunciation class.
studied english before*
Wow, if you started learning English just one year ago, your English is really good!
Well, not started learning but started taking class.
Before I just was taking the typical highschool english class and what I need in orden to understand a paragraph or something.
nods -- Sooner or later, everyone will need to learn grammar. :-)
Anonymous
00:32
@DamkerngT. Ah, that's the impression I got from what you wrote :-)
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I don't think you can use comma and semicolon like that. If you want to talk about them in general, I think you need to pluralize them.
Anonymous
You could use non-count comma if you made a cake shaped like a giant comma, and then gave someone a slice of comma to eat.
Anonymous
@Welling It's not clear to me what unborn is intended to mean in this context
How about the comma?
Anonymous
That's fine, too. That's a count use.
Anonymous
00:34
So what I should have said is you can't use non-count comma in that way.
Actually, you just used comma and semicolon the way I did. :-)
just a joke, isn't unburn a person who have not born yet?
Anonymous
What?
I was just too lazy to italicize them. :-)
Anonymous
It sounded like you were talking about commas, not about the word comma.
00:35
I thought of comma as a thing, I probably should have quoted it.
I think the comma is quite close to what I thought.
Anonymous
Well, you can only use comma like this if you're talking about the word, not about commas in general
Anonymous
So "the comma" and "comma" are quite different.
No, I didn't think of commas in general.
Anonymous
Then I don't think you can say "the comma"
What I thought of was only one comma. A single one, in a big, big font.
Anonymous
00:37
In any case, your original sentence seems slightly hinky to me with comma
It's not in commas in general. (Commas in general don't look that cute.)
Anonymous
Because it didn't seem like you were talking about the word comma.
Anonymous
It seemed more like you were talking about commas (a comma, the comma, whatever)
What should I use, then?
So I should say "commas" even when I think of only one "comma"?
Anonymous
I don't know, since I'm not sure what you meant anymore!
00:39
Let's say I like fables.
But it wasn't because of fables in general that got me come to like it in the first place.
It was just one specific fable.
So, I think it's odd for me to say, "I love reading because of fables."
Anonymous
But it would also be odd (and ungrammatical) to say "I love reading because of fable."
Because there is one specific fable that made me like fables, and in turn reading in general.
That's why I proposed "the fable".
Now I start to think that "a fable" might work too.
I know that I can get away (from the grammatical point of view) by just saying fables, but that doesn't convey what I really want to say, I think.
Anonymous
The is a pragmatic signal to the listener that they can identify the referent of the so-marked NP, and in this case I cannot constrain it to a specific referent, which means the only option left for me to be able to identify it is taking it as referring to any fable, which means I must take it as a general reference = "the fable" = "fables in general" (what people refer to as the archetypical/prototypical usage)
Anonymous
"A fable" here would identify it as new information, not something I'm expected to identify
Anonymous
So I might reply by asking "Which fable was that?"
00:45
A quick question: When a listener heard a generic the fable, do they and the speaker need to agree upon the same generic fable?
I mean, is it possible that the fable of the speaker and of the listener are different?
Anonymous
My understanding is that technically there is no generic fable. It's really just a non-specific reference to all fables.
Anonymous
Saying that it is a generic fable is a convenient simplification
Okay, what about the average Italian?
Anonymous
Now that's specific, but it's specific to a fictional entity :-)
Hmm... not good. I think I've read from somewhere that we should add person after -ese.
I wanted to use it the same way as this the average Italian. If I used it, would it sound too weird?
(It think it's already weird in any case, because nobody seems to like quotation marks because of commas.)
Anonymous
00:48
I think that it's somewhat idiosyncratic whether a demonym derived with -ese is taken as an adjective, or both an adjective and a noun, and also whether people consider a particular derivation with -ese to be offensive when used as a noun
Anonymous
I tried to come up with a general explanation once but I couldn't, so I decided instead that you'd just have to treat it on a case-by-case basis
Anonymous
It's probably safe to follow -ese with person like you suggest
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I'm afraid I don't understand this sentence
Anonymous
I mean, grammatically it seems fine, but I don't understand the relationship between liking quotation marks and commas
I mean, my thought seems to be weird already by itself.
Grammaticality aside.
A double-quotation looks like a comma, doesn't it? :-)
And a comma in the right font looks cute!
Anonymous
00:51
Sometimes people call them "inverted commas"
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. a right font is unidiomatic, the right font is typically what people would say
Oh, if we turned a comma into the right angle, it could look like a snail too, don't you think? :-)
Anonymous
It's true!
Anonymous
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Anonymous
People seem to associate quotation marks with commas, but I never have. It's possibly because I grew up using computers without left or right quotes, only generic vertical quotes
00:53
The right font is very important!
I prefer one that makes commas look bubble-like. :-)
Anonymous
I just got lost in a Google image search for commas, followed by snails :-)
01:08
Oh, no!
I feel a bit guilty now. :P
But did you find any good images?
Oh, I can't stop myself to ask that!
Oh, tennis girl is Japanese, I think.
> It was the first time we met since we graduated.
How does that sound?
Anonymous
Yes, she is
Anonymous
I think I have a bias toward trying to help Japanese speakers, but I don't know why
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. It sounds okay. I think :-)
Yay!
@snailboat Maybe because of JSE.
:)
Anonymous
01:39
Ahh, I see the question now
Anonymous
I think I might say "It was the first time I'd seen them in twenty years" or "I hadn't seen them in twenty years" or "It'd been a long time since I'd last seen them"
Anonymous
02:43
I answered the question about inversion, too
Anonymous
Fun!
Anonymous
Oh, StoneyB's answer is different!
Anonymous
I'm not planning on changing my answer though--I think there's a difference between positive and negative fronted phrases when it comes to inversion
Anonymous
(Of course, there are other reasons inversion is used besides just fronted negatives!)
Anonymous
03:02
I tried to sum up my thoughts in a comment!
Anonymous
But sadly, now I am out of energy for Englishing for the day.
05:00
What are people's thoughts on How to construct sentences about reunion?
IMO, apart from some correction on using the definite article, everything seems to be opinion, with two of the answers being one-liners. I've VTC...
05:34
Coup? seems like no one cares =b.
05:49
cares about what?
About coup. Apparently.
 
9 hours later…
14:20
@DamkerngT. u there? I need some help on a sentence...
Eh? That's rare, I think. :-)
no no, serious please...
wait, I will fetch the sentence
Alright, what is it?
ok don't laugh now, and don't think I am laughing or in joking mood
> DELETE ME BUT BEFORE THAT MY LAST WISH IS THAT YOU INCREASE MY REPUTATION TO 200k AND LET IT BE SO FOR 1 WEEK. AFTER THAT, YOU CAN DELETE ME.
^ the above sentence, though it seems alright, it lacks errm, some finish, isn't it?
I know it can be made more clear and concise... and more polished. but how?
No. I think it looks fine.
14:23
@DamkerngT. u kidding me?
I think "You can delete me." sounds good as a punch line already.
umm, how do i make it short?
its way too long (IMO)
Remove my last wish is that.
you mean this
> Delete me but before that, increase my reputation to 200k and let it be so for 1 week. After that, you can delete me.
?
And you can replace "and let it be so for" with just one word: for.
You could insert please somewhere in your sentence. At the beginning is fine, before increase is also fine, I think.
14:26
ok
> Delete me but before that, please increase my reputation to 200k for 1 week. After that, you can delete me.
is there any way I can plunge it into one single sentence?
I have an idea, tell me if it is ok:
> Delete me but only after increasing my reputation to 200k for a week.
That is fine, too.
@DamkerngT. it lacks the compelling "please" word now :(
But your original sounds like you really want it more than the rephase. :-)
You can accent it by write Please at the beginning, and add a comma before but.
@DamkerngT. ohh, that seems nice.
> Please, DELETE ME, but only after increasing my reputation to 200k for a week.
now?
14:30
@DamkerngT. umm, ok, any thing sounding weird in this? (nothing, I hope)
Now it sounds like you're really wanting it. :-)
Nope.
@DamkerngT. thank you so much. you are very kind and helpful :)
No problem. :-)
14:31
@DamkerngT. ok, there is another one :)
What is it?
> Description (should have been) closed as not constructive, primarily opinion based, unclear what you are asking, and too broad by Awal Garg♦ Infinite time ago.
^this
Anonymous
@AwalGarg Wishful thinking?
Looks fine to me.
LOL
I wanna squeeze it down too
this as well, is way too long to read
Anonymous
14:33
I think that if you ease off on the capital letters a bit, it'll look a bit more polished.
@AwalGarg I think this one looks fine the way it is.
Anonymous
@AwalGarg Instead of "let it be so", I would write "leave it like that"
@snailboat yeah, I did it afterwards...
@snailboat ok, what about the one that we got after polishing?
4 mins ago, by Awal Garg
> Please, DELETE ME, but only after increasing my reputation to 200k for a week.
Anonymous
That one looks okay.
@DamkerngT. can it not be shortened?
@snailboat ^^ same for you. please help me :)
Anonymous
14:35
@AwalGarg It's not clear to me what "Description (should have been) closed" means
@snailboat thnx, credits to @Damkerng
I think the four reasons are difficult to be shorten further.
@snailboat I will be using it on SO about me thingy...
Anonymous
So, "My description" / "This description"?
@snailboat This description. In general, I mean... its not useful at all
@DamkerngT. can any pair be squeezed in one?
Anonymous
14:37
You can add off-topic.
@snailboat Oh, that would be nice, too.
@snailboat let me try, wait:
> Description (should have been) closed as not constructive, primarily opinion based, unclear what you are asking, off-topic and too broad by Awal Garg♦ Infinite time ago.
now?
Anonymous
My screen is full of highlighted "@snailboat"s!
Mine too!
Anonymous
@AwalGarg Hooray! You have successfully been silly.
14:39
@snailboat oh c'mon, I am not in joking mood...
@AwalGarg Oh, you don't use Oxford Comma.
@DamkerngT. wat's dat?
Anonymous
@AwalGarg Oh, my apologies. You have successfully been deadly serious!
A comma before and.
> Description (should have been) closed as not constructive, primarily opinion based, unclear what you are asking, off-topic, and too broad by Awal Garg♦ Infinite time ago.
@DamkerngT. nice point, edited
Anonymous
14:41
@AwalGarg The comma is fine. It was also fine without the comma. It's optional.
@snailboat so should I remove it?
Anonymous
No, the other kind of optional.
@snailboat ohh, ok...
I mentioned that because you used it earlier.
14:42
@snailboat so, what were you saying about "this" or "that"?
@DamkerngT. yeah, right
Anonymous
@AwalGarg That was when I was trying to understand what your message meant.
Anonymous
I understand now.
@snailboat then, apparently, its not clear at first sight at-least, isn't it?
This is for Math.SE, right?
Anonymous
@AwalGarg No, it wasn't clear to me. But I didn't know it was going to appear on your "about me" page. (I don't know whether I would have understood in that context or not.)
14:44
@DamkerngT. no, I wanna get off from SO.SE, cus my project is now over...
Anonymous
I thought "This description" might have been clearer
> The description (should have been) closed as not constructive, primarily opinion based, unclear what you are asking, off-topic, and too broad by Awal Garg♦ Infinite time ago.
Anonymous
The diamond is a nice touch.
I just thought that "-∞ days ago" might look better on Math.SE.
Anonymous
Oh, -∞!
Anonymous
14:45
I noticed recently that I can type ∞ on here, but not on my phone. At least, I don't know how to do it on my phone.
If it's for ELL or ELU, I might go with "once upon a time ago", just for fun.
Oh, I forgot that you're serious!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. You probably already realize this, but once upon a time can't normally be followed by ago :-)
It normally don't (and can't, I think), which is why I think it suits the purpose.
sorry, I was afk
@snailboat oh yeah!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. doesn't
14:49
@snailboat Indeed!
@snailboat Indeed!
@DamkerngT. I like that site, now way I will make fun there :)
@DamkerngT. what's that?
@AwalGarg It was just my random thought.
2
Q: Difference between "ŋ" and "n"

Zhanlong ZhengI work in an aerospace corporation in China and I have gone through lots of business negotiations with officials and executives from abroad. Most of them are impressed with my pronunciation, but I still want to get better. I wonder if a native speaker can easily hear the difference between ŋ and...

This question was a big surprise for me.
Anonymous
I think ZZ should have a native ŋ-n contrast
I just realized that in Mandarin, there appears to be no word beginning with the "ng" sound.
Can anyone please see if there is any mistake - stackoverflow.com/users/3459110/awal-garg
Anonymous
14:55
Same thing in English.
Previously, I thought "five" is pronounced /ŋow/.
But obviously, it's actually pronounced /wu/.
Hi @Damker
Again my questions. ;)
@A-friend Hi!
Are you free my friend?
;)
Anonymous
Yes, wu with a dipping tone
14:56
@A-friend I think I'm not that cheap. :-)
Anonymous
But in Middle Chinese, it had an initial ŋ
I'm sorry to interfere, but how to say good afternoon at night?
Anonymous
@SantiSantichaivekin "Good evening!"
Being more used to Teochew, I thought it should be /ŋow/.
Eh, I thought saying "Good afternoon" is fine.
14:58
I think it's in the afternoon in Frankfurt now.
@snailboat Even at night, is it okay?
@DamkerngT. I hope you are not inspired by me! :)
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Because Teochew preserves the initial velar nasal from Middle Chinese
@Damker our relationship is completely, friendly. :)
I won't pay you anything :D
@snailboat It seems so.
14:59
Be sure
never
ever
;)

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