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Anonymous
05:17
@DamkerngT. AA updated his profile again: ell.stackexchange.com/users/5846/admiraladama
Anonymous
> This site frustrates me a lot. I see a lot of poor or incorrect answers getting upvoted. I think I will take a break from ELL beta for awhile.
Isn't it easy for people to feel that way?
I know I also feel that myself.
Anonymous
I don't know why he feels that way.
Anonymous
But I suppose so
Anonymous
(That is, I expect that what I consider poor or incorrect answers are very different from what he considers poor or correct answers)
05:19
Hmm... Maybe he and I share a similar view for this issue.
Anonymous
I wonder how generally true that is.
However, I imagine that it could be a little different.
We can analyze what he thinks by checking out his answers.
And looking at ones where they didn't voted up, or some other answers in the same question have more upvotes than his.
That is how people's minds usually work.
Anonymous
For example, maybe he dislikes answers that don't say year-on-year is wrong
That is possible.
(Though I think I disagree with him on that one.)
Anonymous
His answers seem mostly okay.
Anonymous
05:22
Even though I disagree with certain things.
That is also what I think.
So what possibly hurt him the most would be some other answers that have got more upvotes.
But I think he just answered lots of questions today.
Anonymous
Oh, so he's not taking his break yet.
(I didn't really check out the site yet; I was too busy trying to analyze the phrase, "the honest human heart". :-)
@snailboat In general, I think the rep points system works really well.
You can hate it, but you will come back to it still. :-)
Admittedly, it even works on me at some level.
Though I know that things like a Hats season have more effects on me. :-)
Anonymous
I don't know if this is really a question about English, but according to SNPP, the character who said the line was voiced by Lisa Kudrow, who also played Phoebe on Friends. (I'd have no idea what "don't be such a Phoebe" meant without looking it up on Google.) — snailplane 28 mins ago
Anonymous
See, here again I comment-answered because I didn't feel comfortable writing an answer that was (or I perceived to be) not about English
05:28
Oh, you didn't watch Friends, I guess.
Anonymous
Also, because all I did was search on Google :-)
Anonymous
I've never seen Friends
I couldn't think of the right words to describe Phoebe's character.
Let's say that she is unique. :-)
Oh, but I don't know which character in The Simpsons she voices (or voiced).
Did she do a cameo?
Anonymous
The actor who played Phoebe guest-starred in The Simpsons as a character named Alex, according to the internet
Eh? Alex? Was it that boy?
Anonymous
05:32
Girl
Anonymous
There are girls named Alex
Anonymous
(Alexandra, and such)
I see, a different Alex, I think.
I thought of a boy in Simpsons the Movie.
Anonymous
I haven't seen that movie.
Oh, IMDb says the title is The Simpsons Movie.
Anonymous
05:34
Ahh
Anonymous
I think I heard about that when it came out
Anonymous
The Simpsons is fairly important in terms of pop culture
Anonymous
Everyone knows The Simpsons.
I can't really remember the boy's name, but in the movie he was kinda like Lisa's boyfriend.
Anonymous
Not only that, but in my youth I was inundated with Simpsons quotes from my brother, and thanks to him was made to watch some episodes as well :-)
05:35
nods -- I think it's hard to miss.
Anonymous
That was in the part of my life when I tried to avoid TV as much as possible
Anonymous
But I couldn't manage to entirely avoid The Simpsons :-)
Hehe.
Btw, is it possible to read "the honest human heart" as "the honest-human heart"?
Anonymous
Can I say "yes, it's possible" but give it a probability of like, 0.001? :-)
I see. I'm trying to see if it is possible.
Looks like it is improbable.
Anonymous
05:40
The reason it seems really difficult to read it that way
Anonymous
I think is human and heart really want to go together
I agree with those comments that said the doesn't mean a specific heart.
Anonymous
Yeah, it's not specific.
Anonymous
I don't know what comments we're talking about
I was working on this one: ell.stackexchange.com/questions/22166/…
Not that I really wanted to add my answer, but to clear things up in my head.
If I can see it super clearly, I might post what I understand.
One thing that kept pulling me back (from posting an answer to such questions) is the use of commas in a long noun phrase.
Like: an honest, sincere, humble, human heart
How okay would it be if we removed all those commas?
Things like that.
Anonymous
05:46
The honest human heart sounds to me like it's general, not a reference to a specific human heart. Of course, context could always override this, but that doesn't sound very likely
I think I can see through the (at least for the cases in the question).
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Um, I like an honest, sincere, humble human heart
The context could reinterpret things.
@snailboat Oh, yes, I think I put one too many.
Anonymous
Remember that my commadar is on the fritz with no repairman in sight
Anonymous
Before you go so far as to trust my comma judgments ;-)
Anonymous
05:50
But I have read a bunch of stuff about punctuation. I'm trying to mend my ways!
I think I can trust your judgments more than mine. :-)
Anonymous
Incidentally, in Nunberg's terms, punctuation is a little different than you might expect.
Anonymous
He considers capitalization a kind of punctuation because it marks things grammatically, for example
Hmm... Now we have din' even in a question title.
Anonymous
05:52
But apostrophes are a kind of spelling because they have no grammatical significance
Anonymous
No we don't.
Oh, now we don't.
Anonymous
:-)
Back to commas, I think writing an honest sincere humble human heart risks being considered incorrect.
It even looks incorrect to me right now.
But I can't tell why.
Anonymous
Well, because it's a human heart that is specifically humble, and it's one that's sincere by the standards of humble human hearts, and it's one that's honest by the standards of humble human hearts that are sincere by the standards of humble human hearts
Anonymous
05:57
It's a bit much to fit through one's brain
Wow! Thank you for the help! I think I got it!
Anonymous
Commas imply a coordinate structure, no commas imply a nested structure
Anonymous
I think it's possible to read it as a coordinate structure without commas, though
Anonymous
Maybe people would read it that way if you wrote it like that. But it looks funny to me.
Anonymous
Just a moment...
Anonymous
06:10
> [v] It has a powerful, fuel-injected engine.
Anonymous
> In [v] itself, then, engine is modified by a coordination of adjectives, giving the meaning "engine that is both powerful and has fuel injection". In a powerful fuel-injected engine, by contrast, there are two layers of modification: engine is modified by fuel-injected to form the nominal fuel-injected engine, and this is in turn modified by powerful, allowing a somewhat different interpretation - "engine that is powerful by the standards applicable to fuel-injected ones".
Anonymous
This is from Nunberg's chapter on punctuation in CGEL
Thanks! digesting...
Anonymous
I think maybe it's helpful to emphasize "allowing". I don't think it forces the other interpretation
It's essentially the same thing as what you just said earlier, I think. :-)
Ahh... so people can read it the way they read the comma version.
Anonymous
06:16
But I think that the non-comma version is more likely when you aren't piling on as many adjectives
Anonymous
Oh, since replacing the batteries in the fire alarms, they haven't gone off again.
Anonymous
I don't know if that's why or not.
Perhaps it is the reason.
Anonymous
Perhaps it is!
Anonymous
Too bad it's not easier to tell.
06:23
What does the manual say?
Anonymous
It doesn't have a "if you're having false alarms, change the batteries" section
Anonymous
It's s'posed to beep periodically in anger if you don't feed it batteries often enough.
Anonymous
See, s'posed is fine for informal chat. Or sposta or other such variations
Oh! I take it that it didn't (beep in anger).
Anonymous
But din' isn't appropriate for a question title on ELL
06:27
I believe so.
Anonymous
I agree with your belief!
Anonymous
note that this instance of "used to" is pronounced /yuzdtu/ whereas the usage of "used to" for past tense is pronounced /yustu/ — hunter 2 hours ago
Anonymous
Do you think people actually pronounce /zdt/?
Anonymous
It seems challenging.
I'm not so sure. I think I haven't heard these usages enough times.
Anonymous
06:31
But I'm not sure what his notation is exactly.
Anonymous
It doesn't look like IPA
It's not!
Anonymous
But it's in slashes! ;-)
But I think his meaning is clear.
I'm not sure if there is any better special mark for that!
I think the sequence /zdt/ he suggested is sound.
(Though I don't think that people really think they have to pronounce like that.)
Hmm... how do native speakers learn pronunciation?
Anonymous
used to /ˈjustə/ "I used to have a pet frog."
Anonymous
06:36
used to /ˈjustu/ "This isn't what I'm used to."
Anonymous
used to /ˈjuztu/ or /ˈjuztə/ "This machine is used to grade papers."
Anonymous
But the last in hyperarticulate speech could have a /d/, I think.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. They hear people speak and develop their own version, refining it over the years. Some children don't develop what is perceived to be ideal pronunciation, and these children are often sent to speech therapy
Anonymous
Every child is different, of course.
Anonymous
I had trouble developing normal speaking skills.
Anonymous
06:38
And now my keyboard is mocking me by inserting extra esses :-)
I can see you have trouble with the s on your keyboard, too. :-)
Bad keyboard!
Anonymous
cries
Anonymous
Bad keyboard! Back in the corner with you!
Anonymous
I got to see my brother's hamster, Solid Color Boy, the other day.
Anonymous
I gave him a cashew (well, part of one!) and I petted him.
Anonymous
06:42
It was the first time he let me pet him :-)
Anonymous
He's a good hamster.
Anonymous
Stripey Boy is nicer to me though
Anonymous
Stripey Boy is a nice hamster. He does something that I've never really seen other hamsters do.
Anonymous
Usually when you take a hamster out of their cage to play, they slowly grow more and more excited and keep moving around more and more :-)
Anonymous
But Stripey Boy is content to sit there with you and listen to stuff.
06:44
Nice!
Anonymous
I love hamsters! It's been years since I've had one, though. I think I'm too lazy to clean their cages :-)
Cashew nuts are delicious, too!
Anonymous
In the U.S., hamsters are often thought of as "starter pets", something low-responsibility that can lead up to owning a "real pet" like a cat or a dog.
Anonymous
But that's a bad description.
Anonymous
You have to be responsible to own hamsters. They need cleaning all the time!
06:46
I'm not sure which one is easier to be taken care of.
Yeah!
Anonymous
Snails don't take much care. You have to feed them fairly often, and you have to give them water each day.
Anonymous
But they don't need cleaning too often or anything like that.
My cat also cleans himself. :-)
Anonymous
Oh, how advanced!
What a great cat I have!
Solid Color Boy and Stripey Boy must have grown bigger a bit, I think.
Anonymous
06:49
They are a little bigger now.
Anonymous
I mean, I can't tell the difference, but my brother says they are.
Anonymous
He also says that one of them is bigger than the other, but I forgot which :-)
Anonymous
He also says that they're not names, just descriptions. But I use them like names.
I think he can call them SC and SB.
Essee and Esbee!
Fast or quick is another issue that seems to mean different things for different people.
Anonymous
06:54
@DamkerngT. You need to look at usage and see how people are actually using them, not just how they'd define them off the cuff
That is what I comfortably agree with.
Anonymous
Having said that, here's how I'd define them off the top of my head. (I'm just making an attempt!)
But when people discussed them, they usually discussed them out of context.
curious
Anonymous
Quick sounds like it describes an action that takes a small amount of time, especially shorter than average or expected, while fast refers to an action with a great speed
(I also have my own perceptions, too!)
Anonymous
06:56
So a car is fast. I don't think of quick cars.
Oh! That's my perception!
Anonymous
But if I got same-day delivery, that would be really quick. (Fast, too.)
speed vs time
Anonymous
In many cases, something with a shorter-than-average or -expected time also has a high speed, so fast is appropriate too.
Anonymous
So you could have a "quick trip to the store"
Anonymous
06:58
But your car is probably "fast"
Anonymous
And a package that arrived sooner than expected could be quick or fast
Anonymous
Well, its delivery, I mean.
Anonymous
Anyway, this is just me making up a description off the top of my head without really looking at corpus evidence.
Then, we also have quickly.
Anonymous
Sure.
Anonymous
07:03
I have the video game Skyrim open. I'm not playing it. (I haven't played it for a long time.)
Anonymous
But I opened it in the background, and it's making pleasant rainy sounds for me.
I've never played it.
Oh!
Natural sounds are nice to listen to.
Waterfall sounds are nice too.
Anonymous
I actually got it because it has a full Japanese localization, so I had an excuse. (More listening practice with subtitled text!)
Anonymous
It's the first game in that series they did that for.
Anonymous
And it's a really pretty game.
Anonymous
07:06
But now, it's just making rainy noises at me. :-)
07:20
> It was the disease yellow fever.
It's we who are responsible for that is an example given in the book. Here, the word disease is renaming yellow fever and in such case, they generally follow the verb to be - Swan's Practical English — Maulik V 2 hours ago
It sounds like Maulik was suggesting that it was a cleft sentence.
I disagreed at first.
Then, I think: Yellow fever was the disease. is also possible.
Very strange. :-)
But by default, I read it the way StoneyB's suggested.
@Graduate It's exactly the same construction as "Germany's Chancellor, Andrea Merkel" or "the composer Richard Strauss". — StoneyB 8 hours ago
It was [ the disease [ yellow fever ] ].
> In Reed's case, it was the disease yellow fever, but this idea allowed William C. Gorgas to abate the transmission of yellow fever and malaria in the construction of the Panama Canal.
Though I'm not sure it should be called appositive.
Anonymous
There are at least two constructions to distinguish, I think
Anonymous
composer Richard Strauss, in which the head is Richard Strauss and composer is an omissible modifier
Anonymous
the composer Richard Strauss, in which the head is the composer and Richard Strauss is an omissible modifier
Anonymous
07:36
In the latter, I think the name is an appositive
A-ha! Without any comma?
Anonymous
Yeah. I don't think appositives are by definition comma-y.
Anonymous
Their most basic quality is that they're next to each other. (in apposition, ad- + position)
Anonymous
But then we have the non-assimilated version, adposition, used as a hypernym for prepositions and postpositions
Anonymous
They're distinct thingies, but they express something similar. Things that are next to each other :-)
07:41
What are the differences (grammatically or syntactically) between the composer Richard Strauss and Richard Strauss the composer?
Anonymous
I can't answer that accurately off the top of my head. I'd need to look it up.
Is there any? Or we can just say that both of them have the same structure, appositive?
I'm sure that they're both noun phrases.
Noun phrases are usually easy to identify, but it might not be the easiest thing to analyze, I think.
Anonymous
Semantically, I think Richard Strauss the composer mean "Richard Strauss, specifically the Richard Strauss who is a composer"
Anonymous
Syntactically, it look like some kind of appositive thingy.
Anonymous
(I'm using technical terms now.)
07:45
I am not an expert in English, so I don't know all these grammatical terms, lol.
I feel comfortable with technical terms when they have "thingy" in them. :-)
Anonymous
Hooray
Hi @JasperLoy!
@DamkerngT. Hi!
I think this chat is mostly filled up by you two.
Maybe. :)
Anonymous
07:46
And if we leave, ELL chat will be dead forever.
Anonymous
Its zombie corpse marching on until the day the sun swallows the earth.
Anonymous
Hey, look at all these answers!
Anonymous
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A: Difference between diverse/various/different/distinct/disparate

CodeswitcherNo, they are not fully interchangeable. Perhaps the best way to illustrate is to ring all the changes on the various words of your list and the different examples you give us to explore their distinctions: 1) A person of diverse interests can talk on many subjects. A person of various interest...

Anonymous
And I only just put the bounty up today.
07:48
@JasperLoy See, people post their thoughts in blogs. I post mine in chats.
@snailboat Yeah! Only half a day!
Anonymous
My thoughts aren't exciting enough to put in blogs.
For most learners, when it comes to words, it's difficult to choose to use what when.
Anonymous
I would say "it's difficult to know when to use what"
Anonymous
Multiple-wh phrases are kind of difficult in English
I think their meanings are a little different.
But roughly the same idea.
Anonymous
07:54
Er
Anonymous
I meant to say know, not choose
Ah, I see. smacking head... :-)
Anonymous
I was trying to express the idea I read in your clause, but it seemed ungrammatical to me so it was hard to assign a precise meaning to it
Anonymous
I think "to choose to use what" could be reordered to "to choose what to use" to improve it quite a bit
Anonymous
If you wanted to make minimal changes
07:56
Ah, that's exactly what I think, I think.
Somehow, I think of when first, and then choose what (in the given when).
Knowing when to choose what sounds more natural, I think.
Anonymous
I can't explain the grammar of multiple-wh phrases very well
Anonymous
I know that you can't generally front two wh-thingies
I think what I though was: Knowing what to choose when.
Anonymous
(I just edited what I wrote to make it sound more technical)

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