English Language Learners

hellodear2

18:00

I am a non-med student.

Are you in 11th?

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 I have passed 12th, tomorrow is dooms day for me

hellodear2

why?

today was IP exam

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 same same :P what after 12th?

hellodear2

I have seen many people in metro today.

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 result of board

hellodear2

18:01

excellent!!

IIT?

Awal Garg

I hate circuses

hellodear2

I am an IITian dude. :p

So just chill.

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 ohh, it wasn't for you dude :P

how much did u score in jeemains? or aieee? whatever

hellodear2

No offense!!

you can say that!!

my rank was 1698.

in IIT JEE.

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 One should presume you agree to it! IIT Delhi?

@hellodear2 are you kidding me?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!‌!!

and lots of more exclamation marks

@hellodear2 do you study 48 hours a day?

hellodear2

18:05

IIT Roorkee.

why so excited?

Am I Salman Khan? :p

Lol

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 far better than that, and I know you know that...

hellodear2

Arre...

4000 log hai

not a big deal.

IIT me

Awal Garg

if my mommy hears that, she will come and adopt you

hellodear2

Haha.

over ho gya. :p

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 wut?

hellodear2

18:07

Hehe.

Did you clear JEE first part?

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 yup.. not much marks though. btw, what do you guys study at IIT?

hellodear2

gave second part of JEE?

Awal Garg

its kinda amusing though, I live in delhi, I am talking to a similarly aged person in delhi, same subject, kinda same future career, and you study so damn good. the world is small

@hellodear2 no, and I won't

Damkerng T.

@hellodear2 Hello!

hellodear2

What do you mean by won't?

Awal Garg

18:10

@DamkerngT. two "hello"s in one sentence?

hellodear2

It has already been done.

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 cos, I don't like it

@hellodear2 ohh, thats no big deal, people drop for 2 2 years, isn't it?

hellodear2

@AwalGarg Yaar itna majak mat kar. Chat ki seriousness kharaab hoti hai.

Sorry, But I am 21.

I have done my graduation.

Damkerng T.

Congratulations!

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 from iit or not?

hellodear2

18:11

and will join company in next 10 days.

:)

Yes. Ajay Mittal

IIT Roorkee

2014 batch

check kr sakta hai uske database me.

Awal Garg

if you are in delhi, why do you go in iit roorkee?

is it something like the iit officials allot colleges?

hellodear2

yaar IIT delhi me 1000 rabk ke baad you won't get anything.

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 ohh,

tell me, what do i do to not get into iit?

hellodear2

what?

I am not here to crack your jokes.

Bye.

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 I am serious, please

hellodear2

18:13

@DamkerngT. hello Sir.

Damkerng T.

Hello, I'm still here.

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 no wait

@DamkerngT. in Thailand, right?

Damkerng T.

Yes.

hellodear2

@DamkerngT. Awai is cracking so much jokes. He seems to be in good mood. :-)

@DamkerngT. I have one problem.

Damkerng T.

Oh, then he is always in that mood. :-)

Yes?

Awal Garg

18:15

@hellodear2 pls tell me. what do I do, I don't wanna do that shitty iit

for all i know, you would agree that there is no fun in studies there, is it? nothing they teach is usefull

hellodear2

@DamkerngT. I can understand English speakers, I can write well as you can see in chats too.

Damkerng T.

Yes?

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 is that a problem? you wanna forget all this?

hellodear2

I can't speak. I can speak. I talk in English with teachers and all. but I stammer while speaking English.

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. IKR

Damkerng T.

18:17

@hellodear2 Make up your mind. :-)

So, you can speak, right?

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 wo aake tumhare ilaaj nahi karega, tumhe mehnat karni hogi :)

Damkerng T.

wait a sec

hellodear2

@AwalGarg bhai, time pass mat kr yaha. Go and do some good work,

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. he must have born with a mind, what will he do with another one?

hellodear2

and talk with respect ok? @AwalGarg

Awal Garg

18:19

@hellodear2 first, tell me, what else is there for sci students, except iit?

@hellodear2 where did i dis-do it?

hellodear2

@awai tum sote kab ho? 12 bj gye hai so jao.

@DamkerngT. we can talk after he goes for sleep.

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 I am a hard-worker, I am coding right now

hellodear2

He is damn frustrating now.

Damkerng T.

:)

hellodear2

Can you code stackover flow?

Awal Garg

18:20

@hellodear2 ok, I won't disturb. I have been coding since morning, so I am lil bit in that mood.

hellodear2

@awai

Awal Garg

1 min ago, by Awal Garg

@hellodear2 first, tell me, what else is there for sci students, except iit?

ah yes, in DELHI, it is must. pls, i will go back coding afterwards...

i assure

@hellodear2 you know, in delhi specially, seniors are responsible for guiding juniors

!!afk - gud nite

Damkerng T.

G'night!

hellodear2

18:37

@DamkerngT.

Come back here.

Damkerng T.

Okay. :-)

hellodear2

ya

so what would you suggest me

Damkerng T.

I think, basically, you're not a beginner at all.

You sure can communicate in English.

So, it will depend on your goals.

hellodear2

Ya. I can communicate with you in chats.

You can understand what I am saying.

Damkerng T.

But if I guess right, you seem to want to improve maybe two things.

Face-to-face conversation skill, and technical writing, I think.

hellodear2

18:41

technical?

Damkerng T.

Like, writing technical documents, manuals, etc.

hellodear2

Problem: I want to say : "Hey dam! you have to go on the other side of it." I will say: "Hey dam!! You have to....go go on the other side.....of it"

Damkerng T.

Maybe a little bit of writing emails or formal letters too.

hellodear2

I stammer... I have to think what I have to speak next.

Fantasier

Speaking a lot works for me. Speak more; stammer less. :-)

Damkerng T.

18:43

After that sentence, if you speak the same thing the second time, would you still stammer?

hellodear2

But when I am at home, I sometimes speak well when I am alone.

Damkerng T.

@Fantasier That's the most natural way, I think.

hellodear2

No. Second time, I won't stammer.

Damkerng T.

@hellodear2 Then it seems like you spent too long time to come up with what you want to say. Perhaps, that's all.

So, you can't build your sentence fast enough in real-time.

dropping a not coming back again. Hehe

hellodear2

@DamkerngT. No. I can't build sentences too fastly.

I have to think what I have to say next in 60% cases.

Like : How re you? what are you doing

Damkerng T.

18:46

you can't build sentences fast enough

hellodear2

simple sentences I am okay with them.

Damkerng T.

The trick is to think in English. Nothing more.

Fantasier

Do you keep translating from your mother tongue in your head?

@DamkerngT. Ah, same thing, same thing :)

hellodear2

Ya! many times. I used to translate things in mind.

I think: How would I have spoken it if I had used English?

Damkerng T.

There are several ways to fix that, imo.

Fantasier

18:48

Actually there are people who can translate real fast in their heads. But the way I do it (and apparently the way Damkerng does it, too) is to think in English, or let it come out naturally without thinking in our language first.

Damkerng T.

@Fantasier Those people are amazing!

But I think I share some tricks with them.

(Not the translation things, but the buffering.)

hellodear2

I am depressed actually.

Key is : Hard work.

Damkerng T.

If you want to improve real fast, then it's really hard work.

But you can go slowly and steadily too.

hellodear2

Just tell me:

what do I need to do?

I will really do damn hard work.

Fantasier

@DamkerngT. Some of them are known as interpreters :P

Damkerng T.

18:53

@hellodear2 We tried the quick-but-hard-work way once, I think we went only half-way through.

But if you can develop good ears, things will be a lot easier for you, I'm sure.

hellodear2

yup sir.

Damkerng T.

@Fantasier Yes. I think typically they won't do whispering more than 15 minutes each session. It's really demanding.

hellodear2

@DamkerngT. If you will say me to read books, watch English movies, read newspaper or whatever.

I will do that everything.

Fantasier

The only piece of advice I can give you here is keep speaking. Because that's almost all I've been doing.

hellodear2

But I am depressed looking at people speaking too much fluent English around me in college. etc

Damkerng T.

18:56

I think many people can speak good English by just starting to speak it, and then keep speaking it.

However, I believe that it will bring you two big disadvantages, if you do that too soon.

hellodear2

what

Damkerng T.

One is your speech pattern will not improve; the other is your sentence pattern will be different from native speakers.

That might be closer to what I wanted to say.

I mean, you can read/write rather fine, but you're not very good at speaking, right?

The question (which I've spent a long time to think upon) is why?

hellodear2

Exactly.

You are a brain reader.

Damkerng T.

The best answer I can come up with is, we cheated.

hellodear2

umm... on what?

Damkerng T.

19:01

We jumped right into reading (in order to write, because writing is the big, big goal in language learning).

But we skipped speaking.

hellodear2

what is "we" in this?

Fantasier

It's an ineffective and unnatural way of learning a language, I think. (And apparently that's the Thai style English learning!)

Damkerng T.

The same thing could happen again, if you skipped listening and jumped right into speaking.

hellodear2

@DamkerngT. I have got your point now.

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. I will not interrupt, Ughhh! You made such a strong point, I could not resist, oops.

hellodear2

19:02

When you won't listen, then you will always speak wrong and your way of making sentences will always be wrong.

Damkerng T.

@AwalGarg Sure, we don't forbid you from talking.

@hellodear2 That's what I tried to say.

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. It was rather more interesting listen (read) actually :)

hellodear2

You have taught that much in listening at that time.

Damkerng T.

Yes, and I would say that we was just about half-way.

hellodear2

I know Sir.

Damkerng T.

19:05

Remember that I said that, until you can hear at least about 90% of what you listen to?

hellodear2

hmmm....

Damkerng T.

that sounds better

The goal of those unpleasant exercises was to improve your listening.

Awal Garg

@hellodear2 this problem, was mine, about 2 years ago. The solution I came up with, is make a few Skype pen friends and talk to them instead of murmuring to yourself. It may or may not work for you... Everyone's different, and I am no DamkerngT. or Fantasier...

Fantasier

@DamkerngT. I'm curious about the exercises.

Damkerng T.

Talking to real people is another good way too.

Awal Garg

19:07

@DamkerngT. What would you say about my English? Is it sufficient?

Damkerng T.

@Fantasier Really? :-)

Fantasier

@DamkerngT. To be honest, I suck at listening. It's pretty much the only thing I can do lower than the average level :)

Damkerng T.

@AwalGarg I can't hear what you speak, so I couldn't say much, but I think you'd be quite alright.

hellodear2

@DamkerngT. we will talk tomorrow. This guy is damn fuckingly irritating.

I wish God Call him soon.

Damkerng T.

@hellodear2 Oh, you can ignore him.

Awal Garg

19:08

@DamkerngT. As in chatting?

Damkerng T.

Yes, and in typical conversations.

@Fantasier They were mostly about transcribing clips.

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. please tell me, how?

Damkerng T.

@hellodear2 You can click on his avatar, and choose "ignore this user".

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. its not showing up for mine. What should I do now?

Fantasier

@DamkerngT. Hmm, here's what I do: I watch a video (or listen to a sound clip) that has a transcript or subtitles available, then I watch again with subtitles or read the transcript. And check my accuracy and find out what I didn't manage to catch.

Damkerng T.

19:11

@Fantasier That helps too, I'm quite sure.

The checking part is really important.

Awal Garg

ok, its showing up now... thnx, @DamkerngT. I hope that works in all chat rooms, right? in Maths one as well?

Damkerng T.

@AwalGarg No problem. Yes.

hellodear2

Yipeeeeeee!!

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. How long for will it hide the user's posts?

hellodear2

Thanks for telling me that ignore thing :D

hureeeyyy!!

Damkerng T.

19:13

@AwalGarg Forever, I think.

@hellodear2 Yay!

hellodear2

why did you tell me that earlier?

:-)

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. Is there someway I can also hide my own posts? I don't like to see them in glowing neon tubes :P

Damkerng T.

I thought you knew. :-)

Awal Garg

I know what I have written

hellodear2

I have started using Askubuntu too much these days,

That is really really great website.

Damkerng T.

19:15

nods

hellodear2

who has started Stackexchange?

I want to kiss that person.

Damkerng T.

Hmm... Must be that Coding Horror guy.

hellodear2

Who? :-o

Damkerng T.

Yeah, I think it's him, Jeff Atwood.

hellodear2

Is there a single person who is behind this miracle?

Damkerng T.

19:16

Everything big starts small.

hellodear2

yoo!

I have read about hi,

Damkerng T.

I think you can read more in his blogs. Frankly, I didn't read about it much.

hellodear2

He is great.

Damkerng T.

nods

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. Why do you think I changed my username? I love what it is. I just got to know late that there are chat rooms on SE... btw. Sweet Dreams.

Damkerng T.

19:19

@AwalGarg Ah, I thought you were that Utkarsh guy, were you not?

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. My real name does match with him, but I swear, I am not him.

Damkerng T.

@AwalGarg And g'night! (again)

Awal Garg

@DamkerngT. this one is for real... bye

hellodear2

Why isn't he going? :D

He is damn irritating.

Parth Kohli

19:31

Hello.

Damkerng T.

Hello!

Parth Kohli

How diddly do?

Damkerng T.

Diddly do just fine, I think. :-)

Parth Kohli

@DamkerngT. I see, I see.

Damkerng T.

@ParthKohli Howya gowing?

Parth Kohli

19:36

@DamkerngT. I'm growing well. Mom says my growth would be even better if I eat homemade food.

WHOOPS.

Yes, I'm good.

Damkerng T.

See, food is important. :D

How'bout my Auzzie accent?

Parth Kohli

Izz pretty cul, m8.

Damkerng T.

Thanks, buddy!

Parth Kohli

None taken!

Damkerng T.

Neither here!

Parth Kohli

19:39

Hmm, not really. I think we're just friends.

Damkerng T.

Okay, being friends is good enough. :D

I haven't watched True Detective before, but it looks interesting.

Parth Kohli

Wow, that's rated 9.4 on IMDb.

Damkerng T.

Yeah, really interesting!

Parth Kohli

But again, it can't be as good as Breaking Bad was.

Damkerng T.

Which one? (There are lots of them on IMDb.)

Parth Kohli

19:43

imdb.com/title/tt0903747/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Damkerng T.

Ah, that one. I missed it.

Parth Kohli

I binge-watched it in February.

'Twas beautiful.

A work of art.

Damkerng T.

I can't tell much from the billboard, but it looks cool.

Parth Kohli

@DamkerngT. I suggest you to start watching it.

Damkerng T.

Oh, its storyline is also interesting.

Parth Kohli

19:45

Don't read the storyline.

Works a lot as a spoiler.

Damkerng T.

Oh, it was ended in 2013.

Parth Kohli

Yes.

Damkerng T.

It reminds me of Prison Break.

Anonymous

22:44

@DamkerngT. Would isn't used so much that way anymore, but it's still understandable.

Damkerng T.

23:10

@snailboat Thanks! I suspected that too.

Welling

23:48

Hi everyone

Hi @sn

hi @snailboat, @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

Hi! @Welling

Welling

How it is everything?

Damkerng T.

Looks fine. How about things on your side?

Anonymous

@Welling Hello!

Welling

Good

Damkerng T.

23:57

Oh, Nice (city) is spelled "Nice", but read "niece". :-)

Welling

Have you guys watched Godzilla yet?

Damkerng T.

(I have Celine: Through the Eyes of the World in the background.)

Welling

the 2014 movie

what city is that?

Damkerng T.

Oh, I want to, but I think I have to wait for six months, as usual.

@Welling She was on tour, I think.

Nice

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