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6:00 PM
There is a lot of things in string theory that are very tightly coupled to the special-ness of 2d CFTs. These features are not continuous in the size of the second dimension, i.e. they don't disappear when you make the second dimension smaller.
 
Hey guys, anyone know if Pascal's Law is perfectly accurate ?
 
Hm
There is the general statement that worldline is string theory as $T \to \infty$
Is it accurate?
 
Meaning could some of the pressure actually go into compressing the trapped fluid, however small it may be ?
 
Yes, fluids can be compressed
Their compressibility is just very small
 
@Slereah Also: There are only 5 string theories, but a plethora of quantum field theories. There already is a well-accepted way to go from ST to QFT: Compute the stringy amplitudes, observe they are the amplitudes of a 10d SUGRA amplitude.
 
6:03 PM
@ACuriousMind I'm not asking to solve the standard model either :p
 
@Slereah So I guess theoretically, it could. Thanks
 
@HsMjstyMstdn It is perfectly accurate for incompressible fluids, but there are no perfectly incompressible fluids in nature :P
 
Just if there's something true about that statement
 
@ACuriousMind roger roger
 
@Slereah What's "$T$" there?
 
6:03 PM
String tension?
 
It's one of those common statement that doesn't seem to be proven anywhere
except that one proof in Barbashov
 
What's wrong with what Barbashov does, it's correct
 
@bolbteppa It makes assumptions
 
You know, that may well be. Most of string theory isn't really concerned with this basic part of string theory, even if it is a large part of most books on the subject
 
6:06 PM
You can even do a non-relativistic limit to show the action reduces to the classical action for a string to see why the tension $T$ is a string tension, it's in BBS
 
What you need to see is that, in contrast to QFT, the computation of the stringy amplitude in free space is only the beginning of string theory, since that only gets you a theory in 10d Minkowski space that's completely disconnected from anything physical
 
@bolbteppa the big book of stupidity?
 
So such correspondences between the building blocks of ST and QFT are wholly misleading, even if they look appealing
 
@ACuriousMind I'm entirely fine working on a wholy useless theory
If I wanted to do something useful I'd build boats
 
Barbashov does it in two ways, he first starts with the point particle action and turns it into NG, then goes backwards and does it again
 
6:08 PM
@Slereah The picture is probably that strings with infinite tension have no extent, so the 2d worldsheet diagrams shrink to 1d graphs.
I'm willing to bet no one has ever meant this statement in any more rigorosity than that
 
Damn them all to hell
 
For one, you'd have to somehow map the states of the free string to the states of a QFT
 
I'm sure doing string theory to free scalar field is probably doable
 
But in the end, the only possible limits you could get are, once again, the 5 10d SUGRAs. I wouldn't be surprised if you could work this limit out in detail, but you'd just get the result everyone already knew
 
Look at @ACuriousMind, still trying to get me not to waste my time
My time is worthless I tell you
I mean I guess I could try to solve string theory instead
But that sounds like a bit more challenging thing
 
6:15 PM
@Slereah it's also in Zwiebach in the 'action in terms of transverse velocity' section
 
Another part where you probably have to wave your hands really hard is to argue how the sum over worldsheet topologies turns into a sum over graph topologies in any sort of limit
 
@bolbteppa thx
@ACuriousMind I'm guessing it may depend on the foliation
Doing a deformation retract of the spacelike section of the strings should be fine, but yeah
That's a bit of a foliation-specific thing
Although I guess maybe the set of all interpolating topologies is the same as the set of all graphs, regardless of the foliation
but that sounds tough to show
 
what foliation?
 
Foliation on the target space
 
Why do you need a foliation on the target space?
What does it have to do with contracting the 2d worldsheets?
 
6:18 PM
Well I guess I can just foliate the worldsheet directly, yes
 
The worldsheets are not necessarily embedded in the target space!
 
I guess the first step would be showing that the propagator of a single string contracts to the propagator of a relativistic particle
@bolbteppa I'd feel better about those kinds of demonstrations if we defined the NG action as $$S = \frac{m}{\int d\sigma} \int \sqrt{\gamma} d\sigma d\tau$$
But oh well
It's fine I suppose
 
@Slereah Isn't the relativistic propagator some ugly Bessel function?
 
@ACuriousMind Well, if you write it down, yes
But most physicists seem to prefer to hide it shamefully in integral form
or write it in momentum space
 
But then what do you mean by "the propagator of a single string"?
 
6:26 PM
The relativistic action is just the arc length up to a constant you determine from the non-relativistic limit, similarly the NG action is just the area up to a constant you also determine from the non-relativistic limit (Becker Becker Schwarz Ex. 2.7)
 
@ACuriousMind Just the quantization of the Polyakov action?
no sum over topologies business
 
@Slereah I don't know what that means
 
Of course such an area is going to have to come from integrating the worldlines making up the world-sheet and reduce to the action of a point particle in some limit
 
@ACuriousMind The quantum theory of a single string?
 
There is no such thing!
 
6:28 PM
Isn't there?
 
String theory is not "QFT with strings instead of particles"!
 
Well I'm not talking string theory here
 
On a single string, you can build a quantum state of space
 
just the quantum theory equivalent of the relativistic particle
well yes, that is what I mean
the whole $|k^\mu, \alpha_\mu \rangle$ business
The whole enchilada, as they say in the string theory business
 
But the time evolution of these states is completely and solely defined by the stringy sum over worldsheets. You can't really ask about how one of them propagates to another.
Please write down what expression you actually think is "the propagator of a single string"
 
6:35 PM
Hm, true
I suppose there is always interpolating topologies
 
@ACuriousMind Hahahaha
 
Can't you just consider a theory of a single worldsheet topology?
 
Not really, or at least if you do, it's not string theory
 
Well yes, but as said
I don't want to do string theory all at once :p
I specifically didn't use the term string theory
 
@Slereah There is no "quantum theory of a single string" except string theory.
 
6:38 PM
But you just said it wasn't string theory D:
 
Well, I mean string theory is the only quantum theory in which strings feature
 
Help I'm being bullied by string theorists
It's that Abstruse Goose comic all over again
 
You can't just say "quantum theory of a single string" and act like that means something if you explicitly don't want to do string theory :P
 
What would you call a theory with a propagator $$\int \mathcal{D}X \mathcal{D}\gamma e^{-S[X, \gamma]}$$
Sans sum over topologies
if such a thing is a well-formed theory
 
That's a partition function, not a propagator, isn't it?
 
6:41 PM
You know what I mean
Add appropriate X's where needed
 
And no, I'm not convinced that's a "well-formed theory" out of the box.
or wait
 
so I'm trying to play Wii
wanted to replay some Zelda games
 
that might literally be just the worldsheet CFT
Ah, no, you're varying the metric.
 
what a pain in the ass getting analogue to work on a modern TV
 
@RyanUnger Trying to play your Coleco vision?
 
6:43 PM
@ACuriousMind @Slereah what are you talking about
 
(He's probably too young to get that joke)
 
@Slereah Wii...as I said above
 
@RyanUnger String stuff
does wii not have digital connectors
Last console I bought was a Nintendo 64 so I'm a bit out of the game
 
@Slereah So, if you properly do the gauge fixing for $\gamma$ there, I'm pretty sure this is just the partition function for the 2d CFT that lives on the world sheet
 
@ACuriousMind Probably yeah
 
6:45 PM
Wii does have digital but it doesn't come with an HDMI cable
 
Or if I leave the $\gamma$ in... QUANTUM GRAVITY
 
I might have to Amazon one
 
On the worldsheet
 
would be convenient!
I'm currently trying to get an adapter to work but there's some issue
 
Cut the cables open and jury rig a converter
Although i guess that would not work with an analogue and digital cable
 
6:47 PM
@Slereah No, the point is that you need to fix the gauge freedom one has in choosing the metric, as one also does in the full string amplitude (buzzword: moduli of Riemann surfaces)
 
Damn modern technology
 
you need an active converter
like I said, complete pain
for some reason by TV doesn't have the 5-prong analogue
you need an adapter for that
and it seems to be busted
 
You can pick up CRT TVs at the store for like five bucks, otherwise
 
I recall having this problem the last time I tried to get it to work
 
Play it old school
 
6:47 PM
there was some trick
Well I can just get an emulator and rip the iso from the disks
I might be plugging them in the wrong order or something stupid
I remember this being an issue
What I don't remember is if I managed to solve it
 
Back in my days we just had a stick!
Just kidding
I just played video games all the time
They were just old and terrible games
 
@Slereah games before like 2003 were actually bad
pokemon and FF are exceptions
but like Mario 64 is not a very good game
 
Look at this youngster
 
they've vastly improved platformers
 
Bad mouthing the games of old
 
6:55 PM
I'll bad mouth everything old
 
Setting $X^0 = \tau, X^1 = \sigma$ and leaving the $X^i$ as fields we have
\begin{align}
S &= - T \int d \tau d \sigma \sqrt{- \det \gamma_{\alpha \beta}} = - T \int d \tau d \sigma \sqrt{- \det \partial_{\alpha} X \cdot \partial_{\beta} X } \\
&= - T \int d \tau d \sigma \sqrt{- \det \begin{bmatrix} \partial_{\tau} X \cdot \partial_{\tau} X & \partial_{\tau} X \cdot \partial_{\sigma} X \\ \partial_{\sigma} X \cdot \partial_{\tau} X & \partial_{\sigma} X \cdot \partial_{\sigma} X \end{bmatrix} } \\
 
Same idea as going from $S = - \lambda \int ds = - \lambda \int \sqrt{1-v^2}dt = - \lambda \int (1 - \frac{1}{2} v^2)dt = \int \frac{1}{2} \lambda v^2 dt$ to get $\lambda = m$ basically
 
I'm still waiting for someone to prove electric conduction from string theory
 
Showing (and understanding) the link to Regge trajectories is a different animal
 
7:13 PM
Ok I got the Wii to work
 
7:34 PM
@Slereah the DeSitter section of Barb talks about the curved NG action
 
@bolbteppa nice
 
7:51 PM
@EmilioPisanty I just get annoyed at people flagging before using words.
I also get annoyed that I didn't pay enough attention during second semester of Sakurai. Only one of those things can I do something about, though =)
 
@nitsua60 So you're gonna re-read Sakurai? ;)
 
Honestly, I'd re-tackle Jackson first. But that's my particular string of regrets expressing itself--no reflection on the works themselves =)
 
@Loong (the TIE fighter link obviously not original, either)
though it's honestly a better look there
@nitsua60 if it's genuine, I don't have much of a problem with flagging instead of engaging
particularly since the latter just opens the door to all sorts of unsavoury conversations if things go south
 
@EmilioPisanty I have maybe a weird take on this. I don't fault a user who is discomfited by something and flags rather than speaking up. But I don't like rooms where the custom is to chuck flags around and nary a word is said (until "stop flagging me, bitch!" starts up).
 
@nitsua60 well, that's not really a room as such
 
7:59 PM
Right--this was a difference circumstance, no question.
 
I don't think anything was posted after the migration from comment thread to chat
 
I didn't check timestamps, but that looks likely.
In other news, congrats on the Nature Photonics cover!
 
=)
(not Nature, and not a cover, but still nice)
they apparently call the banner the "hero image" ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯
it's a nice second place, though
 
In any field recognition from one's community is, best I can tell, a priceless gift.
 
yep
I'm not sure the art editors at NPG really count as my community
but it's definitely a huge help in visibility in getting my message out and getting people to care about it
and it's always awesome to see them trefoils up in cool places =)
particularly these ones, which derive from experimental data
 
8:13 PM
it also completely explains your avatar :P
 
indeed =D
the avatar is right there in the picture
innit obvious?
 
yep
 
what am I looking at?
 
'hammerhead horsts' at the Makran coast
a.k.a. gorgeous satellite imagery =)
 
8:44 PM
nice
 
 
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11:06 PM
Apologies if this is a silly question, but why does a reference frame exist in which the average velocity of CMB photons is zero? Why don’t they follow a distribution without a mean, like the Cauchy distribution? Is there a deep reason for this?
 
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