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5:01 PM
$\Gamma_0 , \varphi (1,0,0,0), \varphi (1,0,0,0,0), \varphi \binom{1}{6}, ...<\varphi \binom{1}{LVO}$ (Increment = $\varphi (\cdot, 0 ... 0)$ for $\omega$ times for step n)
 
I read Australia had the best view of the meteor shower, did you get a chance to watch any of it?
 
there's a meteor shower tonight?
 
nope, a couple of nights ago
 
hello i had a doubt
It's on waves
 
Not aware of it, probablye because I am busy with uni\
 
5:06 PM
can somebody help please?
 
Askaway
 
In the equation of a wave it's y (x,t) = Asin ....
why is it related to distance x
 
@JacobP.J What does the $y$ stand for?
 
displacement from the mean position
 
displacement of what from the mean position?
 
5:10 PM
particle undergoing oscillation in a medium
 
Just a single particle?
 
I saw a video and they said it's because the particle oscillates with respect to a spacial variable ie distance
hmm I'm not sure if it's just one particle in my textbook they use "constituents"
 
If you simply have a single particle, then there will be no $x$-dependence and no wave.
You need to understand what $y(x,t)$ is supposed to represent in order to understand why it depends on some $x$.
 
but there will be dependence on time
 
A lone particle does not constitute a wave, so $y(x,t)$ does not describe something about a single particle.
 
5:13 PM
so a lone particle oscilating can't describe a sinusoidal wave?
what happens in case of a pendulum bob
 
@JohnRennie I wanted to ask about Gauss' Law
 
isn't it considered a lone particle
 
Instead you are supposed to imagine a string in the $x$-direction which moves in a wave-like motion. Each point of the string is identified by some $x$, and its displacement from the mean at time $t$- the position where the string is flat - is what $y(x,t)$ describes.
 
...Or if anyone is online and knows the answer. Is Gauss' Law valid only for spheres /sphere like objects?
 
@JacobP.J The bob may oscillate, but a single pendulum is not a "wave".
A wave is some sort of oscillation that travels.
 
5:15 PM
hm the oscillation is a wave
 
The pendulum just stays in place.
 
yea
 
@Abcd Gauß' law has nothing to do with objects as such, so no.
You can take any closed surface and apply Gauß' law on it.
 
@ACuriousMind Is Gauss law valid for a cube too?
I dont really get what this law is trying to say
 
@Abcd It is valid for any closed surface over which you can take a surface integral, so yes.
@Abcd It says that the electric flux through a closed surface tells you how much electric charge is enclosed within.
 
5:18 PM
@ACuriousMind Does a cube subtend 4 pi solid angle at its centre?
 
@ACuriousMind Instead you are supposed to imagine a string in the $x$-direction which moves in a wave-like motion. Each point of the string is identified by some $x$, and its displacement from the mean at time $t$- the position where the string is flat - is what $y(x,t)$ describes. this is confusing
can you explain it more simply :/
 
@Abcd I do not know what it means for a cube to "subtend 4 pi solid angle at its centre", nor do I understand what this has to do with Gauß' law.
 
@ACuriousMind what about rEgUlaRiTY
 
(the former may be my weak grasp of English terms in elementary geometry, the latter not)
@JacobP.J Perhaps - if you can tell me what's confusing about it?
 
"the position where the string is flat". Does the 'x' refer to each of the constituent particles of the string?
 
5:22 PM
@BalarkaSen you never told me if you use dropbox
If yes, I can link you to my group's dropbox and you can see all the Lohkamp papers
 
@JacobP.J The string has some length $L$. We refer to one end of the string as the place with $x=0$ and the other as having $x=L$. Any $x$ in between just means the corresponding point in between. We think of the string as continuous here and do not care whether it has "constituent particles".
 
@Abcd yes, any closed surface subtends and angle of $4\pi$
 
okay so x is just the position
 
@abcd Suppose you image a single charge with flux lines coming out from it.
 
By "the position where the string is flat" I mean that we have to choose some zero for the $y$-direction. If all points of the string have $y(x,t_0)$ at some point in time $t_0$, then the string is a line along the $x$-axis at that moment
 
5:25 PM
@Abcd If you surround that charge with a sphere then all those flux lines have to pass through that sphere. But if you surround it with a cube then still all those flux lines have to pass through the cube.
@Abcd it doesn't matter what shape the surrounding surface is, the same flux lines still pass through it.
 
@JohnRennie Yeah thats what Is written in my book. How can it subtend 4pi solid angle :/
 
subtend is such a silly word
 
@0celo7 you suggest a better word Vocab Master
 
@Abcd Why shouldn't it subtend 4pi
 
@Abcd we have a basic misunderstanding here I think. $4\pi$ steradians is the total angle surrounding a point e.g. a point charge.
 
5:28 PM
Is "subtend 4 pi solid angle" code for "If you're inside it, you can't see anything but its surface"? :P
 
@ACuriousMind Yes
 
@JohnRennie does a cone also subtend 4pi at its centre ?
 
@ACuriousMind it's really "retraction along rays gives a homeo to S^2" but only Germans think like that ;)
 
@JohnRennie why dont outside charges have an effect?
Wont they contribute negative flux?
 
5:34 PM
@Abcd flux lines can only begin or end on a charge. If you have some closed surface with no charge inside it, and a charge outside the surface, then any flux line from that charge must go in the surface and then back out again because it can't end inside the closed surface.
So the net flux through the surface is zero.
 
Oh right
7 mins ago, by Abcd
@JohnRennie does a cone also subtend 4pi at its centre ?
Its not intuitive for a cone.
I dont think it subtends 4pi at centre
(aka Cone cannot be a gaussian surface?)
 
Does your cone have a bottom or not?
 
@Abcd A cone isn't a closed surface. Well, not unless you consider the base of the cone.
 
@ACuriousMind it does
 
Also, why are you insisting on thinking in terms of "solid angle"? The inuitive notion of a closed surface is simply a surface that encloses some region of space such that you cannot leave that region without going through the surface.
 
5:40 PM
@Abcd ask yourself, can any flux line from a charge inside the cone escape to infinity without passing through the surface of the cone?
 
@ACuriousMind because my book has proven Gauss' Law using solid angle technique
@JohnRennie No it cant
 
@Abcd so suppose the point charge produces a total flux $F$, then since all the flux lines go out to infinity all that flux $F$ must pass through the surface of the cone. Yes?
 
@JohnRennie yes
 
Now replace the cone by a sphere centred on the charge.
 
ok
 
5:45 PM
All the flux still goes out to infinity so the total flux passing through the sphere is still $F$
i.e. the same as the cone
 
Yes, got it.
 
It doesn't matter what shape the surface is as long as it is closed. The total flux through the surface will be the same.
 
@ACuriousMind halp
 
@Slereah ?
 
how does one prove that an infinite dimensional Grassmann algebra has non-nilpotent souls
 
5:54 PM
@JohnRennie gaussIan surface has to be non conducting only?
 
@Abcd the gaussian surface is an imaginary surface not a real object. Any real object will have a non-zero polarisibility so things start getting complicated.
The gaussian surface is just some geometric object we imagine surrounding the charge (or charges).
 
@Slereah That is not true in all generality, for instance consider the infinite-dimensional Graßmann algebra that you get from an infinite direct sum of finite-dimensional ones: All souls are still nilpotent, since the direct sum allows only finite sums.
 
DeWitt seems to say that it is true
Or at least not necessarily false
 
However, if you take the direct product, i.e. allow infinite sums, then clearly $\sum_{i = 1}^\infty \theta_i$ is not nilpotent.
 
Why is it not nilpotent while it is nilponent for finite sums?
 
5:59 PM
@Slereah he said "clearly"
 
is it too obvious to explain
 
@Slereah If you have $N$ variables, then $z^{N+1}$ will always consist of a sum of monomes in which at least one variable occurs twice as a factor. Since $\theta_i^2 = 0$, $z^{N+1} = 0$.
The same argument does not work for infinite variables: No matter how high you choose the exponent, you can always find summands that survive.
 
@ACuriousMind is there a proper proof of this somewhere?
 
@ACuriousMind I'm 99% sure his whole question is why some survive in the infinte sum
 
6:01 PM
@0celo7 pretty much
 
@JohnRennie he has taken the metal as the Gaussian surface^
 
Can't prove it by recursion since it's not true for the finite case!
I assume it's a standard algebra proof but I don't know enough algebra for that
 
it shows that algbra is completely worthless
the partial sums are all zero but the full thing isn't?
 
@0celo7 What partial sums? That's a formal sum, not a series.
 
formal sums are worthless
are you gonna answer Sam's question or not
 
6:14 PM
I mean the only trick I can see is that in some cases, you'd have $\xi^1 \xi^2 ... \xi^1$
Where the two variables are separated by an infinite amount of generators
But it still seems tricky to claim that those would not be zero
wait no
I don't even think that makes sense for $(\sum \xi^i)^2$
 
Apr 8 at 20:06, by Emilio Pisanty
@Semiclassical ever edit a .bst file?
 
@Semiclassical shoo
 
@EmilioPisanty Back then, I said no and you denied I could claim to be frustrated by bibtex
now I have tried to do that, and I am frustrated by bibtex
 
Is this a decent comment?
@0celo7 False.
 
you're a contrarian
 
6:27 PM
@0celo7 ?
 
6:39 PM
@Semiclassical you can now legitimately claim that
how'd you find the stack?
 
@Semiclassical ooooh, then you didn't experience the .bst pain in full
 
tbf I'm not having to edit it much, but the documentation for the mcite package tells you to modify your bst file slightly
 
@Semiclassical how 'slightly' is that?
 
edit the fin.entry, begin.bib, and end.bib functions
 
6:40 PM
@Slereah Okay, I got it
 
note: I saved it as a separate bst file because I didn't want to risk corrupting my original one
 
Forget about my example, I think that's actually nilpotent :P
 
@Semiclassical I mean, that's always a given
 
the main problem I'm dealing with atm is that the documentation for the mcite package is kinda crap
 
@ACuriousMind Is it an example with an infinite product $\xi^1 \xi^2...$?
 
6:42 PM
But the issue seems to be that, somehow, my bib entries are entering into the bibliography with an optional argument, and mcite doesn't like that
 
@Semiclassical did you wonder why the write$ instructions are after what you're supposed to write?
 
presumably it's to do with the .sty file I'm making use of
@EmilioPisanty no
 
@Slereah Sort of. Look at $\theta_1 + \theta_2\theta_3 + \theta_4\theta_5\theta_6\theta_7 +\dots$, where the $i$-th summand is the product of $2^{i - 1}$ Graßmann variables that did not occur yet.
 
on the grounds of "not wanting to stare into the abyss"
 
@Semiclassical ah, see, that's where the all the pain is
 
6:43 PM
mmkay
 
4 mins ago, by Emilio Pisanty
@Semiclassical you can now legitimately claim that
^ I rescind this
 
lol
"It's just a flesh wound!"
 
FUNCTION {output}
{ duplicate$ empty$
    'pop$
    'output.nonnull
  if$
}
 
If you look at its finite equivalents, you find that in $2^n$ dimensions, $z^n \neq 0$ (instead I think it's $n! \omega$ where $\omega$ is the top-degree element, i.e. the product of all $2^n$ distinct variables)
 
take that as a representative example
 
6:44 PM
sure
 
so, the way that works is this:
 
Wait what
I thought it was always zero in finite dimensions
 
the main modification they have is to replace the usual fin.entry part with
 
- the duplicate$ function takes whatever is on top of the stack, makes a copy, and put that on top of the stack
 
FUNCTION {fin.entry}
 { write$
   "\relax" write$
   newline$
   "\relax" write$
 }
 
6:45 PM
@Slereah There is some exponent for which it is zero, in this case $z^{n+1} = 0$.
 
Ah, I thought it was for every exponent
That would explain my confusion
Well, part of it
 
which I took as writ and deliberately avoided thinking about it more
 
the empty$ function looks at whatever is on top of the stack, if it's empty then it puts a 1, if it's got stuff then it puts a zero
 
I think my problem is with the .sty file I'm using
 
In infinite dimensions, the pattern which makes the power non-zero for exponents smaller than $n$ continues for all exponents: Some summands cancel, and all summands that remain have a positive sign in front of them after sorting the variables in ascending order of their indices, so they cannot cancel.
 
6:46 PM
then the 'pop$ puts in a delayed instruction on top of the stack
then the output.nonnull puts in a delayed instruction on top of the stack
 
@ACuriousMind Is it that the exponent for which it's zero is a function of the dimension?
 
@Slereah Yes, as I said, in $2^n$ dimensions we have that $z^{n+1}$ is the smallest power that is zero for this particular choice of $z$.
 
well, that sounds dreadful
 
I see
Thanks
 
then the if$ function takes up the three topmost elements of the stack, looks at the third topmost and sees if it's a one or a zero, and depending on that it puts the second topmost or second topmost on top of the stack
so if the top of the stack was empty, it now runs output.nonnull and moves on
and if the top of the stack had object X, then it now has X then pop$ and it runs pop$, which takes whatever is below it in the stack and prints it out
and that's how you do simple logic in .bst language
and if you mess up and you let something slip onto the stack where you're expecting some function to find something else.... well, you're fucked.
@Semiclassical so yes.
 
6:49 PM
yeah, uh
I'm going to stick with not looking into the abyss
 
@Semiclassical =P
well, I wanted correctly-linked doi's on my stuff
you'd think that there was a style out there that did this for you
you'd think wrong, though
 
christ
 
7:11 PM
@EmilioPisanty oh hey, keldysh
(my advisor is doing lectures on that right now)
 
@Semiclassical yep, lots and lots of Keldysh
 
i basically don't know it
in other news: damnit bibtex format it the right way nggaahh
it's somehow defaulted to doing labels as [Author and Author (1992)] instead of [1]
 
@Semiclassical lolz
 
or maybe the suggested edit somehow did that? ughghgh give better documentation you basterds
 
7:36 PM
oh thank god it's not doing that anymore
 
@Semiclassical I thought natbib could do this?
without any fancy mcite stuff
 
that might have been why
I think i've managed to get it to work tho
the reason I needed mcite was because I wanted to be able to combine multiple sources into one citation
i.e. all in the same bibliography entry
woo, it works
 
8:22 PM
is it me or is $\mathcal X$ a swastika
modulo $Diff(R^2)$
 
$\chi$ looks kinda like that, too
but not quite as pronounced
 
@0celo7 It's you. Swastikas have right angles.
 
modulo Diff(R^2), Bjorn
 
Isn't a simple x one too, then?
 
I think any set homeomorphic to a disk is :O
that's it, I can only use non-simply connected letters
by Riemann mapping theorem, every simply connected letter is a swastika!
 
8:27 PM
Sooo...i, j, ä, ü, ö? :P
 
@ACuriousMind qeRioOpPaAdDgjbB
that's not a lot to work with!
 
8:39 PM
What up
 
Solid conceptual question on a issue that comes up in intro physics:
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Q: Non-constant angular velocity in orbit

SteinkampConsider a pair of objects in elliptical orbits around a common center of mass. For all considerations of angular motion and torque, the pivot point of interest is the center of mass in this discussion. The only forces occurring point directly towards the center of mass, and cannot cause a torqu...

 
@dmckee indeed, although I think your first comment should have been an answer
I mean, it would take like one more sentence to make it into a perfectly reasonable (albeit not optimal) answer.
 
8:58 PM
weez
anyone here familiar with variational autoencoders? The cross validated SE is kinda...inactive as far as providing answers...
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cry
 
 
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@0celo7 You, logic and foundations?
This reminds me, I have to register
 
i'll branch out
oh shit, you're going??
 
Well, I'll be in Rio
 
@0celo7 How very you
 
I might as well
 
11:54 PM
bring a flask my boi
@BalarkaSen nah I picked geo, PDE, and MP
 
I can guess :p
 
Why are you @BalarkaSen challenging quid?
 
@BalarkaSen The logo of my self-hosted server is pretty death-gripsy, IMO
 
no circumcised penis 0/10
 
got banned for this yesterday
 
11:58 PM
I couldn't help it, I am not circumcised
 
SE condones fat shaming
 
@BernardoMeurer I retroactively like this logo
 
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