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Q: How to ask a question on this site about specific physics problems?

John AppleHow does one ask questions on Physics StackExchange about particular physics concepts and problems without violating the site guidelines?

 
123
5:36 AM
Hi All..
Hello @JohnRennie Sir
 
Hi :-)
 
123
I have few confusion about physics sir as always :-)
 
Let's switch to Problem Solving Room
 
123
Aye Sir
 
 
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8:15 AM
for some reason the fact that total angular momentum squared depends on the maximal angular momentum state seems kind of strange... is there an intuitive way to understand this? for example for a spin 1/2 particle, the maximal spin the particle can have is 1/2$\hbar$ and the spin squared goes like (1/2)(1/2+1)$\hbar$
 
8:40 AM
@SillyGoose this is how it works classically too. If total angular momentum squared is L^2, then the maximum projection of angular momentum along any axis can be L
@SillyGoose in QM, the spin operators dont commute. This is why its 1/2(1/2+1) instead of just (1/2) ^2
 
well classically are there bounds on what angular momentum can be? i dont recall there being such bounds
 
Assuming the total is (1/2) ^2, there is a bound on the projection along any axis
 
because my confusion is that even if you have a spin-1 particle in a state corresponding to spin 0, the angular momentum squared is 2 right
spin 0 in some direction*
 
123
$\frac{1}{2}m_1U_1{^2} + \frac{1}{2}m_2U_2{^2} = \frac{1}{2}m_1V_1{^2} + \frac{1}{2}m_2V_2{^2}$
Hi All.. How can we drive above equation?
 
@SillyGoose I think you are looking at it backwards. In the derivation of this result, it is assumed that the total angular momentum has some eigenvalue. As a consequence of that, it is established that the eigenvalues of the individual spins are bounded like that
We are deriving a simultaneous basis of L^2 and L_z. We establish ladder operators that bump L_z 's eigenvalue by one, but let L^2's eigenvalue unchanged
Then we derive that L_z's eigenvalue cannot be laddered above a certain limit. This makes sense classically too because, assuming classical L^2 is fixed, the maximum value of L_z is bounded between $-\sqrt L$ to $\sqrt {L}$
 
9:22 AM
@RyderRude I think you mean just $L$, not $\sqrt{L}$
 
Yeah
 
9:40 AM
@123 Do you mean "Initial total kinetic energy = Final total Kinetic Energy"?
This equation is not true in the presence of forces
 
raf
9:52 AM
Hi, guys. How are you? Is anyone here who took the physics GRE last October?
 
 
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12:55 PM
Why do we say things like : "1. In the worldline path integral, the particle bounces backward and forward in time like and the backward paths correspond to anti-particles. 2. The backward time theta function term of the propagator corresponds to anti-particle?
Are these statements just popular folk tales? Or they have any physical interpretation /experimental evidence?
 
1:22 PM
@RyderRude The technical meaning of statements like "particles moving backwards in time are antiparticles" is CPT symmetry
I would be highly sceptical of any statements that people try to derive from just the natural language formulation, but like "Feynman diagrams are pretty pictures that show you how particles move during an interaction" this is so good a story that people can't seem to resist re-telling it even if it's really not all that helpful or correct
 
1:50 PM
"Green's function represents the probability that a particle travels from x to y, or an anti particle travels from y to x". This statement must also be a folk tale.
People should just accept that the Feynman Propagator and Feynman diagrams are just the end result of a long list of shortcut theorems like LSZ formula, Wick's theorem, Dyson Series, etc
Feynman propagator and diagrams are useful calculational tools. People should stop assigning folk tale stories to them. The underlying theory is still fundamentally describing a quantum field and wavefunctionals in general
Do you agree
 
2:49 PM
I don't even think wavefunctions are a good tool for ontology
If you start asking if a math object is real you've already lost your way
 
3:13 PM
@RyderRude No, that's pretty close - you have something like $\langle \phi(x)\phi^\dagger(y)\rangle + \langle \phi^\dagger(y)\phi(x)\rangle$ ($\theta$-functions omitted) and since $\phi^\dagger$ creates a particle from the vacuum and $\phi$ an antiparticle (or vice versa, whatever) this is the kind of amplitude "particle x->y + anti-particle y->x" - the only nitpick is that $\phi^\dagger(x)\lvert 0\rangle$ isn't literally a state localized at $x$ because localization in QFT sucks
What annoys me much more about "Green's functions" is that plenty of physicists use that as a synonym for "n-point function" when for $n>2$ those aren't Green's functions in the mathematical sense at all :P
 
3:35 PM
Thats the nitpick that made me call it a folk tale
I think people are not letting go of the early history of QFT. Back then people were trying to make sense of negative energies to make this "backward time travel" idea work
But now we understand that fields are fundamental. But some of the folk stories from early QFT persist.
@ACuriousMind yeah, they should be called n-point functions. They just happen to equal the Green function for n=2
 
@RyderRude I wouldn't go overboard here: There's a difference between stories that are actually wrong and those that are just a bit imprecise - there are senses in which $\phi(x)\lvert 0\rangle$ (or $\phi(f)\lvert 0\rangle$ for narrow $f$ if we're being nitpicky, really) is a well-localized state, it's just that "localized" is a more complicated notion than in non-rel QM
 
4:03 PM
@ACuriousMind Yeah, this story approximately works. I just find it an unnecessary story. No step in the derivation : LSZ formula to Dyson series to Wick's theorem uses this story. In the end of this derivation, we find that the Feynman propagator turns out to be useful for perturbative calculations. We then make up this story to interpret the propagator
 
Well, it is at least a good reason to call it the propagator because it approximately actually propagates something between x and y :P
 
I was really confused when they I first read that they had named this the "propagator". I thought the propagator would be the exponential of the field Hamiltonian. That would be consistent with non-relativistic qm
 
4:25 PM
There are no localized states in QFT
Also a thing to keep in mind in QFT when it comes to particles going backward in time to keep your sanity is that QFT does indeed have a privileged time direction
 
4:49 PM
@Slereah Do you mean the direction of wavefunctional evolution? Why is it privileged?
 
there are some constraint on the momentum to be on some future-directed hyperboloid
 
Oh. I don't exactly know the meaning of that
Do you think that QFT treats time asymmetrically from space? Wavefunctionals have a time parameter $\phi [\phi, t]$ but no space parameter
Scattering theory treats time symmetrically. As in, the path integral treats time equally as space
But the more general wavefunctional evolution treats time asymmetrically
 
@Slereah did you mean that the external lines are constrained to be on-shell?
@someoneinexistence hey
 
@RyderRude What do you guys do here?
 
4:58 PM
QFT isn't time symmetric, yeah
Or at least the QFT that describes our world
 
@someoneinexistence we discuss physics
 
Sure... peeks at liked comments ... sure...
 
@RyderRude I think Slereah is talking about CP violation
 
@Slereah I didn't specifically mean time symmetric. I meant "covariant" To be precise
 
due to CPT, the CP-violating properties of the Standard Model mean it's also T-violating
 
5:00 PM
Yeah
 
i.e. the Standard Model is not invariant under time-reversal
 
@ACuriousMind I mean not even that
 
this isn't a fundamental property of QFT, it's a property of the Standard Model
 
Scalar fields have C, P and T symmetry, but the momentum is still in the forward light cone
 
what momentum
 
5:01 PM
I meant "QFT isnt manifestly covariant" because wavefunctional evolution only has a time parameter but no space parameter
 
I forget the proper formulation of this in terms of QFT
 
@ACuriousMind do you think that unitary evolution with a time parameter is not in the spirit of relativity? Wavefunctional evolution treats time as special
In scattering, we take the $t\rightarrow \infty$ limits which makes QFT look covariant
 
@RyderRude why would it not be "in the spirit"? Spatial translation operators are unitary, too, so why would treating time and space on equal footing change anything about the unitarity of time evolution?
 
Thats a good point. Spatial translations are unitary too
But still, a wavefunctional is a state at a particular point of time but not a particular point of space
 
the problem with time in relativistic QM isn't time evolution, it's that you really would want to have position/time operators but there are no perfect candidates for that
that journey starts with Pauli's theorem (time can't be like position because the Hamiltonian would have to have continuous and unbounded spectrum) and gets worse from there :P
 
5:08 PM
Yeah, still i hear there are attempts at making time an operator
"wavefunctional is a state at a particular point of time but not at particular point of space". Is this an asymmetry between time and space? @ACuriousMind
 
however this doesn't mean spatial/temporal translation doesn't make sense: the momentum operators are well-defined, and they generate the respective translations after all
@RyderRude I generally don't think about wavefunctionals :P
 
Yeah, the momentum basis is a god gift. Thats what the "representation of Lorentz group" approach yields you
@ACuriousMind but don't you think that scattering theory is a very crude approximation with its $t\rightarrow \infty$ limit stuff?
 
but in general recall the following distinction: $\psi(x)$ is a state, $\psi(x,t)$ is a trajectory, i.e. a collection of states, even in normal QM
 
Wavefunctionals may be needed for general situations
 
all of physics is a pretty crude approximation :p
 
5:12 PM
@RyderRude the options are not "do scattering or use wavefunctionals"
plenty of non-scattering lattice QCD with no wavefunctionals in sight, plenty of non-eq QFT, too
the reason we want some $\psi(x,t)$ is that we want to describe the temporal sequence of states some observer will be able to measure
this isn'T an "asymmetry between time and space", it's just how physics works: We describe the world from the viewpoints of an observer in terms of a sequence of states $\psi(t)$, where $t$ is the subjective time of that observer
 
And $\psi (x) $ is a state. Just an abstract state. Not associated with any point of time
 
I mean in QFT, the choice of spatial coordinates does relate a bit to time :p
 
Well... I always think of them being associated at a point of time
 
relativity may mean that you have to be more careful how to translate between that time for different observers etc., but nothing about this means our theory somehow is "assymmetric" in time
 
It's not as innocent as it is in non-relativistic QM
 
5:15 PM
In classical mechanics too, I think of a phase space point as associates to a point in time
But then again, you can space translate it just as well as you can time translate it.
 
@RyderRude you can think about the way time works like this: When you choose a notion of time, i.e. a specific observer, this foliates the spacetime into surfaces of simultaneity. There is a space of states (classical or quantum, doesn't matter) associated to each of these spatial slices, and what we call "equations of motion" determines the maps between these spaces
when you switch to a different observer, you may get a different foliation, etc.
 
Yeah, that reasoning works. It's just that, in classical field theory, im able to treat time as just a dimension, not caring at all about its human interpretation
I think one problem is that space translations of phase space points are trivial. As in, they just look like a change of co ordinates
 
This treats time as "special" only in so far as time is something that observers undoubtedly experience and so we need to model it. You could also foliate the space into a bunch of worldlines as temporal slices and talk about spatially translating between those, but that is much less useful because observers experience motion in time, not in space (observers perceive themselves at rest pretty much by definition, after all)
 
While time evolutions are non-trivial
 
the asymmetry is in how observation works - we perceive events as happening in time, not "in space"
 
5:20 PM
@ACuriousMind and QM is all about probabilities that are observed at a point in time
So it makes sense that wavefunctionals treat time like that
 
this is a mystery only insofar as the notion of time is a mystery in general in physics, but nothing about this is really specific to QM or relativity - doing quantum and relativistic physics is just harder than classical non-rel. physics, but I don't see any fundamental difference in this treatment of time
 
QM is much more fundamentally about observations than classicla mechanics is, to the point that things like "measurement" And "observers" Are built into the definition of QM
I think this nature of QM causes clashes with GR
But there are formulations of QFT in curved spacetime
So maybe I should learn those before making these conclusions
 
there is no fundamental incompatibility between GR and QFT
it just turns out that when you try to do GR as a QFT that's not a consistent/useful theory at arbitrarily high energy
 
I hope there is a fundamental incompatibility just so we get to witness an even crazier theory :P
But it seems like there isnt an incompatibility. It cant just be a co incidence that the metric tensor has just the right number of degrees of freedom to describe spin-2 particles
 
people tend to write a lot of profound-sounding things about quantum gravity but that's all it boils down to at a technical level, really: QFT+GR in the straightforward way doesn't work at all energy scales, so if you want a "fundamental" theory (i.e. one that works always) you need something else
 
5:28 PM
I hope it something crazier than both QM and GR :P
Like, it does not just quantise gravity, but it also modifies some fundamental postulates of QM
 
Renormalization is really a theory of length scales and GR is a theory of dynamic length scales
The two butt head a bit
 
But probably, gravity will simply get quantised. Because it co incidentally has the right number of degrees of freedom for spin-2 quantum mechanics
@Slereah indeed. There is some hope that QM will get modified :)
 
5:55 PM
been having the COVID so I have not been doing much physics lately
pretty tired
 
me too
sucks
-_-
 
@Slereah tired or just unable to concentrate?
When I had it a while back I was very annoyed that after the initial bout of fever I couldn't really sleep through it but couldn't really concentrate on anything for about a week, either. Fortunately that eventually went away, too, but it was the longest-lasting symptom
 
@ACuriousMind A bit of both!
I also seem to have headaches for unrelated reasons so it does not help
 
6:13 PM
ah, well, I hope you get better!
 
all the best, pal!
 
So do I
 
A conductor has a conductivity. The conductivity relates the electric field $E$ to a current $J$. $E$ and $J$ can be parallel. They can also be perpendicular. The latter case is called a Hall conductivity. What is a good word for the parallel case? Conventional conductivity? Ohmic conductivity?
 
6:29 PM
I need to learn algebraic geometry and I need a clear head if I want to do this :p
 
6:43 PM
Ever since I have started looking into projective geometry and finite geometry it just pops up all over and I can't read any of it
 
 
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