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6:39 AM
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9:22 AM
is there anything worst in physics than having to read a postscript file
 
glS
9:52 AM
@Slereah sure. Having to read a paper written in Word
 
I'd rather have to read a scroll than a postscript document
 
I agree with glS, the Word document offends my aesthetic sensibilities more
the only bad thing about postscript is that you have to find a tool that can display it :P
 
Oh sure it looks worse, but ghostscript uses some kind of mysterious UI that my psychic powers have yet to unravel
I know how to go to the next page, and I know how to go up and down, but that's it
So if I want to go back, I have to close it and open it again
 
ah yes, gs is software from a parallel universe
 
Do you remember the show Sliders
There is a group theory reference in it
 
10:04 AM
yes
but I haven't watched it in a looong time and do not remember anything specific :P
 
Can you solve this riddle @ACuriousMind
 
no, because I'm not single-celled
I'm MULTI-celled!
 
glS
on Windows, SumatraPDF reads ps files just fine
 
It's $\mathrm{U}(4)$!
 
what
I mean, I can assigned as large an internal symmetry group to that field as I want, no?
 
10:06 AM
Sorry @ACuriousMind
 
I'm not arguing with a man who travels through dimensions
 
wise choice
 
Although my favorite math joke of this show is actually another one
Stuck in another dimension, they spend all night writing equations on the wall of their room to try to get back home
Through circumstances, the secret police comes in their home, thinking they are terrorists!
The policeman says that those equations are probably to plan a bomb or something
And Arturo retorts "A bomb would be child's play compared to this!"
 
you don't need math if you just want a bomb
you just need stuff that goes boom
 
10:13 AM
I've done some chemistry at home and I can definately tell you that I wouldn't try to make a bomb without preparing some things first
I caught fire once just trying to extract essential oils
I'm not messing around with explosives willy nilly
IIRC nitrocellulose was historically very prone to exploding factories and warehouses
Sometimes I want to try to do particle physics at home, but otoh from what I can read cathode ray tubes without a vacuum will 100% radiate X rays all over the place
So short of learning glassblowing, I'm probably not doing it
 
10:35 AM
Although I guess I could juryrig one from one of the old CRTs I have at home maybe
Fairly cheap!
 
11:02 AM
Speaking of explosives
Today is Alfred Nobel day
 
11:36 AM
do we all light a stick of dynamite in his honor?
 
My lawyer advises me to not answer this question
 
 
1 hour later…
12:55 PM
I think if I want to learn more about spacetime structures I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and read Weyl's book
He seems hard to avoid in the field
"Since the human mind first wakened from slumber, and was allowed to give itself free rein, it has never ceased to feel the profoundly mysterious nature of time-consciousness, of the progression of the world in time,—of Becoming."
We've all been there
 
1:53 PM
Yeah it really does look worth reading
 
 
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3:29 PM
Hello everyone!
Who wants to help me choose my thesis project?
 
your advisor, hopefully
 
@Slereah ahahahah I'm at the point where I have to choose who my advisor will be, so sadly that's not an option
The two paths that unfold in front of me are:
- numerical resolution of PDE to calculate the velocity of the "true-vacuum bubbles" in the early-universe phase transition
- study the Complexity=Volume conjecture in a BTZ geometry for a global quench
 
Is BTZ the 2D black hole thing
 
@Slereah yes it is, the eternal blackhole in AdS spacetime
 
I'll go with #2 because numerical is of the devil
 
3:35 PM
They both revolve around the AdS/CFT correspondence
@Slereah Why do you say so?
 
just read Revelation
"Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast"
Numbers are evil
 
hahahahaha
 
Never apply numbers to any equations, it would sully them
 
3:51 PM
@MauroGiliberti More seriously: Do you enjoy programming? Because anything numerical is likely to involve a lot of that.
 
@ACuriousMind I do: I'm not an expert of it, but every time a colleague needs something done on Python or Mathematica calls me for help, and I enjoy the feeling of finding ways and commands to "get things done" with a computer. For some mysterious reason, I find the same thing IRL (experimental physics) borderline repulsive, and I wouldn't want to stick my hands in that
But yeah programming is fine and cool
 
in that case I don't support Slereah's maligning of the numerical path ;P
the "study the XXX conjecture" thing will very much depend on your advisor, I'd say - it's very different if they have a detailed plan for how you're going to do that or if they just throw you a bunch of papers and go "read these and see if you can come up with something"
(which of these two extremes is the better case also depends on you :P)
 
@ACuriousMind Oh dang you're right
I think they will most likely throw some papers from what I've read between the lines
 
4:28 PM
nowadays when lecturers give lectures, they seem to tend to assume the students know some programs, like Python or Mathematica. But physics curriculum never has a compulsory course teaching these.
also, doing some physics experiments is easier with some knowledge of electronics, but electronics is not a compulsory course in physics curriculum, so graduates from electronic engineering or other related engineering may be better suitable to teach physics experiments than graduates from physics are.
 
fqq
obviously depends on the country/university, we had to do two whole semesters of electromagnetism/electronics labs in undergrad
 
Speaking as a grumpy old man I would expect students in a mathematical discipline like physics to teach themselves programming. I did! :-)
 
fqq
@JohnRennie we (almost) all do, often the results are not great
 
You don't have to be a programming genius. You just need to know enough to follow the code being used. Programming in physics and maths rarely reaches the levels of abstraction that is required for professional programming.
 
@fqq we have electromagnetism lab as compulsory course, but electronics is never one, but physics department isn't strict on experiments - it's easy to pass a laboratory course. it's only strict on theoretical courses.
for me, I feel like we only need to know theoretical physics rigorously, as for experiments, we can just do thought experiments because we don't have engineering knowledge to do a lot of experiments.
 
4:44 PM
Feb 27 '18 at 21:47, by ACuriousMind
@Mithrandir24601 Heh, I took a class on numerical simulations where they just started the first lecture with "Y'all know C, right?". Attendance of the second lecture was 10% of the first. :P
 
@ACuriousMind That's a pedagogical class
not even asking you to learn FORTRAN
 
@JohnRennie the main problem is that this leads to situations where some postdoc wrote a spaghetti code script 10 years ago that runs some critical piece of data evaluation and no one knows how to change it because the author is long gone
 
My introduction to programming decided to go weird instead and we learned Pascal
Which I think is some nationalist statement because Pascal was developped in France
 
people don't need to be experts at programming, but teaching them how to write maintainable code still really wouldn't hurt
 
@Slereah We had to learn FORTRAN (ugh). That was in 1980 so C did exist but wasn't as widely used as in later years.
 
4:48 PM
@Slereah the first language I learnt back in high school was Delphi, a Pascal derivate
I think this is just an effect of Pascal having been explicitly designed as a teaching language
 
Pascal is an excellent language. Better than C in many respects. It was derived from Algol 60 as I recall.
 
I will only teach in APL
 
I think liking to programming requires eyes which don't get eyestrain easily.
 
I'm fine with writing programming but most programming is not that unfortunately
It's mostly dealing with import issues a lot
 
@Slereah that wasn't any pedagogy, C was just what they used in their working group :P
 
4:56 PM
I could deal with library issues and version issues by actually learning the language/framework/whatever
 
these days I seem to get eyestrain easily from reading on the monitor, but I am not sure if there is a difference from the past because in the past, I didn't usually read on monitor that much - I usually printed out to read or the teacher always gave us paper version to read. After I used phone to get online to read serious texts or watch videos having a lot of words, I found I get eyestrain easily - I feel: how could one design so eye-unfriendly a phone for us to get online?
 
But it's not even worth it because 1) this too shall pass 2) who knows what technology the next project will be in anyway
 
eyestrain depends a lot on the surrounding lighting and the brightness of the screen - there's a reason many people like dark themes :P
also, people prone to eyestrain often need to a) learn to relax their eyes and b) take breaks from staring at the screen
I have several coworkers that run little apps that tell them to take a one minute from staring at the screen break every half hour or so
 
@Slereah hahahaha
 
One of the few advantages of being myopic is that the screen is effectively at infinity so your eyes are in their most relaxed state when staring at the screen.
 
5:02 PM
I think at least one programming course as undergraduate should be mandatory, just to introduce you to that world. I remember that during my first year I was more worried of the C++ course rather than the maths or phyisics exams.
 
@ACuriousMind does a bright or dark room where you read on monitor cause eyestrain easier? I like to keep the room bright while using computer or phone but people here seem to like to keep the room dark when they use computer or phone.
 
A bright screen in a dark room seems like a recipe for eyestrain, not to mention sleeping disorders.
 
you want the surrounding lighting to be not dark, but also not harsh or brighter than the screen
also, if you specifically get eyestrain from reading a lot of text on monitors, you might just need glasses
 
@Ratman we had a compulsory computer course in undergraduate, but that course isn't target on programming but general knowledge of computer-related subjects; it did teach us a kind of programming, which is fortran.
 
glS
@MauroGiliberti no idea if you are interested in this sort of stuff, but going by where you are placed, you have a few people that do quantum information there which I know are very good
 
5:08 PM
Presumably those of you lucky enough to have 20/20 vision could buy glasses designed to bring your relaxed plane of focus in to 80cm or whatever the screen distance is.
 
I have myopia, but I really hate wearing glasses. I only wear them when looking far away. I don't wear glasses when reading on monitor.
 
that's a pretty good explanation for you getting eyestrain :P
 
@glS you mean in Florence? Or in Italy?
 
it's easy as a short-sighted person to underestimate how much of your poor vision is "automatically" compensated for by adjusting your eyes in various ways
 
I actually asked the glasses maker to make my glasses lighter than my real myopia, because wearing too heavy glasses really makes my eyes uncomfortable, like headache or eye pain.
 
glS
5:14 PM
@MauroGiliberti I mean sesto specifically
 
@glS Whoa, who do you know? Bernamonti and Galli?
 
glS
@MauroGiliberti no, I'm into quantum information/computing stuff, don't know many qft/string theory people. I've worked with Leonardo Banchi which got back there a couple years ago, and I know for a fact that he's top notch from a scientific point of view. Lately working on topics between machine learning and quantum information, but he's also very strong on the more abstract mathematical formalism. No idea how they're organised for taking students though
Filippo Caruso is another well known name in the community
 
@glS I see, I know him! My professors told me about him and suggested to ask him for a thesis, but unfortunately I'm not that interested in technical quantum computing/machine learning stuff
 
glS
@MauroGiliberti obviously, it will depend on what you are most interested in. But just know that he's/they're not only interested on computational/ML-related stuff. He's actually very mathematically sophisticated, so to speak. Might be worth dropping them an email imo
or maybe I'm just trying to pull people away from doing string theory stuff haha
 
@glS hahaha you won't prevail!
 
glS
5:29 PM
eh, we'll see. But on a more serious note, I do think it's a hard path to take from a practical point of view. There's not that much funding, and it's hard to get a lot of papers out during the phd, which makes it harder to remain in academia afterwards. Or so I've been told from a few people that did it
people around here might know best on that front though
 
Yeah I know, but sadly I'm in love with it
not the string in itself
but AdS/CFT has something that nothing else that I've studied has. Or I mean, General Relativity and Renormalization both had that same "glow", but I couldn't pick one of the two, and AdS/CFT just seemed to fit the bill
 
glS
oh well, you've been warned =)
 
fqq
6:12 PM
the two things are not unrelated arxiv.org/abs/1902.10157
 
7:10 PM
How do I transform a field under a representation of the direct product of two groups i.e. $G \times H$?
 
7:36 PM
@DIRAC1930 given a representation $(V_\rho,\rho)$ of $G$ and $(V_\sigma,\sigma)$ of $H$ you get a representation of $G\times H$ as $(V_\rho\otimes V_\sigma, \rho\otimes\sigma)$, where $\rho\otimes\sigma : G\times H\to \mathrm{GL}(V_\rho\otimes V_\sigma) = \mathrm{GL}(V_\rho)\otimes\mathrm{GL}(V_\sigma), (g,h)\mapsto \rho(g)\otimes \sigma(h)$.
(This is a lot of symbols for what in physics notation is just "you just give the field one index for $G$ and another for $H$ and they transform independently".)
 
Thanks
 

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