12:51 AM
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I have seen a number of questions on PN-Junctions, Avalanche Breakdown, Biasing and MOS...etc, that have gone largely untouched; which is understandable, do these types of questions belong here or should they be relegated to Electrical Engineering SE?

1:13 AM
well biasing perhaps belong in EE, but others maybe they want the real physics answers?

That's a bot posting that

oh oops
hehe
thanks

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2:47 AM
Hello World..

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6:12 AM
Hi @JohnRennie Sir

@123 hi :-)

I am confused with magnetic field and magnetic force phenomenon. Many thing are clear but not fully.
In ampere law experiment compasses align in circule to show the magnetic field of wire. Compass also has magnetic field and made up of charges electron & proton.
But in beam of electron it apply force as Lorentz phenomenon perpendicular to magnetic field.
I don't understand how magnetic field behaves differently in some situations it behave as perpendicular force like in beam of electron. In other situation behave linear attraction/repulsion like in two magnets.

6:29 AM
A compass needle is a magnetic dipole, so in the first case we have an interaction between a magnetic field and a magnetic dipole.
In the second case we have an interaction between a magnetic field and an electric charge. So they are completely different interactions.

6:43 AM
Superb @JohnRennie sir. But magnetic field has always dipole. Pls clear this in both cases.
In wire how circular magnetic field can be seen as dipole.

The magnetic field of the compass needle is a dipole. The magnetic field of the wire is not a dipole.

Hey there!
Does @PM2Ring comes here?
i think he left the SE Network permanently...
Ah, last active 16 hours ago!
I sent him an invitation to h bar
@JMac Do you know a good book that covers Robot Kinematics and Mechanical stuff?
Need one for engineering tho....

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8:42 AM
I do love the questions that aren't questions at all on PSE
you can spot them pretty quick
"How come this part of the theory makes no sense and also it smells and here is a paper by a crazy man proving it is wrong"

Pentcho Valev again?

not just him
it is a whole genre of feigned surprise
except they are not good at pretending

Admittedly it used to be a pain distributing preprints before Gutenberg invented the printing press.
It used to cost me a fortune paying those scribes.

It's pretty amazing that there are now people alive that cannot imagine a world that is not instantaneously connected

omg, like, you guys didn't have snapchat?

8:48 AM
We used semaphore or at night we lit fires on hilltops.

I assume @JohnRennie used a ham radio
chatting up truckers
I remember the pre-phone era
I wasn't more social, I just read a book while walking instead

I think you mean the pre-smartphone era?
unless you're over a 100 years old
in which case good for you

I was born in a log cabin
there were phones, but it wasn't the phone era

9:09 AM
@JohnRennie Thanks. But I learnt magnetic field is never observed a monopole. What is the magnetic field of current carrying wire?

I'm not sure to be honest.
I don't know how you would express it using a multipole expansion.

Thanks a lot @JohnRennie Sir, this is problem with the magnetic field phenomenon. It is not well cleared on book also in internet. Once I understand the idea and experimental results. Then it is always easier to understand mathematics used to explain the phenomenon.
I have problem to understand the magnetic field behavior in current carrying wire. Which attract/repel another current carrying with linearly. But in case of magnetic field attract/repel electron beam perpendicular.

@123 There isn't only "monopole" and "dipole". There is a whole series of $2^n$-pole moments you can expand a function in, see Wiki. Many fields are not purely one of these poles.

Also in Ampere law experiment magnetic field it attract/repel magnetic field of compass.
@ACuriousMind thanks I see the link
I always assume in magnetic field phenomenon by magnetic field due to one object and magnetic field due to second object. Which has force effect on each other. Which should be same and completely explainable. But unfortunately it is not.

A magnetic field always exerts the same force - $qv\times B$ - on charges in it. The differences you're seeing between e.g. a wire and a free electron beam is because the electrons in a wire are not free to change their direction of movement since they cannot just leave the wire to describe a curved path like the free electrons in a beam do
There's nothing "unexplainable" here, it may just involve a bit more careful arguments than what you're used to so far

9:25 AM
@ACuriousMind yes I need experts discussion like you and @JohnRennie and this community to understand these phenomenon. Which seems very difficult to me.
@ACuriousMind pls explain what happened in two magnets case. Two magnets attract/repel each other linearly in straight line. As per Lorentz force it should pe perpendicular attraction/repulsion but it is not. What happens in this case?

@123 Think about this: Two magnets attract each other even when they both start at rest. But the Lorentz force only acts on charges that are already moving - why is there a force between magnets at all?
You seem to have tried to apply the Lorentz force directly to the magnets as "charges", but that just doesn't work at all - that's what I mean when I say you have to use more careful arguments

@ACuriousMind in magnet magnetic field due to spin of electron. It means Lorentz force only work when electron in motion and spin is not considered as motion of electron?
It means Lorentz force does not work in two magnets case. They do not behave as perpendicular force

@123 Ah well, that's now a bit too detailed - you need proper quantum theory to talk about the interactions between the magnetic field and quantum spin. Classically, you should just think of the electron as a tiny current loop (the spin corresponding to the orientation of the loop).
But even in this model (called the Ampere model) it is not easy to see how the force on the magnet arises, since a uniform magnetic field exerts only torque but no net force on a single current loop. The truth is that explaining permanent magnets and their interaction is pretty complicated, you'll have to read a proper treatment of the Ampere model to see how we usually understand the arising force classically
you have to think about the field between the magnets not being uniform, so when the torque rotates the current loops so that one part of the loop is closer to the other magnet ("higher up" in the magnetic field), there is then a net force on the loop towards the direction in which magnetic field strength increases (if the magnets attract)

9:51 AM
@ACuriousMind thanks let me read this quantum phenomenon. Also next step with theory of relativity.. Thanks
@ACuriousMind pls explain it completely so I can understand the both phenomenon.
@ACuriousMind I have an idea of QFT QED and theory of relativity. Pls explain so I can understand the phenomenon.

@123 I don't think that would be useful - I think the Ampere model is the best way to explain permanent magnets.
There aren't really "forces" in quantum theory, everything is a lot more complicated. The most reductionist explanation isn't always the best or even feasible

@ACuriousMind whatever approach you think better to explain you can if you have time. I am keenly wanted to understand this behavior. You can use multiple approach.

10:07 AM
@123 I've already given you the name of the model and a rough explanation. I don't have the time or inclination to go through the entire derivation with you, you'll have to find a text that does that.

do you have any textbook recommendations?

@ACuriousMind pls share the good link. So I can read exact article. Then I will search myself for further. Thanks

@123 I don't have a link, it's been years since I've done this

I know spin behavior in quantum theory. Quantum entanglement etc..
You can suggest any good book.

10:46 AM
Alice in Wonderland?

11:10 AM
lmao

11:24 AM
dunno what else to do?
there's more chat history here

@user85795 Flag a post (on the main site, not chat) by the account with a custom mod flag. Chat is not the right venue to request mod actions.

ok, thnx
-_-

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1:21 PM
@ACuriousMind I don't have enough rep to do that.

@user85795 ...and you are certain that you don't have an account on ELL that does have enough rep?

Is it just me or are superthings comical?
Somehow I got to the wikipedia article for Lie superalgebra and it's pretty much just "super" before every mathematical term

they were supercreative with that naming, yes
I'd much prefer we'd all stop using it and just say $\mathbb{Z}_2$-graded like proper mathematicians :P

1:38 PM
linguistics uses "super" a lot also
but, it's not at all as comical

Is quantum Hall effect some kind of phase transition?

But who wants to study "$\mathbb{Z}_2$-graded gravity" when you can be a superphysicist? :D
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1:55 PM
@user85795 what an incredible interaction

2:07 PM
@NiharKarve yeah, I got her suspended chat

@user726941 where'd the profile picture go?

@NiharKarve who knows, she wanted a meme for a picture; I think

Ah well
A for enthusiasm

A++ for making my skin crawl...
> This user has been temporarily suspended by a moderator and cannot chat for 41 days.

@DanielUnderwood we should probably just be glad this naming convention did not continue otherwise there'd be courses on megahyperultrasymmetry EXTREME.

2:21 PM
just like the UFC
though they do have super heavyweight wrestling and weightlifting also
>265 lbs or 120 kg

The year is 2150, the search for supersymmetry has hit a dead end and the search for megahyperultrasymetry EXTREME has begun at the colossaluberhadroncollider+++
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@Charlie I, for one, welcome your new hyperphysicist overlords

may they be merciful

In - Out + Generation = Accumulation

Out = Area*h*(T-Tair)*t
Gen = V*density*Hfusion
Somebody told me this
Even then I am not getting the answer
Any help in the direction is welcome
Do I post it in problem solving strategies?

2:36 PM

@user586228 You already posted it there, so I'm not sure why you're asking this.

o
It is a very quiet room
As of now..
Anyone who intend to help me there..
Can join in

physics.meta.stackexchange.com/u/283253: in less than a month, this user has upvoted 641 questions on physics meta, placing them in the top 20 voters of all time
unbelievable

doing god's work

creating a rock he can't lift?

2:51 PM
surely the opposite of god's work is constructing his own fallacies

I don't think I've even read 641 Q&A's on the main site
(like, properly)
but 600 question upvotes/month on a site that gets around 20 questions per month is a little excessive, don't you think?

yup

Some users do a lot just to get shiny badges (there's a gold badge for 600 votes)

well
you'll be glad to find out that (from a quick survey), this user has obtained this badge on 89 SE's

3:03 PM
:O

any classical intuitive example of gauge symmetry vs global symmetry?

he is insane
he's upvoted 60,000 times this month

pandemic fever

...or a well-crafted bot

3:06 PM
mhmm

@Yashas You will not find "intuitive" examples of gauge symmetries because gauge symmetries are a property of the mathematical description of a system, not of a system itself
but the classical example is of course the 4-potential of electromagnetism, maybe you could explain what's dissatisfying about that example to you?

speaking of gauge symmetry, I had the reparameterization invariance of worldsheets in string theory described as a gauge invariance, however, I've also read in a number of places that GR isn't a true gauge theory of the general linear group, is this just a similar slightly imprecise use of terminology?

oh dear here we go again

:(

::*grabs popcorn*::

3:09 PM
@Charlie My view on this is for example here, there is more discussion at physics.stackexchange.com/q/46324/50583 and its linked question

oh I was ok with the idea that gr isn't a gauge theory, i just wondered if the same argument basically applied to worldsheet reparameterisation invariance
the phrase "I was ok with" here should be interpreted as "I have skimmed"

there is also the question of what a "true" gauge theory is, since even when you formulate GR in a "gauged language", you still have that things that are not invariant under the gauge group (like the stress-energy tensor, which isn't a scalar) are nevertheless observable (the gauge symmetry is not "internal")

ok that seems reasonable

@ACuriousMind I am hearing 4-potential for the first time :)

@Yashas you should probably take a look at this first then

3:15 PM
I am a CS student. My background in physics is non-existent but I am doing stunts by taking electives like "particle physics". It's been qualitative so far and the math is yet to start but the prof mentioned that gauge symmetries/local symmetries lead to force and global symmetries lead to a conserved quantity. The only symmetries I have ever seen were in an into classical mechanics course which led to conserved quantities like angular momentum, energy, etc.

What topics can you cover in particle physics as a CS student? Most physics courses don't cover actual particle physics until final year

So I was just looking if there was a simple example I could understand. I am quite intrigued that symmetries lead to new particles. Maybe I haven't understood properly or yet to understand (the prof did say it's all in the math) but I don't know why the idea of symmetry -> particle is a bit fascinating (as of now).

Well, the simplest useful example is really classical electromagnetism.
But understanding classical electromagnetism is usually a full course on its own so I'm not sure how helpful that is to you :P

@Charlie Quantum Mechanics, Electromagnetism (no relativity), Classical Mechanics (had a bit of SR, Hamiltonian mech, Lagrangian mech), Spectroscopy & Symmetry (more of chemistry) and now doing Intro 2 Particle Physics.

I'm not sure if symmetry $\rightarrow$ particle is true, but I guess you could argue that the mathematics of Lorentz symmetry is tied very closely to particles

3:19 PM
@Yashas Ah, okay, if you know EM just not the covariant formulation, then you know the scalar electric potential $\phi$ and the magnetic vector potential $\vec A$, yes?

as in, they are co/invariant under the lorentz group
@Yashas oh ok that seems reasonable then

@ACuriousMind Yes.

@Charlie is this the politically correct way of writing Lorentz "invariance"

In that case gauge symmetry is quickly explained: For any function $f$ you can do $\phi\mapsto \phi +\partial_t f$ and $\vec A \mapsto \vec A + \vec \nabla f$ without changing the electric and magnetic fields.
This is a gauge symmetry - a transformation of the physical variables $\phi, \vec A$ that leaves all observable quantities $\vec E,\vec B$ untouched.

@NiharKarve if you use the phrase invariance wrong three times in a mirror you can summon acm like in Betelgeuse

3:23 PM
ah yes, Beetlejuice

As for "gauge symmetries lead to forces", I personally think this is the wrong way to think about things, see e.g. physics.stackexchange.com/a/370783/50583, physics.stackexchange.com/a/257100/50583

I said Beetlejuice ironically but turns out that's an alternative spelling of the movie
I somehow used to read it as "Beltugese", pronounced "Belch-you-geeze"

@Charlie I want to clarify that I have to take more science courses than an average CS student because I am also doing my masters in computational natural sciences (it's in bioinformatics) along with bachelors. My set of courses is not representative of what an average CS student would take at my uni but the intro 2 particle physics course is an elective that is available to just CS students too

oh ok

@NiharKarve 84600 * 30 / 60000 ~ upvote every 40 seconds... I don't think this is humanly possible.
makes me wonder if there are people selling SE accounts (won't be very surprising given the amount of scams I see in resumes of engineering graduates/peers)

3:34 PM
how he's been evading anti-bot measures I have no idea
I've seen the user talk on the English chat before, so there was definitely a human behind the account at some point
I guess he was later consumed by Skynet

Does anyone know how to build 3D Models from Engineering Drawing
(Don't suggest 3D Printer)
I'm lookin' cool ideas only!
Phutrixtik ideas belcom
Sed Noises

4:25 PM
I don't understand the phenomenon of nature.

get in line

welcome to the human condition

You study whole life to understand physics, and to understand physics you to understand mathematics. The whole life you life. And when you understand you become older to die.
The whole you did this, what is the benefit.
Hello @Charlie @ACuriousMind

@ACuriousMind to whom you gave the above msg.

4:30 PM
To you, but I'm partly jesting

No one can tell you what the benefit of studying physics for you is. Some study it for practical purposes, to build new machines or more accurately predict the future. Some because understanding of reality in itself, even if always incomplete and incremental, is satisfying to them. Some because they believe in some sort of innate purpose or truth about the universe they might be able to glimpse if only they understand it enough (I'm looking at you, platonists).

I am studying physics to understand, how the nature work.

The secret is that there is about two meanings to "a gauge theory"
One is "There is an extra degree of freedom that can't be solved by the EoM" and the other is "There is some connection form of a principal bundle"
The second kind is also the first kind, but not vice versa

@Slereah that's true but that's not the issue in the GR case because there you do have the spin/Levi-Civita connection
it just doesn't work quite like the other gauge theories because it's soldered to the tangent bundle and not acting in some "internal" space

4:46 PM
@ACuriousMind what topic I need to study to understand the behavior of magnetic field in amperes law and between 2 objects.

@ACuriousMind but people also call diffeomorphism invariance a gauge!
which is... kind of related?

5:10 PM
Boy AI libraries are way unstable
I'm sure they're complicated but it's amazing how something that badly behaved is industry standard
That's the real AI catastrophe we should be worried about

As a lazy weed dealer would say, why not roll your own?
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Because I'm not insane
It's a lot of work

What's the project?

playing around with GPT

5:26 PM
Welp
I thought it was a custom GR NN or something
What's happening with GPT?

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Disclaimer: Let me start off by apologizing for the blunt tone in this post. I very much appreciate the spirit of openness and hard work that underlies the development side, and I want to thank you for both the hard work in improving the UI and for the time and willingness dedicated to soliciting...

↑ important!
I'll add a pointer on our own meta

@NiharKarve You can make it say rude words

@Charlie Oops, I was going through the messages and I realized that you asked for what topics are covered in PP. I read it as what topics have I covered as a CS student.
It's not very rigorous (CS students :P) but it's fun and interesting. The only per-requisite was introductory quantum mechanics.

@EmilioPisanty oh dear

Speaking of GPT, play.aidungeon.io is reasonably interesting

5:40 PM
it's "We have other sites than SO?" time again, it seems
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@ACuriousMind indeed

and you're completely right that accomodating math formatting needs to be a feature considered from the beginning, since there is essentially no way to do it right without a separate preview
@NiharKarve I lost at least one day to that one when it first appeared :P

I tried using GPT-3 but its bulky ass will not fit in my GPU's cold heart
So back to GPT-2

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You have probably seen already a link, on the Featured on Meta sidebar, to an announcement of an upcoming upgrade to the text editor on Stack Exchange, Opt-in alpha test for a new Stacks editor. As a whole, the project looks extremely useful, and it looks like it will do a lot of good for general...

no patience for the poor meta bot :/

5:55 PM
@ACuriousMind no indeed

@ACuriousMind maybe I needed to invoke it?

it's pretty erratic with its delay
(edited for better readability on the starboard)

@ACuriousMind oh, you can do that?
nice

mod powers are infinite :P

6:08 PM
@Yashas that is an enormous range of topics for an "introduction" class lol

@ACuriousMind Given the smart-quote-breaks-all-code issue, it seems it's really more "We have other sites besides Teams?" now

true, true

I've given up on posting something many times now with the new editor because hitting Enter never seems to give me the line breaks and spacing I actually wanted
And it drives me crazy because it does it in both Markdown and non-Markdown modes

6:25 PM
@ACuriousMind ok, I'll bite. How should I report the 60,000 votes/month guy? Is he even within the jurisdiction of the mods of a single site, seeing as he hasn't violated the rules of any single community per se (even though his account shows obvious bot like behaviour SE-wide)?

@NiharKarve given that meta.stackexchange.com/q/326199/263383 is the last discussion on what perhaps should be done about automated voting it seems SE currently has no policy that says you shouldn't do this

Hmm, one of the main points there is that it's usually difficult to distinguish, so any automated counter-checks/"authoritarian" mod intervention is likely to hinder real humans in some cases. This proof for this guy using a bot is a lot more concrete though. Regardless, if there's no official policy, I'll leave it aside for now.

It reminds me of when Twitter started taking down bots a few years ago, and an old lady had her account removed. But it turns out she really was sitting down for 14 hours a day, every day, from waking up until bed, tweeting and retweeting things.

@NiharKarve you could ask on mother meta (without linking to the specific user) to ask what to do

@ACuriousMind I'll consider it, thanks.

7:01 PM
What does it mean when light has a high degree of polarization? What is the brilliance of light?

7:30 PM
@schn Is this relevant, about partially polarised light?.
I have a brief question. When we choose worldsheet coordinates, we label one of them as $\tau$, does this imply that we always embed our strings in spacetime in the same "orientation"?
As in, I assume the $\tau$ coordinate on the worldsheet has to be related in some way to the time coordinate in the target spacetime

7:45 PM
@Charlie Very relevant I think, thanks. Do you know what is meant by "streams" in "Unpolarized light can be described as a mixture of two independent oppositely polarized streams..."? Is it just waves?

I'm not certain, but it sounds like streams~beams here
As in, a "polarised stream of light" would just be a beam of polarised light

And would you say that a beam is a wave? :)

Well, a photon is (in classical EM) a vacuum solution of Maxwell's equations, which is a wave, so I guess so
I'm not sure what other information you're attaching to that statement though so I'd be hesitant to say it :P

Fair enough

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9:13 PM
So what's going on the time-sinking blackhole I just landed back on?
@Charlie Well, more like: local symmetries made global $\implies$ new fields $\implies$ new particles...

I don't really follow, is this something to do with gauge theory?

@Charlie yes

Beware, though
Not all symmetries lead to gauge fields

Indeed
But close enough if you consider only local symmetries that leads to non-trivial connection when you make them global

I'm not quite sure what's the actual condition for bumping up a mere action symmetry to a principal bundle
I guess the symmetry obeying some Lie algebra condition maybe?
probably in Henneaux

9:31 PM
You could always do it trivially. I suppose some structure beyond Lie algebras could be used, but then it is not really a gauge theory anymore, is it?

I'm sure nlab has a 5000 word article on what that would be

LOL
I'm sure that article would look super deep and interesting from afar but I won't be able to tell from up close ;)

the $(1, \infty)$ category of topoi of moduli stack of vector bundles in a supercartesian site

heck I'm remaking a new text Neural Network
Maybe I should make it generate fake ncatlab articles

9:33 PM
deep n' cat
So you're doing AI now?

I have for a while, ye

Most of my friends have jumped ship by now. It makes me wonder...

I mean, I kinda hate it
as a job it is boring and drab
but it pays the bills

lol, yeah but exactly

Computer science is basically what physics would be if before proving anything, you had to arrange all your physics books on the shelf in a specific order
Lest nothing works

9:36 PM
Still in academia now, but you can easily get stuck in a post-doc rut running after imaginary positions, you know
and I'm at a point I need to decide what to do regarding that
And as the MILA is in my city, you can imagine the pull that community has on other disciplines