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3:25 AM
@ACuriousMind What is your wake up time in morning
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4:37 AM
oh oh, D field returns
 
4:57 AM
@JohnRennie: Hello Sir, Are you there? I wish to discuss with you some basic conceptual questions in Thermodynamics.
 
@DevanshMittal hi :-)
Yes, I'm free if you want to chat.
 
@JohnRennie: Hello Sir. That is great. Thanks.
I wish to understand the reversible and irreversible processes in thermodynamics.
I understand that A thermodynamic process is reversible if the process can return back in such a that both the system and the surroundings return to their original states, with no other change anywhere else in the universe. It means both system and surroundings are returned to their initial states at the end of the reverse process.
My question is following:

Is it necessary that every slow process with no dissipative forces into it, will be necessarily reversible?
I mean, how do we judge whether a given process is reversible or not? "Slow" and "Absence of dissipative forces" are the only two and exhaustive conditions?
 
The fundamental property of a reversible process is that the system remains in equilibrium throughout the process.
 
Yes Sir, that is what I read. My question is, how do we know that?
Why that condition holds?
 
This is something of an ideal since if the system was in equilibrium it wouldn't be changing at all, so in practice a reversible process is one in which the system is very close to equilibrium throughout the process.
 
5:03 AM
Yes Sir.
 
This usually means the process has to be slow, but just being slow does not guarantee the process is reversible.
 
Yes Sir.
 
For example we could do a Joule expansion really slowly but it would still not be an equilibrium process.
 
Yes Sir.
By slow, I understand we generally mean quasi-static or always equilibrium condition.
So, if the following two conditions are met, then can we say that the process will be necessarily reversible?
1. Quasi-static.
2. Absence of dissipative forces in the system.
 
Yes I think so. I'm not an expert on thermodynamics, so I hesitate to say yes for certain.
 
5:08 AM
OK Sir. Thanks.
 
:-)
 
Sir, Can we say that the fundamental reason for the above definitions is, the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If the gas's internal energy converts even a bit into kinetic energy of the piston, then there is no way it can be given back to gas, so it will become an irreversible process.
And piston will gain some kinetic energy if the equilibrium condition is not met, so the process must be quasi-static.
 
I think the fundamental reason is that a system takes time to adjust to changes. For example consider an ideal gas. In thermodynamics we consider this as a continuous system but in reality it is a collection of gas molecules moving at a finite velocity.
 
Yes Sir.
 
If you make some change to the system that change cannot propagate through the system faster than a gas molecule can move, so the finite speed of the gas molecules sets a limit on how fast the system can react to changes.
When we talk about a slow process we mean the process happens slowly enough that the gas can react fast enough to stay in equilibrium (or near to it) all the time.
 
5:16 AM
Sir, I am not able to relate what you said, with reversible and irreversible. Could you kindly take some concrete examples to explain further?
 
I'm not the best person to ask about this as thermodynamics wasn't one of my favourite subjects and I only learned enough to get through the exams.
 
OK Sir. Thanks a lot for your time and patience, Sir.
Dear Group Members,

Could somebody help me with my questions in thermodynamics?

My questions are as mentioned above.

Thank you.
 
6:05 AM
@DevanshMittal I guess a good example would be to compare a reversible adiabatic expansion to a Joule expansion.
 
7:03 AM
Sure Sir. Thank you.
 
I guess Thermodynamics is totally not my piece of cake...
@JingleBells Wow @JingleBells, that's really a good idea. I like it. I'd pay to use that feature in Vim :)
Hello @DevanshMittal sir. Your profile says that you worked as Physics Faculty in Allen Coaching Institute in Kota?
 
7:20 AM
@Azmuth: Yes, I do. Have you been a student there?
 
Would you mind some preparation questions from me, (I'll be appearing JEE 2021, dropping this year)
@DevanshMittal No, I just wanted to ask for preparation tips and strategies.
 
@Azmuth: Sure.
 
@DevanshMittal As you know, if I target 6 month for preparation for JEE 2021 to get atleast under 1000 rank, so, taking physics in account, the most basic idea would be to split 11th and 12th Syllabus and complete each one of them, one by one.
That'd be almost 5 days for one chapter in Physics.
Are such splits good idea?
because some chapters take a lot of time to cover and some doesn't take more than a day to get over...
 
Yes. That is a good idea.
 
So, I target each chapter in 5 days?
 
7:25 AM
You can focus on those chapters more, from which more number of questions come, and which are easy to solve.
 
like 2-3 days for theory and notes and 3-2 days for solving DPP/Questions?
 
For example - Thermodynamics, Geometrical Optics, Waves, Semiconductors.
Just go through the theory fast and then jump onto the questions. If you get stuck then revise the corresponding theory again.
 
How to handle those chapters which take a lot of time to complete?
Which have a lot of theory...
 
Same. Just go through the theory fast and then jump onto the questions. If you get stuck then revise the corresponding theory again.
When you try to learn theory without context of questions, then it doesn't fit in the mind.
 
Should I only solve Mains question sheet with Advanced ones or should I skip advanced ones for last month?
 
7:30 AM
Focus only on the advanced. Mains will be automatically covered.
 
Okay...
Then what revision strategy should I make?
I tend to forget things very easily after 2-3 weeks... in such cases, how should I deal with those problems?
@DevanshMittal ...?
 
Try to absorb the concepts than just finishing the assignments. Concepts remain in long term when understood.
 
That's what I actually do, but revision schedule is worth? Because I'm not sure, after 6 months, I'll be able to recall all those which I've read today...
 
 
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8:43 AM
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Deschele SchilderI've been thrown in the penalty box because I allegedly made rude comments and I had to cool down. What happens if one is thrown in the box for a second (or third, fourth...) time? Will he/she (or I) get extra punishment on top? Is there a limit on the number of times you can be put in there? Not...

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Q: What happens after being put in the penalty box two (or more) times?

Deschele SchilderI've been thrown in the penalty box because I allegedly made rude comments and I had to cool down. What happens if one is thrown in the box for a second (or third, fourth...) time? Will he/she (or I) get extra punishment on top? Is there a limit on the number of times you can be put in there? Not...

 
 
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9:57 AM
Is it mathematically sound to index elements in an infinite dimensional matrix?
In some derivation in QM, I used Omn as the element of the operator matrix at position (m, n).
 
10:29 AM
@Yashas 1. Please use MathJax, see link in the room description. 2. Whether or not it's sound depends on how you defined $O_{mn}$.
 
10:51 AM
Indexing infinite dimensional matrix is often done, yes
 
 
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2:05 PM
@Azmuth The idea is SHIT.
Long story short, customers give false positives, they lie unwittingly. Now I'm reading a book.
 
...how can one "lie unwittingly"? If I say something untrue but I don't know it's untrue that is not usually considered a lie!
 
@JingleBells Okay....
False Positives are caused when you use same set of people for confirming features, it introduces biases...
 
2:45 PM
@Azmuth At least a loose structure to your revision is a good idea
 
 
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3:50 PM
@Charlie What is loose structure revision?
 
4:11 PM
It is being at least consistent
 
4:31 PM
oky
 
 
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6:14 PM
How does a rotation of a cube about the x=y axis look, I mean, how do x, y and z transform? I struggle to visualize it
 
6:34 PM
What exactly does the wavelength term in de Broglie equation mean?
I can recall that the free particle solution leads to the same formula. So does de Broglie hypothesis implicitly treat all objects as a free particle?
What does the uncertainty relation between energy and time mean? Measuring time?
I can think of uncertainty in energy using Hamiltonian but what's the analog for time?
 
@Yashas Yes. It's a step on the way of how we discovered quantum mechanics, not a universal law that applies to all quantum systems
 
offtopic but is it OK to cite an article whose pdf shows up on Google Scholar? Like it's not illegal or something to use it right?
 
@Archer How would citing be illegal? No one can check how you got access to it.
 
@ACuriousMind What about unethical?
 
I just wouldn't directly link the pdf - you should usually link the DOI or the arXiv page of stuff you cite
@Archer That depends on your view of the morality of the academic publishing system in the first place :P
 
6:45 PM
Alright, thanks!
Should one provide reference for every sentence?
Like, my professor has asked me to research and write about a subject I don't know anything about. So in this case I feel I should provide a refernce for every sentence I write (after paraphrasing/summarizing ofc)
 
Not really. If you quote a chunk of text verbatim, put the reference at the end of the quote. If you're paraphrasing one or several articles, put the references to the articles at the end of the paraphrase
If the entire section is a paraphrase, it's also common to say something like "In the following, we recount the results of [1], [2] and [3]" and then not mention the references again in that section.
What's important is that the reader can clearly tell what part (if any) is your own original work. If the entire thing is clearly a review of extant literature that's of course not a real concern.
 
@ACuriousMind what's not a real concern if the entire thing is from other people's works?
 
YMMV, of course - universities and journals can have their own idiosyncratic guidelines for how to do citation, check any that apply
 
Is time something special in QM? Can it be treated just like position or momentum? the energy-time uncertainty (with the defn used) gives the same factor of $\frac{\hbar}{2}$ so maybe there is some connection with other observables?
 
@Archer I mean you don't need to be careful about pointing out your own original work if there isn't any
 
6:53 PM
Okay.
 
@Yashas Time is not an observable
 
@ACuriousMind Why can't it be treated as such in theory?
 
look at joshphysics' answer to the question I linked - the $\Delta t$ has nothing to do with a time operator.
@Yashas That's commonly known as "Pauli's theorem" - if time were an operator, it should be one with fully continuous spectrum like position and momentum, but since it would also have to be conjugate to the Hamiltonian, the Hamiltonian would have to be, too, but energy is always bounded from below and usually at least partly discrete in realistic systems since there is a ground state.
 
7:32 PM
Isn't this wrong?
Aren't most potentials actually quadratic when you only have small changes?
oh wait
no
I'm stupid
oops
quadratic around it's minima. Small displacements are linear anywhere on the potential.
 
8:13 PM
@ACuriousMind How do you give a reference for a very general thing, say like a well known example. Can the reference be omitted for such things?
 
8:34 PM
If we have multiple time dimensions, all symmetric to time translation, would it mean on the Noether-theorem, that we have multiple energies as well?
 
8:57 PM
@Archer if it's like textbook-level well-known it's okay to omit the reference or just give one at random, but for research-level things it's usually expected that you cite the original paper - that's how certain papers get thousands of citations: They did something that was fundamental to a subfield and then basically every paper in that subfield cites them in their introduction.
 
 
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10:51 PM
Is there a conventional metric for stars in the sky, based on their RA and dec?
 
11:07 PM
I have problem in that gravitation by distribution of mass
in that example why is $\cos(\alpha)$ there?
sorryI think i need to ask in another chat
ok other is not active as well
; _;
 
11:22 PM
@Stupidquestioninc Imagine you only had one of the masses, say A, there. In that picture they're calculating the force F on the mass C in the direction of the point O. Since the attractive force from A points in the direction of A, the force F is the component of this attractive force in the direction of O, which is $F_{CO}=F_{CA}\cos\alpha$.
 
yes i know may be i forgot f=fcosa ah I remember from inclined plane (palmface)
@Charlie thanks
 

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