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3:06 AM
@SirCumference at first i was surprised, but i'm not actually sure those are all that far off
 
3:25 AM
@heather they say the left is when you first hear about QM and GR. the right is when you get to the math
 
 
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4:34 AM
If energy is real and not merely an abstract accounting system: It is a constraint in physical phenomena in order to limit how it occurs. Thus when it gets too low, the less readily it will occur
Now its relation with entropy is intuitively obvious
 
4:50 AM
@Secret Sometimes I encounter loose discussions of how more entropy means energy is more "spread out"
 
5:15 AM
@Secret I mean it's defined mathematically
Not sure what's really "real"
 
5:42 AM
@AaronStevens yeah, but that is technically a wrong analogy. Demonstrating a counterexample to this is very difficult because you need some kind of system with many degeneracies to show it "anti spreads" (I once read about that in a PSE which I forgot where I have bookmarked it now)
@SirCumference I guess the loose definition of "real" is it is empirically testable. So like, I can say electric fields are consistent with observations because when an electron is placed near a negatively charged source, it get accelerated away in a specific pattern dependent on where it is
Likewise, I can say energy is somewhat indirectly testable because the system behave in a way as if it is bounded above and below by some parameters, so something like how intense that phenomena is is proportional to how much relevant parameters are tuned or something
 
i mean it's like asking whether numbers are real or abstract
 
that... is a much tougher debate
 
a number isn't a physical thing, but it can be used to represent something in everyday life
 
I am pretty platonist in mathematics for example
and true, such as potential infinity captures a limiting process
 
if you ask me, i'd say the terms "position" and "acceleration" (as physicists use them) are also mathematical, defined as elements in $\mathbb{R}^3$. it happens that $\mathbb{R}^3$ can be used very intuitively to represent what we see everyday
but if i were developing physics hundreds of years ago, it might not have occurred to me how good R^3 is at this
i dunno, at this point i'm philosophizing
 
5:56 AM
I think there is something mathematical about the way human intuition evolve under the long course of history
which might predisposing us to think in terms of mathematical models to explain real life phenomena
 
in my experience, every definition in math exists to either formalize an intuitive idea, or solve a problem
otherwise a definition isn't seen as useful
doesn't need to be a physical idea in particular, just any concept
but when math is developed this way, it becomes clear what's useful in building physical models
 
Yeah, I think it is only set theory that started to go really abstract. Even category theory, as abstract it is, is made to capture interrelation and commonalities between mathematical objects
Most of mathematics is really abstraction of intuitions
like fields are defined based on the intuitive observation on how numbers combined together, and numbers are first made to formalise counting
 
 
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12:18 PM
@NovaliumCompany Have you ever been a Physics student?
 
@Knight Yes? :D
 
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Q: Understanding the relationship between $P=F/A$ in brain ventricles

PazeHumans have a hollow space inside our brain where cerebrospinal fluid is produced and circulated. A disease exists called "normal pressure hydrocephalus" in which this space is enlarged, but pressure remains the same. I recall reading a paper in which they describe that as $P=F/A$, even though ...

 
12:34 PM
@NovaliumCompany Why all physics student became a programmer?
what's the matter?
 
12:46 PM
@user8718165 What you have removed brother?
 
@Knight I used physics as a means to widen my view on the world, I've never wanted to become a physicist, nor do I want to become a programmer.
 
@NovaliumCompany You want to be a revolutionary?
 
@Knight I don't know what that means. I like business, entrepreneurship, technology, AI and so on... I'm really interested in superintelligence.
 
@NovaliumCompany Wow.
@NovaliumCompany Do you programmer need mathematics for your work?
 
@Knight In my experience with programming (and it's quite a lot) I've never needed any complicated maths.
 
12:56 PM
@NovaliumCompany Do you people need the knowledge of electric circuits?
 
@Knight What?
 
@NovaliumCompany Like transistors, semiconductors, wiring ?
 
I think I'm somewhat familiar with those yes. Not the maths tho.
Electronics is huge part calculation and maths, but I've somehow managed to do what I want without that.
 
Is it necessary to have the knowledge of electronics for computing ?
 
@Knight For programming no
 
1:06 PM
@NovaliumCompany So how can programmers do programming? Computers is just a mathematical machine run by electronics and you have told me that both are not mandatory for programming.
 
You don't need to know electronics to program in python, java, C++ or anything else.
If you are talking about programming microcontrollers than yes, it requires electronical knowledge.
 
What are microcontrollers?
 
You can google, I'll go take a nap sorry
 
1:44 PM
@Knight In simplest of the simple words, IC Chips (just work like computers, have processors) to use in electronic devices involving binary signal processing module.
 
2:33 PM
Trying to write about measurement in GR was a mistake
It's 1) very poorly written about 2) extremely tedious
it's so baaad
 
2:58 PM
@Knight because of abstraction. The whole goal of high-level programming languages is to allow the programmer to work without knowing exactly how the 'guts' of the computer work. The idea is that there are layers of abstraction to make less and less computer-specific knowledge necessary as you go up. So you start with hand manipulating the logic gates, which no one wants to do, and then you get farther up and there's assembly language, and farther up and there's C (and then Python and such).
And the amount of math you need to know depends strongly on application. Writing a text-based game is very different from simulating some physical system, or doing something with graphics.
 
I sort of hate high-level programming?
It has turned into me taking more time to look up if what I want to do can be done with an existing function than to do it with a for loop
I mean I guess it's more aesthetic, but it's very tedious
 
3:13 PM
@heather What’s the difference between those guys who work on screens and those who work on very big wires,
 
Trying to make notes on Laurelle's nonphilosophy. Have absolutely no idea what I am reading
 
Challange: Write a single sentence with 3 times the word because to get a reward!
Sometimes theoretical physics is beautiful too.
 
3:32 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha I won't because it's really stupid because it doesn't make sense to me because I don't find it.
 
@NovaliumCompany I told ya to write a sentence with because, because because can never be used more than 2 times in any english sentence.
 
@Knight What do you mean by "work on really big wires"?
 
@JMac home wiring.
 
3:44 PM
It's stupid to write it because it would mean that I have to waste time and I don't want to because I'm busy doing other stuff and you should also be because it's not good to waste your time.
HA
 
@NovaliumCompany Because you can't start a sentence with because, you are getting bored because you want to start one! :)
Use Aurodino Uno Microcontroller (perhaps they have BT support)
Adafruit 360 works great.
 
I will use Arduino Uno
cuz it's a prototype thingy
Can I put my 12 inputs into the digitals of the Arduino?
 
@NovaliumCompany <>
 
cuz there aren't enough analogs
 
@dmckee sorry sir but i wasn't able to understand your comment here.
This one-"Compare to any other unstable equilibrium.".
 
4:00 PM
@JohanLiebert Dispersion forces are the reason for the unstable equilibrium.
@JohanLiebert Electron moves, thus creating unsymmetry
@JohanLiebert Movement of electron far from nucleus causes unsymmetry.
@Semiclassical Good evening sir :)
 
User Jmac claims this site is about mainstream physics. Perhaps it should join religion SE then, because there are an infinite set of lines that can go through any finite set of points or observations. Does physics presume that after 500 years of empiricism and many upturnings of the field, that NOW it's finally "figured it out"?
 
@JMac Comment on the court's verdict.
@theDoctor You should join Biology SE then.
 
@theDoctor the site is made for mainstream physics because it fits q and a format deviating from this leads to discussion which we don't want to produce.
 
Why so silence?
Let's talk alien shit here.
@JohanLiebert yap
 
@AbhasKumarSinha yesterday i saw an alien 6 feet tall!
 
4:10 PM
@JohanLiebert Which youtube channel?
 
@AbhasKumarSinha pewdiepie?
 
@JohanLiebert he's himself an alien.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha yes i was talking about that one though I'm not sure of its height!
 
@JohanLiebert he's nipple height tho
 
@AbhasKumarSinha lol!
 
4:15 PM
@JohanLiebert klol
 
@AbhasKumarSinha how was the day?
 
@JohanLiebert bit rain, tense, black and white
 
@AbhasKumarSinha lets move to general chat.
 
@JohanLiebert A bulk non-polar substance works because evey part of it is non-polar. Any perturbation can be expected to spread.
 
@JohanLiebert AAAAWKEI
@dmckee Thanks sir :)
 
4:18 PM
@dmckee understood (partially) thanks!
 
@dmckee I fully understood sir :)
 
@JMac By wires I mean the way AM Turing was working with his Christopher . Once I saw an image of a supercomputer and all I could I see was big big wires and something like bank locker and a man working on it
@AbhasKumarSinha What you mean?
 
@Knight nothing.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha Are these random thoughts a blessing from God given to you?
 
@Knight Court's verdict.
 
4:25 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha What? Who’s verdict? And what is court after all?
 
@Knight long story, leave it.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha Make it short and tell only the main points.
 
@Knight Mutual funds are subject to market risks, read all scheme related documents carefully!
 
@AbhasKumarSinha Are you transferring me some money? How much?
 
@Knight about a 10 billion KG
 
4:28 PM
@Knight $-10^{100}$
 
@JohanLiebert That's too much! with $10^{100}$ as rate of interest.
I've a very long story, may be helpful to you both, but I'll keep it for some other day.
 
@AbhasKumarSinha no just some random negative number
 
@JohanLiebert with positive rate of interest.
@JakeRose Hello :)
 
Hi
 
@JakeRose Which grade you read?
 
4:33 PM
?
 
@JakeRose class? standard.
 
What?
I don’t understand what you’re trying to ask me.
Are you asking me my level of education?
 
@JakeRose Which grade/class/standard?
@JakeRose yep
What should I ask to you then?
 
I’m in my third year of university.
 
@JakeRose Oh, then what you'll do in 4th year?
 
4:35 PM
My masters degree
3 year bachelors, 1 year masters.
 
@JakeRose Masters in what?
astrology?
 
Astrophysics or mathematics
I specialised in astrophysics for my third year
But I’m more of a quantum guy
 
@JakeRose How many moons orbit a degenerate energy levelled electron?
 
What?
Please stop with nonsense talk. It is unwelcome in the chat.
 
@JakeRose Correct answer, I was testing you if you understand the question or not.
@JakeRose Awkey.
@JakeRose Can you prove existance of antimatter?
using Diarc's equation ofc!
 
4:38 PM
Then it’s a stupid question, because someone who had no experience in the field would still say “what?”
The Dirac equation doesn’t ‘prove’ antimatter exists.
It’s merely a solution that has been experimentally observed.
 
@JakeRose it's solution does -_-
 
thats very different to a proof
 
@JakeRose -_- (merely a solution)
@JakeRose yepp
@JakeRose Tell me the next lunar eclipse.
 
There’s plenty of solutions to plenty of equations that aren’t physical.
 
@JakeRose of what?
 
4:39 PM
And they certainly don’t ‘prove’ they can exist
Of lots of things
E.g. when talking about quantum barriers that stretch to $\infty$ you ignore the growing exponential term because it’s unphysical
 
@JakeRose let's not go too much to philosophy...
@JakeRose Can you write schrodinger's equation for cylinderical coordinates?
 
It’s not philosophy. It’s physics.
 
@JakeRose Both start with P
 
Probably
Never had to
 
@JakeRose definitely!
@JakeRose awkey
@JakeRose Can you solve GR Questions?
(without using field equations)
 
4:43 PM
I mean
That’s the most broad question ever
I have taken a course in GR
And I have had to solve problems in GR as part of it
 
in Problem Solving Strategies, 3 hours ago, by Abhas Kumar Sinha
Prove that : $$ \nabla R_{\mu u} = \nabla { 1/2 g_{\mu u} R } $$
can u?
 
Could you rewrite the question
 
@JakeRose ok, PT: $$ \nabla R_{\mu u} = \nabla 1/2 g_{\mu u} R $$
is that okay?
$R_{\mu u}$ is Ricci Tensor, $g_{\mu u}$ is metric tensor and $R$ is Ricci Scalar.
I define $\Gamma$ in terms of $g$ Tensor for flat spacetime.
 
What is the nabla?
 
@JakeRose $\frac{\partial}{\partial x}$
 
4:49 PM
What
That
Is just wrong
 
@JakeRose operator.
@JakeRose why?
sorry, I'm confused tooo...
 
$\nabla = \partial_i$
 
@JakeRose ok
 
Did you just change it to x
You originally had it as a time derivative
 
@JakeRose yep
 
4:51 PM
Why would you want to take the normal partial derivative?
Generally you consider covariant differentiation as it preserves the tensor properties
 
@JakeRose not partial derivative, but divergence.
@JakeRose yep yep.
 
What you wrote is not the divergence
 
@JakeRose IK short hand for divergence.
 
But
 
4:52 PM
You haven’t written wrt to what index
So that’s a bad convention
Especially when you’re not writing just a singular letter
 
@JakeRose field space...
@JakeRose ik
 
What?
 
What you wrote is not a divergence
 
@JakeRose div = nabla
@JakeRose leave that partial derivative
you are getting confused with dat.
 
4:55 PM
No
The divergence isn’t defined that way
 
What you wrote for the grad operator is wrong for gr
 
@JakeRose okay. then how?
@JakeRose -_-
 
Covariant differentiation is defined using the metric connection
It’s not just a partial derivative
 
@JakeRose oh yes, I forgot, sorry....
 
4:56 PM
It’s cool
 
@JakeRose Okay, you try to solve it, I've to go, I've a lot of homework today :)
 
I’d say if you’re struggling with basic things like that, then you should return to the groundwork definitions and properties of tensors
 
@JakeRose k
 
Without having a good understanding of how tensors work and what the symbols mean you’ll struggle to play with things like the Ricci tensor
 
@JakeRose ok
 
4:59 PM
There’s a pretty good set of notes by Ryan Barnett on the internet somewhere
Would recommend
 
@JakeRose ]okay will look at that :)
 
5:13 PM
@AbhasKumarSinha Today you have crossed all limits of a funny guy. You’re the greatest
 
6:06 PM
Is $\delta(k-p)$ Lorentz invariant? k,p are two 4-vectors. anyone?
 
 
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7:51 PM
@theDoctor Religion SE is about religion, not physics. That suggestion doesn't make any sense. There's nothing in physics that suggests the current mainstream is everything "figured out". It just suggests that it conforms with the current best understanding that has been verified in the mainstream. If you don't want to talk about mainstream physics, you are better off finding a site that wants to handle non-mainstream physics.
 

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