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2:10 AM
Can anybody try understand me Maxwell's equations (as i'm beginner in electro magnetism ) so i can understand how ME could not satisfy principles of relativity
 
vzn
2:57 AM
@user2723984 hi, there are some new fluid dynamics models + experiments, check em out :)
 
3:56 AM
@kartikc.p Hmmm ... well the first thing to be clear on is that Maxwell's equations do satisfy the principle of relativity as we currently understand it (i.e Einstein's way). They fail to satisfy the principle as it was understood in the nineteenth century (i.e. Galileo's way).
But putting that to the test is not trivial. Just how advanced are you in your studies? Can you show that Newtonian physics satisfies Galilean relativity?
 
4:09 AM
As an aside, those nineteenth century physicists had enormous competence in the math and dealt with very complex problems in perturbation theory and the like.
@tttt The classical reason for the "breadth and depth" approach in US higher education is that you are being educated to be a community leader not a specialist.
In that understanding you need broad exposure to engage with people in all walks of life and deal with ideas in policy and community with some sense of what to expect from various approaches.
Of course, one could argue that the expectation that college-education implies community-leader is a bit outdated, and I wouldn't disagree; but I remain a fan of the approach because of what it can do for the student as a whole person.
You have a long working life in front of you in which to achieve deep technical mastery; it will likely be a quite a while before you next get a change to really dig into the broader meat of human intellectual accomplishment.
 
 
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5:32 AM
9 hours ago, by ACuriousMind
But I do think "closed timelike curve" is a good formalization of time travel. It definitely means an observer can have an event both lying in his own subjective past and his own subjective future.
It still intrigues me that GR actually provide no mechanism to produce CTCs from otherwise flat spacetime
 
 
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6:36 AM
Hi friends, If anyone are aware about single pole cole cole equation model, I am curious to know about the permittivity at infinite frequency. Here's the link
The Cole–Cole equation is a relaxation model that is often used to describe dielectric relaxation in polymers. It is given by the equation ε ∗ ( ω ) = ε ∞ + ε s − ε ∞ ...
 
@Blue I thought at least ECE students would have to learn SR. Although you're implicitly learning it while studying Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism :)
@SirCumference AFAIR, at maximum you learn how to solve the Schrödinger equation in one dimension in an infinite potential well in first-year engineering colleges in India (without understanding the axiomatic structure or perspective, just deriving the results). It's mostly similar to the material studied in Serway and Jewett/Resnick Halliday Krane
 
7:27 AM
@dmckee I just wanted you to explain ME equations.
I easy way
@dmckee in easy way
 
There isn't really an easy way to explain Maxwell's equations. Unless you're comfortable with vector calculus they are basically hard.
If you want to study them I can recommend a book, but you are looking at a fair bit of work.
 
 
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8:36 AM
@ACuriousMind Depends which oneeee
 
...does the maximally extended one have CTCs or something?
 
@ACuriousMind no
 
@ACuriousMind There's a quotient of the Schwarzschild solution with CTCs
And it's also not time orientable!
The so called elliptic Schwarzschild metric
Basically you identify the black hole and the white hole
 
Sure, if you identify two points along a timelike curve, you get a CTC. That's not surprising :P
 
"elliptic Schwarzschild metric"? Have you got a link for that? When I attempt to Google it I just get hits for elliptic coordinates.
 
8:40 AM
Well, it's not always possible to do :p
@JohnRennie It's in some 60's paper
Lemme see
 
On a mildly related subject, a commenter has just pointed out you get a horizon in the Schwarzschild interior metric for constant density when the object radius $R = \tfrac{9}{8}r_s$.
 
Yeah that's the limit density IIRC
That's the point after which you can't stop the collapse
 
Presumably that's because you can't have a static solution under those conditions so the Schwarzschild interior metric is no longer a good description of the geometry.
 
Hm, hard to find the elliptic schw. metric again
It's one of those unpopular thing
 
Or is it because the interior metric ignores the pressure term so it ceases to be a good description when the pressure term becomes significant?
 
8:45 AM
I think it popped up like once in 1961 or something and then was never talked about again
IIRC people were mildly interested in the fact that maybe you could avoid singularities with it but it's so awful that they didn't carry on studying it
 
@Slereah or your alleged recollection of it might be due to studying GR after one too many bottles of wine :-)
 
How cliché
I mean really it's not terribly hard to construct
It's one of those "classic" non-time orientable spacetime
Take the Schwarzschild metric
Apply a quotient constructed from 1) time inversion and 2) an involution
such as a rotation by $\pi$
By a classic theorem that spacetime is non-time orientable
This is possible since Schwarzschild is static and spherically symmetric
Just using the map $$(t,r,\theta, \phi) \to (-t, r, \theta + \pi, \phi)$$
 
9:05 AM
@JohnRennie book?
 
@kartikc.p let me have a quick search through my books ...
 
@JohnRennie Are you a student?
 
Simply askin
 
I recall this as being pretty good. As I recall pdfs of it are floating round the Internet though I can't comment on their legitimacy.
 
9:09 AM
@JohnRennie is that book for beginners
 
@kartikc.p I finished my degree in 1983 and my PhD in 1986. I haven't been a student for three decades :-)
 
Hmmm.
 
@kartikc.p you need a firm understanding of calculus. You haven't said what stage of the educational system you've reached, but to be honest you need a firm grasp of calculus for all the interesting stuff in physics.
Assuming you're happy with calculus you'll find that book easy going.
 
@JohnRennie I am still in school
@JohnRennie can we learn calculus on our own
 
Anything is possible
 
9:14 AM
@kartikc.p I don't think school level calculus gives you enough of a foundation to understand Maxwell's equations. You really need a good understanding of vector calculus.
 
I mean you need to be able to solve partial differential equations
a bit challenging
 
You can certainly study this on your own, but I suspect you'd find it hard going unless it's something that really fascinates you.
 
@JohnRennie ,@Slereah I thought physics is all about imagination and some mental effort
 
@kartikc.p sadly physics is mostly about hard work.
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Even old timers like me have to really sweat to learn new stuff. I've been trying to learn QFT but have so far failed to make much progress.
 
@JohnRennie Then why did you choose it
 
9:18 AM
He's a nerd
is why
 
@JohnRennie QFT ?
 
@kartikc.p because it's absolutely fascinating. When I first started to learn about general relativity I had to sweat for several hours a day going through my GR book. But now I know enough about to see how it works I find the subject absolutely delightful.
 
@JohnRennie I think you had done it
After completing 10 grade , do we have any courses that could put me in physics
 
@kartikc.p Maths is the number one skill you need. Work on aceing your maths courses and you'll find physics comes naturally.
 
9:33 AM
@JohnRennie how many hours did you have for physics when you were 21 or 24
 
@kartikc.p I was doing my PhD from ages 21 to 24, so I was concentrating on that and not doing too much general physics. During my PhD I worked much all the time I could, but it didn't feel like hard work because I loved doing it. My PhD was mostly experimental so there was lots of lab work involved.
 
@JohnRennie You still love physics?
 
No, he only stays here to warn us never to learn physics
 
@Slereah lol
 
@JohnRennie Do many people begin a PhD at 21? It sounds early
 
9:39 AM
@kartikc.p I'm retired now so I only do it part time for fun. I love GR and I'm sure I'd love quantum field theory if I could only learn enough of it. Electrodynamics and hydrodynamics have always struck me as profoundly boring, but other physicists disagree with me on that point.
 
what part of QFT ails you
 
@Slereah I don't know about John Rennie, but for me it's the Q
 
The Q?
oh
Well it's on a Hilbert space?
Hence the
quantum
 
@user2723984 back in the day you did a three year degree starting at age 18, then a three year PhD. Both degrees and PhDs take longer now, but then they've discovered a lot more physics since I was at university :-)
 
They hadn't found electricity yet back in the days
it was all levers and pulleys
 
9:41 AM
I remember chatting to Euclid about his fifth postulate
 
I fee like , i am the only noobe here
 
@kartikc.p we were all 10th grade once. It's just that it was a long time ago for some of us :-)
 
@JohnRennie I family is not supporting me to have physics career.
 
@ACuriousMind forks and knives are masculine
obviously
spoons are feminine
obviously
 
forks are feminine
as is obvious
 
9:46 AM
@Slereah since when do you side with the Germans?
 
@kartikc.p I get the impression that there is a lot of pressure on Indian students to do engineering. For now I'd just concentrate on your schoolwork and see how it goes. Anything could happen in the next couple of years.
 
@EmilioPisanty 1941
 
@JohnRennie yeah I am waiting for it
@JohnRennie my academics are very poor so they are telling me you are not fit for physics
 
@kartikc.p What age is grade 10 in India? 16?
 
9:50 AM
@JohnRennie 15
 
I don't think it's possible to tell at age 15 whether someone is going to be any good at physics.
What I'd suggest is concentrate on getting good grades because that will keep your teachers quiet. Then if you find it interesting read books on physics in your own time. I don't know if you have a library close by, but if not the Internet is a great source of physics books these days.
 
@JohnRennie. Here a country like India we struggle to learn English
 
English is the international language for physics these days so you have to learn it. But physics books use a rather specialised subset of the language. I don't think you need to be a fluent English speaker to understand a physics book.
 
@JohnRennie. I have lot of books of physics. And I am learning . I don't care schools
 
But the key thing is to study whatever you find interesting. Only start reading physics books if you're enjoying it.
 
10:09 AM
@JohnRennie can you tell me more about contaction of rod in SR
@JohnRennie as my brother was partially interested in physics , he got many books of physics
 
@kartikc.p have a read through this:
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A: "Reality" of length contraction in SR

John RennieLorentz contraction is easy to understand once you realise that it is not a contraction at all. Instead it is a rotation and the length of the object, or more precisely its proper length, doesn't change at all. To see this take the usual example of a rod of length $2a$ aligned along the $x$ axis...

But I think that at age 15 special relativity is a bit ambitious.
 
@JohnRennie what about your academics when you were at school level
@ when did you started learning SR and GR , at what age?
 
I didn't start learning SR until I went to university at age 18.
 
10:24 AM
@JohnRennie You are really helpful for me thank you
 
@kartikc.p you're welcome. I'm always willing to chat about physics.
If you want to ask anything I'm usually here from around 5 a.m. to 1 p.m. UK time. I think that's 10:30 to 18:30 Indian time. There's no point in pinging me outside those times.
 
11:16 AM
@JohnRennie you mean we need more maths than our mental effort towards understanding the concept
 
@kartikc.p yes
The thing is that the maths provides the foundation that you need to understand the concepts involved.
It's tempting to think that understanding the concepts matters more than the details of the maths, but the reality is you need the maths to understand the concepts.
 
Enstien said it's enough have imagination
@JohnRennie enstien said it's enough to have a imagination
 
@kartikc.p the trouble with quotes like that is that Einstein was a very gifted mathematician and was good at maths from a young age. So he was speaking as someone who always found maths easy.
 
@JohnRennie yes I will push my self hard in holidays to learn basics of calculus and I ask help ( That's for sure)
 
@kartikc.p I very, very strongly advise you that if you're studying in your own time then study only what you enjoy. If you're studying what you enjoy then you'll find it relatively easy and it'll be fun so it's easy to keep yourmotivation up.
If you enjoy learning calculus then go for it. If not then study something else.
 
11:57 AM
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12:08 PM
@Slereah I think there is a discussion and possibly your reference in arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0209120
 
12:19 PM
This looks so funny
and that kinda explains why it has been such a long time I refuse to use the ignore function of the chat because chat is unreadable when a conversation stream happens betwene multiple users who are hidden
Luckily the transcript has the full thing to ensure continuity
On an unrelated note: I don't think age 15 is a good indicator. My physics interest literally skyrocket starting from that age because of a very good high school teacher after the previous one who is boring
@ACuriousMind Non science actually had quite a big influence on our thinking. Before I explore fine art, I will never thought of feymann diagrams when I saw random light shows
It's basically how I came up with this question
@kartikc.p My advice on studying mathematics is to grab a nice textbook or web source, and heaps of heaps of paper to write things on. Unlike most subjects, maths cannot be mastered by understanding alone, it has a significant "do stuff" component on it
 
@student that's elliptic de sitter space though!
Similar construction
But not quite the same
 
It also helps to figure out whether you are aligned more to algebra or calculus subjects, because that will give yourself some idea on what is your usual thinking style and thus can adjust it accordingly when learning the other subject
 
12:46 PM
@Slereah right, I thought I remembered there was a more general discussion of closed timelike curves in these types of spaces, but perhaps not
 
user351417
1:01 PM
I had a quick question... in relativity, one typically calls $x^\mu=(x^0, x^1, x^2, x^3)$ spacetime coordinates, right? But does the term refer to the mathematical structure itself, or the physical meaning? i.e if we consider something like $x_\mu=\eta_{\mu\nu}x^\nu$, would we call $x_\mu$ a spacetime coordinate too? Or is there a different name? I think the difference is the reversal in the sign of the time part, which means their physical meanings are different, but does that change the term?
 
1:14 PM
Spacetime is just one of the many kinds of pseudoriemannian manifolds thus I think they will be simply called points and coordinates
 
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1:30 PM
@GodotMisogi Aye, that's true. :)
 
@Slereah says you! Most of our professors never required us to solve differential equations unless is was something basic in classical mech
Though I didn't really agree with that approach
 
@danielunderwood They should!
 
Or basic Schrodinger equations
 
it's like one of the most important thing in physics
 
Yeah that's what I think. I think it was partially due to ordering of courses though. We had differential equation courses, so I suppose the professors felt that it wasn't needed in physics courses and some students may not be familiar with them if they hadn't taken the math courses
The second part may have been partially valid though. I had a terrible linear algebra course and my QM knowledge suffered a bit from that
We did do the integral versions of Maxwell's equations of course, but those require some symmetry to get anything out of
 
1:38 PM
Antenna theory in EM is full of really awful PDEs
for all manners of wacky antenna shapes
 
Sounds like mathematica's problem to me!
Or MATLAB
 
Oh trust me
Can't trust Mathematica for any PDE too fancy
 
All hope is lost
 
There is ONLY ONE HOPE
 
Of the differential equations we did solve, I always got a kick out of the solution 90% of the time being "we're going to guess a potentially complex exponential solution...oh look it works!"
 
1:41 PM
Well pretending the solution is some exponential is the basic method
$f(x) = e^{g(x)}$
 
Oh yeah, one of my professors liked the method of "some Russian guys put it in a book"
huh I've never thought of doing that with a general function in the exponent
It's always been go to a series if $e^{\alpha x}$ doesn't work
 
@student I literally talking about basics of calculus
 
@kartikc.p good for you
 
2:05 PM
Does anyone know what this Econophysics all about? Is it worth studying/pursuing?
 
@danielunderwood: There's an operator algebra method for linear differential equations too
 
@SwapnilDas The applications of methods from physics to economics
aka "doing math"
 
@Slereah Hi, Have you read it?
 
Not really
I own a book on path integrals with a chapter on economics
that's about the extent of it
 
Was it interesting?
Like there's no point of doing anything if it isn't - (1) Interesting and (2) Beautiful.
 
2:11 PM
Vaguely?
Basically it was just applying stochastics on economics
 
Ic.
 
I mean you know, it's a science topic
it's as interesting as you will find it
 
@Slereah Guessing an exponential with the exponent having a functional dependence looks like it'll give you an unnecessarily complicated functional equation to solve
 
@Slereah Hmm. Have you read Stochastic Calculus?
 
Maybe as complicated as that sentence
 
2:12 PM
@GodotMisogi Depends on the diff eq
but quite often in physics it helps out
 
I am still to learn any of the known rigorous physics, but what I find is that Stat. Mech. is by far the most beautiful subject I have ever encountered in my life.
 
$$ (D^2 + aD + b)y(x) = 0, \; D = d/dx$$
where $a, b$ are constants
Assume: $y(x) = e^{g(x)}$, then:
$$ (D^2 g(x) + [D g(x)]^2 + aDg(x) + b)y(x) = 0 $$
 
why is $y$ still there
 
Because it can be the trivial solution $y(x) = 0$
So you get a nonlinear second-order differential equation in $g(x)$, which looks like a mess, assuming $y(x)$ is a non-trivial solution
 
2:27 PM
@Secret no i'm not grabbing whole mathematics . but basic parts of calculas . Can I able to cover basics own my on . Thing is I'm a beginner
 
@Slereah For a first-order linear ODE, I think you get the same differential equation in $g(x)$, which doesn't make it any easier
The only place I've ever really seen the constant changed to a function is in a gauge transformation of a field, and not really in a DE
 
@kartikc.p Basic calculus should be pretty fine. Just do more exercise besides understanding things like derivatives, integrals, limits
 
IIIIII am engineeeer and I having good time now
Physical calculate? What does it mean, I don't know
You know learning by doing? Well I do and you learn
Let me make my work here first and then it is your turn
I feel really well, I get paid more for you
cause I am an engineer and who are you, repair creeeew
 
3:10 PM
does is always hold that $\operatorname{tr}(\vert\psi\rangle\langle\psi\vert)=1$?
 
@ShaVuklia only if it's a pure state
Although if you're writing it like that then it is yes
 
yea, I was talking about pure states indeed
is there a quick way to show this?
 
Well I mean
You can write out the trace explicitely
and decompose the state into eigenstates
 
ah
i see!
thanks
@GodotMisogi did a biologist just call physics trivial btw?
 
\begin{eqnarray}
\operatorname{Tr}(|\psi \rangle \langle \psi |) &=& \sum_i \langle a_i |\psi \rangle \langle \psi | a_i \rangle\\
&=& \sum_i c_i^* c_i
\end{eqnarray}
Which is indeed equal to 1
 
3:22 PM
@Slereah ah, I actually wasn't aware of this formula for the trace
 
What did you think the trace meant
 
I only knew the finite-dimensional version i guess
so just the sum of the diagonal entries of a matrix
 
Beware, though
Bewaaaare
Trace isn't defined for all operators
In infinite dimensions, anyway
You require trace-class operators
 
right
I will keep that in mind, thanks
that it's not always defined
 
It's useful to know for the Stone Von Neumann theorem
 
3:27 PM
@Slereah what ?
 
ah right
yea, I can always appreciate generalisations, so this is nice to know
 
3:45 PM
@GodotMisogi you mean like a generic method of how people solve the QHO by factoring or something different?
 
3:58 PM
Can anybody help me understand this summation?
It’s the one with a<b
i just don’t understand where it comes from
(ignore my notes on the right)
 
Well, note that $F_{ab}=-F_{ba}$ by Newton's third law, then $$\sum_{a\neq b}r_a \times F_{ab}=- \sum_{a\neq b}r_a \times F_{ba}$$
 
Yep get that
 
now since we're summing on both $a$ and $b$ we can just call $a$ $b$ and $b$ $a$, just swap the name of the indices. so you have $$ \sum_{a\neq b} r_a\times F_{ab}=-\sum_{a\neq b} r_b \times F_{ab}$$
so $$ \sum_{a\neq b} r_a\times F_{ab}= \frac{1}{2}\sum_{a\neq b}(r_a - r_b)\times F_{ab}$$ and you can get rid of the $1/2$ by summing only on $a<b$
 
I don’t get the inequality
And where does the half come from?
 
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4:07 PM
Oh no I get the half
 
at this point you have a sum over $(r_a - r_b)\times F_ab$, notice that this is symmetric in the exchange of the indices, if you swap $a$ and $b$ you get $(r_b-r_a)\times F_{ba}=(r_a-r_b)\times F_{ab}$, one minus sign from the third law and one for rearranging the terms in the parentheses
so by summing over all pairs $(a,b)$ you're counting everything twice
 
Okay got it, but how o you go the the other summation involving the inequality?
 
if $a$ and $b$ went from $1$ to $3$ you'd have terms summing over both $(1,3)$ and $(3,1)$, but those terms are exactly the same, so you can restrict yourself to the case where $a<b$ and multiply by 2
so that instead of $(1,3)+(3,1)$ you have $2(1,3)$ which is exactly the same
 
Oh and the sign isn’t affected because $F_{13}=-F_{31}$
 
yes, so the sign from the $F$ and the sign of swapping the $r$ in the parentheses compensate each other
In general if $T_{ab}=T_{ba}$ you have $\sum_{a\neq b}T_{ab}=2\sum_{a<b}T_{ab}$
which is mildly useful sometimes
 
4:15 PM
You have to be summing over the other indices too though don’t you
for that to be valid
 
what other indices?
 
the b
 
no it's true regardless
 
Oh yeah igy
 
@enumaris Damn you and your internet-transmitted cold, I've spent the entire day in bed and I still don't feel quite alive :P
 
4:17 PM
try a simple case with $a$ and $b$ from 1 to 2 or 3 to convince yourself
 
Man that’s really insightful thank you
 
@JakeRose You look at all terms of a symmetric matrix with zero diagonal. You can count the whole matrix, or simply count either side of the diagonal twice.
 
^ yes that's a nice way to see it, if you had to sum all the terms of that matrix you would just sum half of it and multiply by 2
 
4:38 PM
@user2723984 do you know why the sign on the bottom is like that?
 
vzn
@SwapnilDas am a fan!
@SwapnilDas it is far deeper than anyone realizes. for example its emerging as a candidate for comprehensive "hidden variable theory" for QM.
 
(No, it isn't)
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I have three data points and I have an equation with one unknown parameter. How do I go about determining the parameter?
 
least-squares fit would be the standard approach, no?
But three data points are really...not many :P
 
but I have just three points
and it's experimentally determined value
 
4:43 PM
@Yashas what equation are you trying to fit?
 
If you had one less there would be a perfect fit, always. That is, you're as close to overfitting as you can be without actually doing it
 
@JohnRennie extended Debye Huckel law
 
I remember studying that 40 years ago? Something to do with decay of potential at a surface?
 
it relates mean activity coefficient with the concentration
 
@Yashas ah yes, and what experimental data have you got? Activity coefficient as a function of ionic strength?
 
4:47 PM
I have mean activity coefficient and the molality of KCl used.
very dilute solutions
 
Hey I'm a newbie but I was thinking... why hasn't anyone properly proved the laws relating to friction? I mean everyone knows that it is f=uN and its supposedly explained by static electricity.. but nobody has really proved it
 
@Yashas So plot ln(gamma) against sqrt(I) and you should get a straight line. Yes?
 
@JohnRennie yes for Debye Huckel but I need to verify against the extended version
 
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which doesn't give a straight line without some transformation
$$\log_{10}\gamma_{\pm} = -\frac{A\sqrt{m}}{1+B\sqrt{m}}$$
 
4:49 PM
@TheJadeEmperor Physics doesn't "prove" things. It provides useful models for predicting reality.
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@ACuriousMind This question you migrated Looks like homework dump
 
I have $\gamma_{\pm}$ and $m$
and $A$ is taken as $0.509$ since it's in aqueous solution
so I have to just estimate the value of $B$ using the three data points
 
@ACuriousMind touche
 
@Yashas So plot 1/ln(gamma) against sqrt(m) and you should get a straight line ...
 
@ACuriousMind drink lots of water
and if you have a sore throat, honey+hot water really helps
 
4:51 PM
@TheJadeEmperor the firctional force is only approximately proportional to load. Real life is a lot more complicated than that. See the answer I've linked above.
 
Well, not a copy/paste but still a good target for closing
 
@Mithoron If it's not on-topic for your site I'm sorry and will keep that in mind in the future.
 
Ah, I did not realize that I could plot the reciprocal of the log. Thanks.
 
@JohnRennie yeah I did! Thanks!
 
I am losing basic algebra skills due to excessive theory stuff consuming all of my brain power :'(
 
4:52 PM
F
 
@Yashas it would be 1/ln(gamma) against 1/sqrt(m) of course ...
 
@ACuriousMind No need to be sorry ;) We'll see how CV will go and others think about it
 
@enumaris Sure. It's still not very fun :P
 
@ACuriousMind a number of my friends are off work with colds. Probably a coincidence, but it makes me wonder if international travel is now so frequent that cold outbreaks have become intrnational affairs.
 
Sid
@JohnRennie also, because weather.
 
4:58 PM
@Sid the link between weather and cold outbreaks is a somewhat controversial one.
 
Sid
Why controversial?
 
@JohnRennie Well, my roommate had it a week ago and his girlfriend is sick now, too, so I don't think I can blame international travel :P
 
@Sid Because if you're a normal healthy human your immune system is not going to be seriously compromised by cold weather.
The theory I've heard is that cold weather makes people stay indoors more so they spend more time in close proximity and hence spread colds more efficiently.
 
There's lots of folklore around colds. It's basically an accepted fact around here that sitting in the draft between two open windows will give you a cold :P
 
@ACuriousMind rubbish ™
rhinoviruses give you colds, not cold weather.
 
5:02 PM
I mean the confusion is already in the name, isn't it? 'Cold'. Of course a cold has to come from cold weather, why else would we have named it that?
Checkmate, atheists evidence-based doctors.
 
Anonymous
I mostly get colds during the weather transition period (from hot to cold or vice versa) rather than during the cold reason. Also, I sometimes get a fever after getting wet in the rain often. I don't know if has a solid scientific basis though,
 
It has to be conceded that colds and the cold are empirically related :-)
 
@ACuriousMind yeah, I feel u bruh
 
(disclaimer: I too have a cold but rather than being bedridden I am merely being inconvenienced by the large flows of snot)
 
Sid
I am lucky I don't have a cold. Yet.
 
5:05 PM
@Sid your time will come!
 
Anonymous
> The traditional theory is that a cold can be "caught" by prolonged exposure to cold weather such as rain or winter conditions, which is how the disease got its name. Some of the viruses that cause the common colds are seasonal, occurring more frequently during cold or wet weather. The reason for the seasonality has not been conclusively determined. Possible explanations may include cold temperature-induced changes in the respiratory system, decreased immune response, and low humidity causing an increase in viral transmission rates, perhaps due to dry air allowing small viral droplets to d
 
I think I've heard that cold weather does something to your sinuses which may make you more susceptible to getting a cold
but I have no idea if that's just bunk
 
> The reason for the seasonality has not been conclusively determined
^
 
Anonymous
@JohnRennie Such a shame! Our string theorists should put their heads into basic biology stuff first. ;)
 
@Blue :-) Though I am 99% certain that ACM was being facetious :-)
 
5:09 PM
I don't think noroviruses come from the tenth dimension
 
Anonymous
@JohnRennie This wasn't a joke on ACM. :P
 
@ACuriousMind what about the 11th?
 
@enumaris That'd be M-viruses.
 
M'virus? Does it wear a tiny fedora?
 
They give you M-disease, and no one knows what the M stands for
@enumaris lol
 
5:11 PM
I've never had norovirus. I have had diarrhea‎ but I put it behind me.
 
Anonymous
Oh, the phuns!
 
:D
 
6:01 PM
@JohnRennie Yes. It's −8 °C here. If there would be such a link, we would all fall ill here.
 
6:14 PM
Any matplotlib users here?
 
@enumaris a spoonful of honey and vinegar is what I usually use. Never tried honey and hot water though
 
I do honey and hot water and sometimes some lemon juice
really soothes my throat
salt water gargle also works, but it's not as nice tasting
 
6:30 PM
Lemon juice is a good solution. It hurts for a moment, but then the original soreness is gone.
This stuff is pretty nice too: traditionalmedicinals.com/articles/tea/…
Never mind the branding. It's just a nice combination tea that feels good on a sore throat.
 
6:44 PM
well I put the lemon juice into the hot water + honey mix so it just modifies the taste a bit
no pain
all soothing
 
7:10 PM
welp, there's been no movement on my story identification question...seems like it's too obscure XD
 
 
2 hours later…
8:54 PM
gonna find out in a couple of hours if they matching the offer or not...mmmm
 
9:53 PM
@ACuriousMind Philosophy :P
@tttt Dude wth is with your profile
XD
 
 
2 hours later…
11:33 PM
gosh dang it...I feel oh so conflicted...
 
11:45 PM
@enumaris As a contractor, do you get paid bonuses? Also, did you found a your own company and are then paying yourself dividends, or what's the common setup?
 

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