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Secret

12:00 AM

Another Slereah bomb coming right up: This time it's Sabine Hossefelder's new book

danielunderwood

On The Turing Completeness of PowerPoint (SIGBOVIK)

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Secret

will release it later

Names are just class representative of the underlying same object

enumaris

guess I'll head out :D

latahz

vzn

12:26 AM

@Secret huh? what about it? didnt see slereah say anything about it. just bought a copy of Hossenfelder from amazon, should be delivered soon, maybe even in this big opened box next to me :) :P

Secret

12:41 AM

I vaguely recall Slereah or 3 other people talked about Lubos and then talked about Hossenfelder

Jun 14 at 16:01, by Albas

@JohnRennie Hossenfelder's book

Anyway, Hossenfelder get on my nerve ever since I heard about your (and many other non trolls) ghost silencing by her in her blog

I am glad I don't have to experience this myself, otherwise I would have get the government to put her on constant monitoring or something

dmckee

@Blue I would not, personally, categorize Excel in the Turing tarpit.

But I might use it as a boundary marker.

The point, though, is that excel can do a lot without requiring a huge level of sophistication from the users.

Secret

vzn: In my moral system, silencing a non troll is much worse than genocide, because of how an uncaring society is really where most of the human suffering is came from

dmckee

Certainly it contributes to, rather than hiding and controling the complexity of big problems, but for a substantial domain it makes the easy problems easy.

Secret

this btw, also affect my political ideal of against government and media censorship

dmckee

Not that I'm a huge fan of excel: I consistently recommend that anyone embarking on (or seriously considering doing so) a career in the physical science learn some real analysis environment instead of using excel for everything.

Secret

12:57 AM

The reason why silencing, ghosting, and more generally censorship of media is so bad is because often times, you can do nothing about it

You can still file a lawsuit or something in response to a murder. The aforementioned three acts are the ultimately get out of jail free card, because there exists no effective measure to control them

dmckee

Something that knows about sophisticated fit functions. Something that routinely reports on the errors of fit parameters and tells you about correlation matrices. Something that produces figures you could submit to a journal for publication without embrassment.

danielunderwood

We had to use excel for our freshman labs for least squares analysis. I remember it being rather miserable. Now the real question is what you think about the companies that request your resume in word format lol

Secret

Anyone who silence, are automatically god and nobody is able to harm a god

They have absolute freedom to do whatever they want and nobody will be powerful enough to stop them

danielunderwood

And unfortunately, I feel like the majority of users don't have an idea what a fit/measurement error is

dmckee

Most users will never understand fitting. But every physical scientist should know enough to appreciate the difference between what Excel does and what a real fitting package does.

Cup Fever

2:53 AM

Football's Coming Home @JohnRennie :-)

vzn

3:17 AM

@Secret lol internet is sometimes not a place to build ones self esteem. agreed, silently deleted comments a lot like ghosting! & they are even supportive! omg geez! thx for the empathy man :) yes there was an extended conversation about hossenfelder but dont think slereah said anything. shes all about dissing string theory & slereah doesnt seem to relate to it much but others do, and shes mostly rejected on here so far. ps also bought becker + "string theory for dummies" :P

@Secret so am implicitly in the nontroll category, thx for that. :) although whats the difference between a troll & nontroll? similar to the difference between black + white right? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology) ☯

Secret

The degree I hate silencing is I would rather have 10^10 holocausts than to see one silencing to happen. I am also willing to destroy the planet than to see one silencing to happen. It is the most coward and inefficient thing of human nature that nature ever encoded into us

vzn

@Secret lol (can still relate some) & youve never even been suspended in chat have you? D:

Secret

A troll will purposely annoy people for amusement, they are not genuinely asking question or answering question, but just to provoke

@vzn I have been suspended thrice. I knew what I am doing

vzn

@Secret ouch, was not aware of that. sorry to hear it. am a bit )( surprised.

Secret

In this entire world there are only two things that can agitate me: Unexplained silencing and its antithesis the trolls. I am still trying to look at ways to break physics so I can erase both from existence forever

vzn

3:28 AM

@Secret lol in less dramatic areas hows the phd going? what do you do for fun? having a good summer so far?

Secret

(Although to be honest data loss is also quite infuriating, lol). As for my PhD, we just had a big meeting which my cosupervisor provided some solution on solving a nagging convergence problem, thus it is slow but steady

We are super lucky that the problem that has been hindering us for 2 weeks is a research topic of my cosupervisor roughly 2 years ago, thus she knew exactly what it is and how to solve it

vzn

nice/ cool

Secret

otherwise, have been mingling with many political parties in Australian politics

as well going to art galleries

vzn

art huh? what kind do you like? like it lots too, collect some, like outdoor art festivals

Secret

kinetica anniversary show 2017

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I tend to like scifi impression artworks such as installations

and also abstract art that is not Picasso

vzn

3:36 AM

re scifi/ robots etc, like sculptures, have collected a few, have seen these 1sthand recently luv it, wanna buy it but its kinda pricey henrycesneros.com metalsouls.com

Secret

Those sculptures you linked are too figuratively obvious to me to like them

These's also a category of artworks which gives me a strong feeling of being immersed in an alien world, but those are rare

It makes you forget that you are human and that you are a physical entity

vzn

lol you said you liked scifi! this is also a fun site, have spent $100s on it over the yrs, esp like wild blacklight ones, luv surfing the site allposters.com massive inventory o_O

Secret

allposters.com.au/-sp/Even-Flow-posters_i14621845_.htm

Nice beach scene of surfing boards

Mikhail

What are some heretical physics views that you folks hold? For example, I don't believe spatial incoherent fields are separate from temporally incoherent fields.

vzn

@Mikhail hi/ lol maybe you came to the right place, or maybe not. the question is not coherent to me :P

Mikhail

3:43 AM

I want a list of well thought out items to mess with some friends

vzn

@Secret yeah really enjoy the beach scenes/ surfing related ones, some are just extraordinary wave photos, awe-inspiring/ breathtaking

@Mikhail lol try this all painstakingly cooked up recently but it might be too well thought out for your taste/ situation, but it is certainly certifiably heretical (or maybe just "certifiable") :P vzn1.wordpress.com/2018/05/25/fluid-paradigm-shift-2018 vzn1.wordpress.com/2017/09/08/… vzn1.wordpress.com/category/physics

Secret

What is a spatially incoherent field?

Mikhail

@Secret ocw.mit.edu/courses/mechanical-engineering/…

Slide 3 for example

People confused the instrument with the field properties, kinda

@vzn reads more like a diary

vzn

@Mikhail lol (is that like a blog?) :P yeah have heard that. its full of hundreds of refs but yeah people somehow miss those :P

Mikhail

@vzn I'm sure you're well aware of the deficiencies :-)

I wonder if you can print screen those and send them to archiv

vzn

3:51 AM

@Mikhail fits in with the heretical quality dont you think? people relate to the emojis also (eg one "cohort" teenager zoomed in on those in his feedback a few nites ago)

Mikhail

Problem is that I like the Copenhagen interpretation

Also fuck states

vzn

@Mikhail then you are (already) ill suited to countenance heretical ideas.

Mikhail

What if I don't believe in photons, only classical E&M. Actually, that is pretty retarded because you can count photons.

vzn

@Mikhail and yet you like copenhagen interpretation? this is not heresy its more like contradictions.

Mikhail

That won't trigger people, because they've already heard it

Secret

3:54 AM

I think the distinction between the two depends on whether the incoherence is along the direction of propagation vs perpendicular to it

Mikhail

@Secret no

vzn

@Mikhail oh believe me its extremely triggering and the chat transcript copiously proves that (its free to search). and actually its really cutting edge heresy :P

Mikhail

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might give it a try

I'll do my usual, Born approximation sucks thing, given that its an approximation its hard to say i'm wrong

Maybe something about reversibility, but what

Secret

if it is parallel,then you expect the incoherence to show itself due to the irregularity in the frequency of the wave resulting in the phase difference between two periods of the wave to differ

vzn

@Mikhail looking over the ref (interesting), yeah it seems like the idea theres a spectrum would not be controversial.

Secret

3:57 AM

if it is perpendicular, then the phase along the horizontal direction of the wave does not have a fixed correlation, result in less interference

Mikhail

You guys are confusing realizations with the underlying distribution, maybe

vzn

@Mikhail the ref itself supports the idea of various continuums (vs distinct categories)...

Mikhail

Literally, everything in that ref is wrong, its the Kool-Aid I feed undergrads

vzn

@Mikhail lol looks solid to me. "wrong"? — heresy? (oh, sounds as if you wrote it?)

Mikhail

I didn't but I've wrote similar stuff

vzn

4:02 AM

@Mikhail looks quite rigorous. cant find anything to criticize about it on superficial skim. (MIT OCW written by some of the top profs in the world although it has no direct attribution.)

Mikhail

For example, in slide 11/26 Iout (top equation), at its literal interpretation, you have a illumination (dot) in the center of your microscope field of view for any object (literally a dot multiplies your object, this doesn't happen).

Basically, the derivation only works if you set the object to be a delta function, and assume you're imaging with a point scanning con-focal microscope

The correct image formation model is bilinear and given by Hopkin's (so called TCC coefficients). Because its not easily diagonalized, its only used in semiconductor manufacturing as a forward model.

vzn

@Mikhail it seems to just be taken out of books, some old, some cited. standard known stuff.

Mikhail

Its the Kool-Aid we give to undergrads, its not actually true :-)

Semiclassical

there's a slogan I like: "education is the art of telling smaller and smaller lies"

vzn

dont drink the purple koolaid™ (old california/ silicon valley/ dotcom expr)

Mikhail

4:07 AM

ANYWAYS, I need stuff that will trigger people

vzn

@Mikhail and why is that? (now coming to mind, coincidentally we were just discussing trolls, maybe thats more along the lines of what you could use...)

Mikhail

Maybe that vacuum fluctuations are the real luminiferous aether ?

vzn

@Mikhail lol (again coincidentally) we were discussing similar ideas in here recently wrt "dirac sea". my blog basically asserts that (or something very close) if you read it closely.