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Is there a way to remember whether to define the EM tensor as $F^{i0} = E^i$, $F^{ij} = - \varepsilon^{ijk} B^k$ or whether to define it as $F^{i0} = E^i$, $F^{ij} = \varepsilon^{ijk} B^k$ or whether to define it as $F^{i0} = - E^i$, $F^{ij} = - \varepsilon^{ijk} B^k$ or whether to define it as $F^{i0} = - E^i$, $F^{ij} = \varepsilon^{ijk} B^k$?
@EmilioPisanty My original intent is to give the people a help line, whose question was about physics on the common sense, but not on the site rules. From the point of this intent, the exact wording of the close reason is not important. To have a consensus behind any wording is important.
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@peterh Moderators can change close reasons; it requires a CM to establish a migration path to another site.
 
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@DavidZ Thanks!
 
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@BalarkaSen that's a somewhat eccentric precis.
 
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user228700
08:18
Morning!
hello
how did the nerdfighters date go @Kaumudi.H?
user228700
@Kenshin x'D 1) I don't believe it was s'posed to be a date per se, 2) It was scheduled for June and 3) I'm not going.
oh why aren't u going for
user228700
In the first place, I think it's a bit weird, the whole thing; we both know very little about each other and I think he hopes that we can get to know each other quite intimately while I don't.
lol what makes you think that?
cos he's a guy?
and by intimately you mean intimately?
user228700
08:24
@Kenshin No. I mean that he hopes to grow close as friends/other.
user228700
@Kenshin 'Cause he told me.
oh, why don't u want to be better friends?
user228700
I, erm, I know next to nothing about him, he's much older than me and I have no intentions of making intimate friends online.
oh yeah that makes sense
I think like a group nerdfighters thing would've been much betta
user228700
In the second place, my mom agrees and told me that I shan't go :-P
08:26
lol
user228700
@Kenshin Yes, it would be great!
user228700
He's as old as you, actually. I wonder why he wishes to make intimate connections online but oh, well...
how old is he/
user228700
25.
oh yeah
too old bro
user228700
08:28
@Kenshin Well, yes of course, for dating but I don't know what he wants. Anyhoo.
yeah he just wants friends
u said
@Kaumudi.H online helps ppl with like minds to connect
this can be harder in real life if you have a rare mind
user228700
@Kenshin Right, which is why I absolutely love to be part of communities with the same/similar passions as me but this one on one intimacy thing is...erm, no, thanks.
did he use that word, intimacy?
cos that means like doing it
but yeah I'm with ya on this one
user228700
@Kenshin Haha, no, he didn't use that word and I also mean it in the normal sense.
user228700
@JohnR: Hi! :-) Only one more week to go woohoo!
08:47
@Kaumudi.H the end is in sight!!
user228700
More so now than ever before! A week! :-D
user228700
This time next week, I will be...sheesh, I don't think I'll know what to do with myself.
user228700
I'll be going back to Kerala for 10 days though.
(and no this is from the economist, I have decided to cut down the number of links I share here in response to recent advice. But this one is worth a read, even if very lengthy. Perhaps, it will help us all to find some of the lost leisure time)
The world will be a better place if we understand the correct attitude we should have in face of time
@Kaumudi.H take your pushbike! :-)
user228700
08:58
How though? I'll be going by train.
Can't you take a bicycle on a train?
In the UK you can't just wheel the bicycle into the carriage because there isn't room, but there's usually a special compartment where you can leave a bicycle.
user228700
@JohnRennie Hmm, I'm not sure if this can be done here.
In France there's a limit of one bicycle per train car
user228700
In any case, I won't be stuck at home this time! There will lots of travelling via train and car to visit other places.
09:02
@Kaumudi.H it's worth asking ...
user228700
I think we're going to my father's place and then to Munnar as well.
user228700
@JohnRennie Ask to take my bicycle?
Bottomline (I think?) : Why we are always busy=Illusion of rising scarcity due to overcompetition in our economic systems, and also actual scarcity due to declining natural resources resulting in rise in cost in most areas
Munnar is so nice
user228700
@Avantgarde Ooh, have u been?
09:03
yeah, long back
@Kaumudi.H yes, check on the train company web site, or ring and ask.
user228700
But I'm only going to be at "home" for a day. We're going to go to several other places as well.
user228700
...and carrying my bicycle around to all those places will be exhausting and unnecessary, really. I won't be cycling around Munnar for sure :-P
@Kaumudi.H Ah, OK, it's not like the last time you were there then? When you were stuck at your grans house with nothing to do?
user228700
No, not at all :-)
user228700
09:06
It will still be quite boring but I think I'll just take a bunch of books to read while travelling.
true physicist right there
@Kaumudi.H: BTW I went to an Indian restaurant last night
user228700
Ooh, nice! What did u have?!
Let me guess, you had saag and paneer?
09:07
or chicken tikka masala
user228700
Ooh, fancy (schmancy)!
@Kaumudi.H hang on, let me check exactly what it was ...
Hyderabadi Gosht
Diced lamb cooked with ginger, garlic, coriander, peppercorn & whole red chilli, finished
with hyderabadi sauce.
ah, did you like it?
And my friend had:
King Prawn Harapyaz
King prawns sauteed with ginger, black pepper, green chilli and spring onion.
user228700
@JohnRennie Ah, nice. Was it good?
09:10
Now I'm hungry
user228700
Say, how did he/she/you pronounce harapyaz? :-P
@Kaumudi.H Both meals were really nice. I'm unconvinced they bear much relation to anything you'd actually eat in India. I suspect they're tailored to British tastes.
user228700
Right, right. What did u have for dessert?
Possible
My friend didn't attempt to pronounce Harapyaz - he just pointed to it on the menu :-)
user228700
09:11
x'D But how would you pronounce it?
As it's written ...
hara-pyaz means green-onion literally
hara as in harass and pyaz as in, erm, I can't think of an English equivalent.
@Avantgarde aha, thanks. It did have lots of onion in it, and it was green ...
user228700
09:13
@JohnR: I'm looking at the menu and wow, very few vegetarian dishes!
Vegetarianism is a minority pastime in the UK.
user228700
@JohnRennie Ah, I see...
In most restaurants the vegetarian dishes are something of an afterthought, though there are of course restaurants that specialise in vegetarian food.
You a vegetarian, Kau?
user228700
Yep.
09:15
I don't eat animals, only human flesh
Wald's method of doing non-linear operators in QFT on curved spacetime is fairly involved
which paper? or the book?
user228700
Oh, no, my connection to the internet is crumbling!
a lot of wavefront sets and algebra
user228700
Oh, JB is in the country today!
09:22
Seems like a nice, math-intensive paper for QFTCS. Thanks, might have a look
it is
Although you might want to read a few of his other papers beforehand
Since he references a few
Got it
You going, Kau?
"On the renormalization group in curved spacetime", "The formulation of quantum field theory in curved spacetime" and "Local Wick polynomials and time ordered products of quantum fields in curved spacetime"
Spoiler : normal ordering doesn't work in curved spacetime
user228700
@Avantgarde Hahahaha, nope x'D
These 3 are cited in the review too, right?
09:26
Who knows
it's a big old bibliography
He also references the hamburger problem
the most delicious problem
lol what is that
Do you want to, kau?
In mathematics, the Hamburger moment problem, named after Hans Ludwig Hamburger, is formulated as follows: given a sequence { mn : n = 1, 2, 3, ... }, does there exist a positive Borel measure μ on the real line such that m n = ∫ − ∞ ∞ x n d μ ( x ) ? {\displaystyle...
The guy's surname was Hamburger! haha
user228700
@Avantgarde It's a bit weird that u refer to me using "kau" but no, I certainly don't want to go.
The descendant of many a Hamburg citizen, one assumes
09:29
@JohnRennie It's true!
Where is balarka sen, I need someone to talk about art,

*3 seconds later* O here he comes
Did you read MS Fnd In a Lbry?
@Kaumudi.H What about Kaumudi? I was using shorthand notation lol.
@BalarkaSen Raskolnikov kills one person. Yes he does compare himself to Napoleon but the context is about the moral issues in taking human life not about Napoleon.
He kills two, doesn't he? I know, I was just trying to be funny.
The motivation behind killing is to see if human choice can be put to the limits of moral and ethical standards.
09:32
Just the old woman - unless I've misremembered the book (which is certainly possible).
He also kills her sister because she stumbled upon the scene by accident.
@BalarkaSen ah, yes, you're correct and I had forgotten about the murder of the sister.
what a fantastic piece of novel tho
@BalarkaSen Yes I did. I had read it before. I started reading SF in the early 70s so I've read a lot of the stories from the 60s and 50s. That was in the days when the volume of SF published was small enough that you could still read most of it!
@BalarkaSen meh, angst isn't really my thing.
09:38
I suspected that you are a sci-fi buff. Cool, good to know you read it :) Hal Draper is a Marxist socialist, so it's certainly interesting when he writes a science fiction short story (clearly satirical) so I gave it a read
I thought it was very good.
@BalarkaSen yes, it's well written and for its time the idea was clever. At that time computer databases were still mostly science fiction and the metadata problem hadn't reared its head. So it was well anticipated.
user228700
Raskolnikov felt sick but he couldn't say why,
When he saw his face reflected
in his victim's twinkling eye
Some things you'll do for money, and some you'll do for fun
but the things you do for love are gonna come back to you one by one
True, I agree.
@JohnRennie Hahah. Well, it's not all teen angst. I like Dostoyevskii because the constant logical dialectics and the paranoid downward spiral of the interpersonal relationships breaks my brain.
He really knew what was coming in Russia in the next century.
@Kaumudi.H come back to you in a good way I hope :-)
09:43
(I like him better that Tolstoy tbh)
user228700
@JohnRennie Sheesh, nobody would hope otherwise!
@Kaumudi.H it's just that I find the way it's phrased a bit ominous. It sounds like your sins coming back to haunt you
I like the idea that the things you do for love are sin.
user228700
Haha, I see. I s'pose you'd feel differently if you looked at all the lyrics.
user228700
@JohnRennie Again, why?
09:45
I have been looking for a laptop like that for a while, and this is exactly what I was looking for, apart from the mnior damage.
But it seems a little pricy, given the damage, and I don't really need it - I just want it :-)
user228700
Ah, good to know that you've made that distinction! :-P
Where's @BernardoMeurer when you need him? I need someone to say Go ahead John buy it NOW! :-)
user228700
:-P Sorry.
Go ahead John buy it now.
There.
You don't count, you're not a computer nerd! :-)
user228700
09:49
Ouch.
@Kaumudi.H Ouch? Is it an insult saying someone isn't a computer nerd?
i don't like technology. although i'd be really interested if you had videodrome for me...
nah
user228700
@JohnRennie Haha, I s'pose it would depend on the person in question, whether they'd take that as an insult or not.
@BalarkaSen A Videodrome download is only a short google away if you really want it. Not that i condone this of course.
On that topic, a friend's daughter is working on the current Blondie tour.
I want the tapes tho. The ones that gives you uncountrollable brain tumor.
I don't know Debbie Harry but she acted well
09:52
Ah, OK, I can't help there. You could ask Koji Suzuki.
Ah? Who's that?
Ring (リング, Ringu) is a Japanese mystery horror novel by Koji Suzuki first published in 1991, and set in modern-day Japan. It was the basis for a 1995 film (Ring: Kanzenban), a television series (Ring: The Final Chapter), a film of the same name (1998's Ring), and two remakes of the 1998 film: a South Korean version (The Ring Virus) and an American version (The Ring). == Plot synopsis == After four teenagers mysteriously die simultaneously in Tokyo, Kazuyuki Asakawa, a reporter and uncle to one of the deceased, decides to launch his own personal investigation. His search leads him to "Hakone Pacific...
ahh right
user228700
09:58
:-P
user228700
I have to go (to the concert).
See, I'm cool, I've listened to his new album (though only because my niece put it on in the car and refused to turn it off even under torture).
Ed sheeran has too many songs
@Kaumudi.H Yes, I should probably get back to work. See you later.
@JohnRennie I am sorry for you
user228700
10:00
@JohnRennie Oh shush, his new album is not so bad.
user228700
@JohnRennie :-P I meant to have to go to the concert, not like, you know, now.
i should listen to Joy Division at some point
@BalarkaSen It was a traumatic experience - I may never fully recover.
I might make an offer on that laptop and see if the seller accepts it. What should I offer? £300? £325?
user228700
10:01
What laptop
chill and have a vodka comrade
who is communist?
user228700
@Kenshin These people who supposedly hate Ed sheeran.
10:04
we work for the collective dictatorship of the proletariat, that's all
wtf is proletariat
the neobourgeois are unwelcome
@Kenshin you should learn some marxist terminology
v v v useful
lol why marxism is terrible
user228700
Signed up on several different websites to be among the first few (thousands, I'd guess!) to know when the tickets go up for sale. Can't wait for my "Spam" folder to start exploding!
I went to see his brother Sheep Sheerin'
10:07
goodl uck kaumu
do u live near mumbai
where I can check what -ism I am?
user228700
@Kenshin Nope :-/
oh well, excuse to travel
@BalarkaSen what ism am i
@BalarkaSen Same question as Kenshin
@Secret u r organ
10:09
not funny, too trivial
@Kenshin you gotta gimme some of that drugs you take! i like that sentence
mate they're too expensive
only for capitalists
I don't take drugs, yet I have thoughts more wild than drugged people, WTF?
i don't think i am an avid enough fan of anybody to go to a gig by anyone even if it's a block apart from my home
10:10
@Kenshin oops
JB has a song or two that are nice-ish
yeah JB FTW
lumpen bourgeois
can u pls speak more dumbed down
10:13
all you have to know is whenever you feel another person has different tastes and opinions than you, he's a lumpen bourgeois
lol ok cool
@Avantgarde JB?
Justin Bieber
sarcasm right @JohnRennie
user228700
@JohnRennie Performing in India today.
@Avantgarde I wish I hadn't asked now ...
yeah who's Justin Bieber?
wow he's in india
have you seen that video where in an interview, ozzy osbourne is asked about justin?
10:16
i didn't know that but hell if i care
who is ozzy osbourne
the green goblin? wait no...
the vocalist of black sabbath
one of the first, or pretty much the first metal band
u mean kelly's dad?
wait lol
yes.
10:19
oh yeah, i heard of her, didn't know her dad then became famous
so what happened in this interview
that man gets an instant +1 from me
even though I don't know him
oh man rick again
lol
Ozzy says "Who the f is justin beiber" and means it lol
10:22
heh
@BalarkaSen I've seen Ozzy many times over the years and he's really, really good on stage. He has an incredible stage presence and there's always a fantastic atmosphere at his shows.
Though I haven't seen him for a decade now, and ... well ... he's old enough to collect his pension.
Huh I see
@JohnRennie did you see him eat a bat's head on stage?
does that add to the atmosphere?
No, that was in the US somewhere. And there are conflicting stories about whether that actually happened.
It was allegedly a rubber bat.
10:25
@JohnRennie they got done with their farewell tour recently
well it's still better than MC Ride with the drums and people flying everywhere
@Avantgarde Sabbath did, but that doesn't stop Ozzy doing solo tours.
yeah I meant sabbath
Well, I just put in an offer of £325 on that laptop - wish me luck!
yeah it didn't stop John Farnham eithger
10:28
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Q: What are these empty arrows in the migration stats page?

E.P.I'm pretty baffled by these entries in the migration stats page for Physics.SE: What do those migration pathways represent? Shouldn't the UI make it clearer (through some suitable tooltip or other text) what they mean?

you need 10k reputation to see that page
deciphering it must require a secret code only the elite SE users have
@JohnRennie gL
user228700
Ha. Over the past two months, most of my JEE-centric questions have been getting more upvotes and views!
pls show us some
imagine how quiet the chat room will be after JEE
my physics.qandaexchange.com site is gonna die probs too
11:47
" Such a notion, termed local covariance was introduced more recently in a programmatic paper [11] by Brunetti, Verch and one of us (K.F.)"
One of the author referred to himself
how gauche
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Q: Will the curvature in space-time prevent an object from moving forever in a friction-less world without air resistance?

Tyler HilbertIn class the teacher said that an object would move forever if you applied a force to it and ignored the affects of friction and air resistance. What I am wondering if that's entirely true. My friend told me that even if there was no friction or air resistance the curvature in space-time would ov...

geodesics
user228700
12:02
This seems to be an excellent collection of resources to improve mental health and includes topics such as Building Self Compassion, Improving Self Esteem, and Overcoming Procrastination among many others.
i procrastinate therefore i exist
I don't exist therefore I am
"Fortunately, there exists a method which is intrinsically local, namely causal perturbation theory."
Is that the coincidence point renormalization
user228700
@BalarkaSen Sheesh, better not read this then!
Yeah I don't want to stop existing.
12:13
I don't exist therefore I exist
Therefore there is no way to remove my existence as I am nonexistent in the first place
What is a $*$-homomorphism
pretty good paper
I suspect $*$ homomorphism are just homomophisms that preserves the structure of the involution $*$ in this algebra, given how the beginning of that paper basically laying down the framework on what a $C^*$ algebra is
@Slereah It commutes with the $^*$ operation.
@Slereah I bought that 50 years of Cauchy problem book.
Good buy
I hope u like Sobolev spaces
Who doesn't?
12:26
Me
I don't think you've actually tried to understand them
Probably not
I barely know what they are
$W^{k,p}(\Omega)$ is just the set of $L^p(\Omega)$ functions whose distributional derivatives can be represented by $L^p$ functions.
why do i care
yeah but
what for
also what is the $k$ for
12:30
@Slereah you want derivatives up to order $k$
@BalarkaSen it's the appropriate Banach space for solving differential equations
@0celo Hm. appropriate in which sense?
why is it any better than $C^k$
@BalarkaSen In the sense that you can solve the PDE via certain methods (variationally, Lax-Milgram, etc.), then your solution is in $W^{1,2}$ or something.
You then bootstrap to $W^{2,2}$ regularity.
Then by magic, you get $W^{4,2}$, $W^{6,2}$, etc.
The Sobolev theorem says $\cap_k W^{k,2}=C^\infty$.
@Slereah Not a Banach space.
I guess because some of the functions have unbounded integrals
@0celouvskyopoulo7 "Huh"
12:35
@BalarkaSen There are many proofs of the Sobolev theorem, none of which are enlightening. Perhaps the best one is via Fourier transform, where you just show that the Fourier integrals for all of the derivatives converge.
But that only works for $W^{k,p}$ on $\Bbb R^n$ or a torus. For worse domains you need god awful stuff like cone conditions and whatnot
$C^1$ boundary usually works
Ah yeah
PDEs are mysterious. I should know them at some point
You can get Lipschitz too but I've never bothered figuring out how that works. There's a lot of combinatorics behind it.
Mostly you just go to Adams & Fournier and see which Sobolev spaces embed into which $L^p$ or $C^k$ or $C^{k,\alpha}$ spaces and take it on faith.
is there a necessity to define a fancy integral for the distance function on a manifold, or is it the usual integral since it's just the integral of $d(\gamma) : \Bbb R \to \Bbb R$
@Slereah It's just the inf of lengths of paths, which is just a regular integral.
Hm
I'm trying to find a reason why Hicks' pseudometric thing is wrong
12:38
@BalarkaSen They are very mysterious
But I have no idea why
or if it is
@BalarkaSen Linear second order elliptic PDE basically runs on this theorem: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
I suspect it's somewhere in the fact that on non-Hausdorff manifolds, derivatives are probably not equivalent to vector fields
but I'm not sure
Is he related to David Hilbert
why's Beethoven's 9th symphony stuck in my head. this is NOT helping, brain
What is the maximum number of reversible paths between two states of a thermodynamic system?
12:50
"If one does not require continuity there are many more representations"
What's a representation of the Weyl algebra that isn't continuous
@Kaumudi.H I bought that laptop. Oh well :-)
@AlbertEinstein Hi
@Slereah ask ACM
@ACuriousMind halp
plz respond
That sounds like something pathological he would know about
12:59
@yashas, Hello
$$\omega(A^n) = \int \lambda^n d\mu_{A, \omega}(\lambda)$$
whaaat
I think this is the famed quantum hamburger
You know the moments of the linear functional of the state on the operator and you reconstruct the probability distribution from it
"This is the principle of locality, more precisely expressed by the German word Nahwirkungsprinzip."
AQFT papers love to use that word
"We choose the convention $(+,-,-,-)$"
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13:15
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Q: Why do metals only glow red, yellow and white and not through the full range of the spectrum?

DieblitzenWhy don't metals glow from red to yellow to green to blue etc.? Why only red, then yellow and then white? Shouldn't all wavelengths be emitted one by one as the temperature of the metal increases? If some metals do glow at with different colours, could you give me examples of such metals and th...

HNQ :|
The author did not know that the eye perceives white when light of all wavelengths of the visible spectrum enter the eye.
13:30
empty
"Embeddings that preserve the metric, the orientation and the causal structure"
What
What more is there to the causal structure than the metric and orientation?
Is this correct $(\mathbf{m}_1\cdot\nabla)(\mathbf{m}_2\cdot\nabla)\dfrac{1}{r}=(m_{1i} \dfrac{ \partial }{\partial x_i})(m_{2j}\dfrac{\partial}{\partial x_j})\dfrac{1}{r} = m_{1i}\dfrac{\partial}{\partial x_i}(m_{2j}\dfrac{\partial}{\partial x_j}\dfrac{1}{r})$
13:47
"We call a category $C$ strictly monoidal if there exists a bifunctor $\otimes : C \times C \to C$ which is associative and there exists an object $e$ which is a left and right unit for $\otimes$"
Noooo
I just wanted to do QFT

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