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12:25 AM
@KyleKanos I'm never around when the flags fly...
 
 
2 hours later…
2:10 AM
@tpg2114 Today's flag wasn't nearly as interesting as the other day when many flags (and locusts) were case.
This one was based on someone being in a bad mood (or at least seeming to be) and thinking every suggestion was serious
Helpful hint to all: probably around 90% of what I say is facetious, sarcastic, or sardonic. When in doubt, take the position it's not serious.
 
2:27 AM
@KyleKanos Isn't that the rule for all chat rooms on the internet?
 
@tpg2114 Probably
But I suppose if someone persisted in calling me pathetic for lamenting my job, I'd probably become grouchy as well and snip at most people & their comments
 
I'm having hard-core programming block right now. I guess that's the problem of being overwhelmed with 4 different projects in 3 languages :/
 
I've become bogged down with post-processing stuff
 
And there isn't a drop of alcohol in the house... not sure if that's helping or hindering me though
 
My Jameson is running low :(
 
vzn
2:31 AM
"sabre tooth" has a thin skin...
(dont know exactly what was said though, was something removed?)
 
Let's not poke the bear again @vzn. I'd just let it go
 
vzn
its no poking. hes overreacting.
 
@KyleKanos I don't like Jameson much actually.
I usually keep Jim Beam or Wild Turkey around
And some Sweetwater beers
 
vzn
dont take it out on anonymous chat users if you hate your job. (hey man sympathize w you on that one)
touchy!
 
@vzn And continuing to discuss it can just lead to more "overreacting"
 
vzn
2:33 AM
hes gone its no big deal
 
Nothing good could come from continuing down this thread of conversation
 
vzn
didnt ping him. now that would be poking.
 
@vzn there's an history though
Just don't worry about it.
 
Everything is logged and it's really not hard to catch up on things
 
It's not a big deal
@tpg2114 Irish whiskeys are pretty much the only hard liquor I drink
Which is kinda shame because I don't think they're allowed on the diet
 
vzn
2:34 AM
its all fun-n-games until someone gets flagged lol
 
Ironically, that's one of the only ones I tend not to drink
 
Only vodkas, for some odd reason
 
vzn
was lol at the meme potpourri before that
 
I don't care for vodka much. Not that it's bad, but it's just kinda... nothing. Like why bother
 
Actually, it says Scotch & Vodka
So I guess I can survive that
But no beer :(
 
2:35 AM
I've been warming up to gin lately. Took me awhile to build a taste for juniper
Scotch is good stuff
When I'm at bars, it's usually scotch and soda or gin and soda.
The bar near me, they see me walk around the corner and my drink is on the bar before I even get there... I suppose that's probably not a great thing
 
I rarely go to bars (too 'spensive)
Plus the whole "I have a wife & 4 kids" thing
 
Yeah, that's definitely true. But I learned if you make friends with the bar tenders, it becomes much cheaper
My bill is always much shorter than what is given to me
 
Yeah, I've seen that happen before
Partly b/c my eldest brother is a bartender
 
I was out with a group of bartenders after they got off work once, and somebody I knew from Tech saw me and later asked why I would want to hang out with people who weren't nearly as educated
 
vzn
> 1bourbon 1whiskey 1scotch 1beAr –george thorogood
 
2:40 AM
I had to explain at great lengths that sometimes it's nice to go have a conversation that isn't an argument about equations, or which superhero is better than which
 
@tpg2114 Hmm, they're clearly DC fanboys. Marvel is soooo much better
 
I never actually got into superheros
I didn't like Spiderman at all
Batman, to me, is just... not a superhero. Like Iron Man, he's just a guy with a lot of time and money and cool toys. P
Plus, he's totally not a good guy. He's only doing it for revenge
He only fights crime because he's looking for who murdered his parents. If beating up sheep and little kids would lead to finding who did it, I'm positive he would be doing that instead
Superman is really one of the only, true "superheros" but he gets kinda old fast. There's only so many different ways one bad guy can try to get at him with one green rock.
The Flash was cool, but I never really read anything there. The Green Lantern seemed sorta lame
@KyleKanos Somebody sent me this link thinking it was cool. But then I saw their recommendation for learning Fortran: linuxlinks.com/article/20150201134045961/BeginnerBooks.html
I was instantly disappointed
 
Batman's not looking for the guy who murdered his parents
He's looking to prevent other kids' parents from being killed by criminals
@tpg2114 Definitely a fail there
Wonder if I can email them & recommend at least Adams' book
 
@alarge that doesnt mean I don't want to put effort into it.. in fact this problem has been on my mind for a long time.. But I also have other stufff, mainly college work.. ok fine, I will try to put more effort...
 
2:54 AM
@tpg2114 Actually, it looks like they're thing is recommending free books, so Adams' book is out. But why a Fortran 77 book?
 
@KyleKanos Exactly. And if you go to the bottom little link deal and click on Fortran, they have like 9 books I think
And some of them are 90/95
All free
 
I'm looking at them now
I seem to recall seeing Jorgensen's book before
 
So why they took the F77 one, who knows. Most of them are F77 books though
But I guess that the vast majority of Fortran out there is probably still 77 (or older)
 
Interesting...Jorgensen's book is CC-by-SA
 
That's kinda cool
Derive work from it!
 
2:59 AM
From Chapter 1: This text utilizes the Fortran 90/95 standard. Older versions of Fortran, like Fortran 77, are not referenced. The older Fortran versions have less features and require additional, often burdensome, formatting requirement
 
Fixed formatting is seriously miserable
 
But, given the origins of it, it makes sense
 
Sure
 
But in the modern sense of programming, it's quite the burden
 
But now that we're like... 50 something years removed from punchcards, we probably shouldn't be tied to them
 
3:00 AM
@vzn u gossiper..
 
Yeah, nothing about this sounds fun:
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Q: How did programming work when programmers used punchcards?

Tom DignanI saw this: Learning to program on punchcards and I've seen this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_programming_in_the_punched_card_era but they leave much to be desired. Can anyone explain to me how programmers programmed when they used punchcards? Specifically, the system of input comput...

 
@tpg2114 Slowly.
 
Maybe, just for fun, before I graduate, I'll find a way to print out our lab's code on punchcards
 
vzn
wild trivia... punch card tech started out on... weaving looms. leading to the luddite protests
 
But then programmer time was cheap compared to machine time then, so it wasn't a big deal.
 
3:05 AM
Just so I could store it somewhere and try to convince my kids some day that that's how we did it because touchscreens were too hard to use.
 
I have actually punched a deck, gotten the error report back thrity minutes later and then debugged the deck.
Once.
To say I had done it.
It's far worse than using a line editor.
 
That sounds absolutely miserable
 
My dad worked punch cards in undergrad
 
I mean, from an engineering perspective, it's kinda cool to turn something physical like that into something computational
 
@tpg2114 It's like anything else so primitive its novel. Fun the one time, but you'd hate to live it.
 
3:07 AM
@dmckee Plus I'm sure, at the time, it was hard to envision something else that was clearly superior
It would be like us saying now "Emacs/vim is cool and all, but it would be way better if the computer could read our minds and program that way"
 
I don't want my computer to read my mind
 
Or "It's great that I can program a computer, but it would be better if the computer could program itself" -- which is actually sort of happening and is pretty crazy
 
@tpg2114 Yes and no. Card punches and readers persisted for quite a few years after teletypes were available because of the cost issue. Plus the deck is off-line storage which can matter when memory is rare and expensive.
 
@KyleKanos Google already does it. I get 2-3 words into a search and it predicts quite scarily what I am thinking
 
vzn
google is )( that close to skynet o_O
 
3:10 AM
@tpg2114 That's not mind reading, that's prediction based on past history
 
Spooky enough for me...
 
@KyleKanos Which is sufficient to read one's mind
If it can learn from my patterns and can predict my thoughts, that's mind reading to me
 
hmm
That's a fair point, I suppose
 
I guess one could argue it's not exactly the same as it's not reaching into my brain and "hearing" what is going on. But they are at least equivalent
But since we know the brain is really just a bunch of electrical and chemical signals, I would think pattern recognition and prediction is as close to "hearing" thoughts as we'll get
 
3:13 AM
Wow...XeroKynos is at it again. He did a 100% FF8 run Sunday -> Monday and started another 100% run 2:20:00 ago...
It's a 12 hour run
 
Do you like FF8 specifically, or do you like speedrunning in general?
 
Mostly speedrunning RPGs
FF series is probably the most popular
 
I stumbled across ADGQ for the first time this year. I've had YouTube running through the previous ADGQ/SGDQ playlists nonstop since then
Good background noise, I have my laptop hooked up to my TV so I have it fullscreen there while I work
 
And I enjoyed most of the FF games I've played (1, 4, 7, T, 8, 10).
I watched some of the ADGQ live this year. Couldn't catch some of the ones I wanted to watch due to times
You know, having the game start at ass-o'clock
 
Yeah
They've got almost all of this year's up
They did FF6 in the SGDQ 2014 at the end, it was a 7 hour run
These guys have a lot of the older marathons:
I like the Zelda games, even though I don't know that I've played one
 
3:19 AM
Yeah, I did actually catch the end of the FF6 run live
 
I think AGDQ ended up at close to $1.7 million this year
That's pretty awesome, they do a really good job
 
They did break $1.5, but it wasn't announced on stream until the Zelda runs
Which was kinda cool to see someone do Child Link blindfolded
 
Yeah, they kept getting more money after it ended
I watched the Paper Mario run from SGDQ14 yesterday, that was a long one too. Like 6 hours
I never had a Nintendo anything, so I missed out on most of those games
We had a Genesis and the PlayStations
 
^ Same here
FTW:
Herzog Zwei is a Sega Mega Drive-exclusive game by Technosoft, published in 1989 (released in North America in early 1990). It is an early real-time strategy game, predating the genre-popularizing Dune II. Herzog Zwei is also considered one of the best two-player Genesis games, combining the arcade-style play of Technosoft's own Thunder Force series with a simple, easy-to-grasp level of strategy. Herzog Zwei (German pronunciation: [ˈhɛɐ̯tsok ˈtsvai]) translates from German to "Duke Two". It is the sequel to Herzog, which was available on the Japanese MSX and PC-8801 personal computers. ==...
My brothers & I hated that game until we figured out how to play it
 
Never played that one
 
3:24 AM
It just didn't make sense to us, but it's basically a strategy game like Warcraft or Dawn of War
 
I played Dune II
 
Joe Montana Football?
 
We actually had Madden '92
 
Fake punt every down = win
No machine learning on that game, defense picked based on formation
 
We used to make it super snowy and our guys would get injured, then the ambulance would drive around the field and mow down everybody else because it was slippery
I think Road Rash may have been one of the first games we got
 
3:26 AM
Road Rash was fun
 
That was a kinda fun game that really doesn't have anything else like it
I miss the Twisted Metal and Jet Moto series on PS too
 
I fell off my bike playing that with my brother
 
Haha, yeah, we used to play it too...
 
Not really playing it, just jokingly saying we were doing it
 
We didn't whip each other with chains or clubs of course
 
3:28 AM
And I threw a puch, turned the wheel, face-plant
 
Yup... been there, done that
 
Twisted Metal got boring once someone told me the cheat code to get your special weapon.
 
I still have all those codes memorized
Unlimited ammo, unlimited weapons
It's was still fun when playing with people who also knew the codes
TM2 was by far my favorite
Hold down L1, R1 and then press up, down, left, right, right, left, down, up.
That was... weapons I think
Ammo was the same D-pad code while holding L2 and R2
 
Sounds about right
 
PS3 actually sells a lot of the old PS and PS2 games
For download
Like $5 each I think
 
3:32 AM
My brother picked up FF7 on the PSN
Don't think he beat it though
I'd like to get the steam release, but that'll have to wait
 
I'm not sure I ever played any FF either
I must have played a little bit of them, but I haven't owned any
 
It's pretty much the only game I played throughout HS and early college
 
I was doing the WC3, StarCraft thing then
And some FPS games on the PC like Ghost Recon
 
I did pick up MGS & MGS2 when I got the PS2
I also got Soul Calibur because a girl I liked played it (and schooled me every time she played me)
 
I didn't like any of the Metal Gear series
I don't know why, I just never got into it
Soul Calibur was fun
 
3:37 AM
Everything past 3 was dumb, from what I've seen streamed. Even MGS2 was a bit silly because you weren't playing as Snake for most of the game
 
It's pretty hard to out-do Mortal Combat and Smash Bros though
I remember being annoyed by the number of cutscenes
I felt like 75% of the game was cutscenes
 
I honestly don't remember. After I lost interest in the girl, I lost interest in the game
Or were you talking abuot MGS?
 
Sorry, MGS
 
Oh yeah, definitely a lot of cut scenese
But they're skippable
Only the ear-piece video thing wasn't quite skippable, you could turn off the speech and speed through it though
 
My brother loved it, I just didn't like it for some reason
 
3:43 AM
Apparently the Wii version is amazingly broken for the first-person capabilities that weren't present in the PSX version. You can beat most the bosses in about 3 seconds by aiming
 
I never played a Wii much. I've played the Wii U a few times and it's cool because the game pad controls mirror the PS controller
But the pad is so darn big
I got my friend's son Lego Batman 3 for Christmas (Wii U) but he was having a hard time figuring out what to do so she made me buy it (PS3) so I could show him how to get through it
 
My sister in law gave us her old Wii. Haven't used it much outside of being our DVD player (which it isn't very good at)
 
And the buttons have different labels, but they are mapped the same. I got way more excited than I should have about that
The Mario and DK games are fun on the Wii
 
We have Mario Kart & the Wii sports, I think that's it
 
And they don't use the motion control part for most of it, you turn the controller sideways and use it like an old Nintendo controller
I didn't like Mario Kart where it made you use the controller as a steering wheel. It was too hard to drive
The sports ones are fun though
I want a PS4 but I can't justify buying it, and games, and then spending the time playing games...
 
3:47 AM
Never tried it with a regular controller
 
@vzn ...
@tpg2114 I think it's nice..
@tpg2114 u like wii u? I never got it.. I hope to get it soon...
 
I just always struggled to make it work right.
@TAbraham I don't own one so I can't say. I just help my friend's son play
I don't like motion control for video games for the most part. If I wanted to exercise, I'd go exercise! :)
It was cool for some things, like the Wii Sports or the other one, I can't remember what it's called. Had cycling, canoeing, etc
Same idea though
 
Sports Resort?
 
Yup! That one
I liked those games and the motion control was pretty cool for it
 
Joey likes to fly the airplane in that one
He doesn't complete any of the objectives, but he has loads of fun flying it
 
3:56 AM
That's what matters right?
 
@tpg2114 yeah, it's cool.. like it too..
 
Wish there were a way to make it fly w/o the time limit
 
@tpg2114 exactly...
@KyleKanos yeah..
 
It took me a long time to relax when I was helping him play games, he's 5 and didn't get most of the "objectives" of games. So I'd always get stressed out about not getting things... haha
But it's fun just to play whatever they think they're playing, and that's awesome
I'm more of a perfectionist in games. 100% or bust
 
I always played casually
Never cared to get 100%
But never really cared to beat the game faster than I already did
 
3:59 AM
I never cared about speed so much
But I would spend like hours in a single Sonic level trying to figure out how to get a hidden ring somewhere
Just because it bugged me I couldn't find it
 
You should see the TAS run of Sonic 2
It's insane
 
That's partly why I like games with mutually exclusive choices. There's a lot more replayability for me because you can't just go through it once and do everything
Is it on tasvideos?
 
Actually, it was sonic 3
I saw it on youtube
 
OKay, I was having a hard time finding Sonic 2 ones :)
 
The secret levels are o.O
 
4:03 AM
I loved this game when I had the genesis
I had all of the blue sphere collection minigames memorized
The stuff those TAS guys do is pretty awesome
The TAS at ADGQ this year was really impressive also
 
TASbot plays Pokemon plays Twitch
 
Yeah
Was it last year that they reprogrammed super mario brothers?
 
Actually, now that I think about it, I think Tas-ception was Super Mario Bros
 
They reprogrammed SMB to play Mario Brothers
 
Yeah
And got it to stream twitch
 
4:11 AM
Yeah
I think the Mario Bros was cooler than an IRC client
 
I don't think I've ever actually used IRC
 
We use it in our lab. I think I've been logged into it for like... 5 years without logging out
 
o.O
 
It's effectively just like this here
But I use a terminal client. Because terminals are awesome
 
I presume Linux comes with an IRC client installed by default, but I've just never seem to have needed it
 
4:15 AM
I think the only time I used it other than within my lab was to connect to an openSuSE tech support channel
Cause I couldn't get my printer to work
 
Printers are overrated
 
But they were totally baffled by the problem. I ended up having to write a patch for their build system and wrote a whole long tutorial on their website
Took like 2 months
Sonic collecting blue spheres backwards is pretty awesome
Did you see that guy became a Tetris Grand Master?
 
@tpg2114 That was the mind-blowing part of it to me. I really felt like they were showing off because they move the game ahead one frame at a time!
I did see most of the Tetris block
 
He's like the 5th person in the world to ever do it, the first one outside of Japan
 
That was amazingly impressive
 
4:17 AM
So that guy, the one where he had to play through the credits?
 
I sorta recall that
 
He just became a grand master today. You have to get that Master M ranking 4 straight games
To get Grand Master
 
Playing blind through the credits looks impossible
 
It's guesswork,
 
Wow
That game effs with you at the end there
 
I think it does it the entire time
You have to have an incredible mental ability to picture what's going on during the credits
 
I guess I mean in showing him that he won GM title
It showed the titles, he knew it was had to be gold to get GM, shows him silver & then crashes out the gold
That is evil programming there
 
The whole thing is evil programming :)
He said during AGDQ that the credits are randomized
So you don't know when the credits will actually end
 
Wow
Sadistic game devs
 
4:32 AM
I can only imagine what the after party is like for becoming a Tetris Grand Master...
 
Alcohol & no more Tetris?
 
I guess that wouldn't make it any different than any other after party eh
 
Probably not
 
 
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9:26 AM
@DavidZ I just got the message that this question has been deleted. If you recall I answered that question and the answer was deleted. I thought you said this was temporary?
@DavidZ I'm referring to this conversation
 
Yes, deletion of the answer was temporary.
What happens to the question is entirely separate.
 
Ok, but I suspect it was deleted automatically as closed with no answers, right?
 
Perhaps
I mean, I don't have any more information than you do regarding why it was deleted
 
ok, so what happens is that you just "temporarily" delete an answer to the closed post, and just wait long enough so that the question having no answers get automatically deleted, problem solved? I mean, it's really not a big deal that my answer was deleted and I lost some rep in the process, I can live with it, but in these circumstances you could simply say that the deletion is (probably?) not temporary, so I can at least save the answer for another more "acceptable" question.
 
No, the time at which I undelete the answer is unrelated to whether or when the question gets deleted
But if you want to save the answer for a more acceptable question (whatever that means), please do. That's the whole reason we do this: to discourage people from answering homework questions.
Well, not the whole reason, but one of the reasons
I guess the main reason is really to keep people from asking homework questions
 
9:42 AM
yes, I got that, however please try to follow me in this reasoning: suppose I know that a question with no answers (and eventually other conditions) gets deleted after, say, two weeks. Now I "temporarily" delete an answer to that question for three weeks. Is the deletion of that answer temporary? You see why your answer "the deletion of the answer is temporary, what happens to the main question is another issue" isn't that good?
please understand that I'm not trying to argue with you, and I believe you if you say that this was not intentional. But maybe in the future a warning that this can happen would be nice
 
Well, if you consider a non-deleted answer to a deleted question to be deleted, then by that reasoning the deletion is permanent.
 
saving it didn't seem necessary because you said that the deletion was temporary. If I knew it would have been eventually deleted I would have saved it
@DavidZ isn't that so? I mean: can I still access that answer?
 
I'm not sure, actually.
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Q: Lost my answer on deleted question

davidsbroNote; I have read Show all of my question/answers to me even if they are deleted but I didn't see an answer to my question. A couple of days ago, I answered a question for a new user, and I worked on my answer for about 40 minutes. The question didn't receive any downvotes, and wasn't marked as...

 
the link I gave you is supposedly of my answer, given that I got it from the rep-changes bar
 
According to that, it seems that you can't see the answer, but I can copy the source markup for you if you like
 
9:47 AM
I see, this is good
as another thing I could ask you if the automatically deleted question in question (no pun indented) really deserves the deletion
I believe the "don't want to help students posting it cheat" argument is expired, isn't it?
 
That's not the reason the question was deleted though.
 
then what is this reason?
 
The question was deleted because of its score and age, and the fact that it was closed, I assume.
And in turn, the reason that the algorithm which automatically deletes such questions exists is that those questions presumably do not add value to the site.
If you think that question didn't deserve to be deleted, you can make an argument on meta that either the algorithm should be changed, or that the question adds enough value to the site that the algorithm should be overruled.
(I suppose you can guess that I do not believe either of those things is the case.)
 
I could argue that the question being closed with no answer certainly doesn't help in its popularity, but I can see your argument and I'm ok with it.
 
Fair enough
So before I leave, did you want the text of your answer?
 
9:53 AM
Could you now please send me the deleted answer's source?
I guess doing it in chat isn't the best option though
 
Yeah I can put it on pastebin if that's okay
 
yes thank you
 
here you go
(I set it to expire in a month)
I guess I would also say, keep in mind for the future that if you post a complete answer to a homework-like question, you can't count on having access to it later on if you don't save it yourself
 
user54412
 
user54412
Of note are figures 6, 7, and 12
 
10:03 AM
@DavidZ yes I got that message :)
 
user54412
Also, r<0.12 @ 95%; median r=0.075; mode r=0.05; r>0 @ 92% (not statistically significant as they themselves admit)
 
user54412
On that note, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to be in a field of science where a p-value of 0.08 is not taken to be a detection of something.
 
user54412
It's also worth noting that the B-mode signal is definitely there, and in fact the joint analysis finds a 7-sigma detection of lensing. It's just a question of what part of the remaining signal is dust vs. tensor perturbations.
 
12:53 PM
@ChrisWhite Does the detection of B-mode polarisation constitute a detection of gravitational waves?
 
1:33 PM
I can never get over the "(+216 authors not shown)" in experimental physics papers
 
1:47 PM
Yeah, mega collaborations like that BICEP/Planck/Keck paper are pretty crazy
 
@KyleKanos Get out of my head
 
The nozzle question?
 
Yeah
 
That's awesome that I guessed it
 
I flagged it as too broad. There are literally dozens of books on compressible, reacting Navier-Stokes
 
1:54 PM
OP does kinda ask for references, so if we added that tag it could be an okay question
 
@KyleKanos So either you read my mind, or you learned my patterns and predicted...
 
@tpg2114 Isn't that the same thing?
 
True. And you could remove the greeting and thanks while you edit the tag in
Time for class... boo
Be back later
 
Hmm, my university's cluster IT team is emailing the listserv again claiming that the /scratch directory is 97% full. I suppose I ought to at least check, no?
 
2:12 PM
Does anyone know why we don't have a tag for the Boltzmann distribution? According to this search, it's mentioned in 300+ posts.
(100 of which are questions)
Is it because we'd want one for the other distribution functions? And that one for each is too much?
 
@KyleKanos Do you think adding adds anything over just tagging it with `or ?
 
Maybe in some cases
If the question is more about the distribution function itself, then I could see the stat-mech & thermo tags being unnecessary
 
@KyleKanos But is it physics if it is only about the distribution function?
 
Possibly, but probably more often than not , no
It was editing this question that got me thinking about it:
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Q: Chemical Potential, Boltzmann

GuisteThe electrochemical potential of an ion i in an electrolytic solvent is given by: \begin{align}\mu_i(\vec r) &= \mu_i^0 + RT \ln(a_i(\vec r))\\& = \mu_i^0 + RT \ln(\gamma_i(\vec r) c_i(\vec r)/c_0) \\&= \mu_i^0 + RT \ln(c_i(\vec r)/c_0) + RT \ln(\gamma_i(\vec r)) \\&= \mu_i^0 + RT \ln(c_i(\vec ...

It's not really a stat-mech question
 
@KyleKanos True. Am I wrong, or would not setting the $\mu^0 = 0$ just be absorbed into the $c_0$, anyway?
 
2:25 PM
I think the assumption is that $\mu(\mathbf r)=\mu^0$, i.e. the chemical potential doesn't change
 
Ah
Yes
 
Jim
@KyleKanos Not saying he deserved what he got even slightly, but I think he can be sure he'll never be in that position again (innuendo not intended)
 
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