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thanks Skype
 
 
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3:18 AM
Penrose's book is awful, btw
He has chapters but no sections
 
3:45 AM
"As is well-known [17, p. 207] the existence of a continuous line element field on M is equivalent to the existence of a differentiable, covariant, symmetric, second order tensor field on M, with signature of one at each point, that is, a Lorentz "metric" on M."
I object to this meaning of "well known"
 
hello
@Slereah I knew that
If you read HE you'd know that...
 
 
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5:53 AM
@Slereah Which book is that?
I tried reading his Road to Reality at some point, but it was more like Road to Learning that Penrose Has a Huge Ego.
 
@DanielSank methods of differential topology or something
 
6:23 AM
@0celo7 gross
 
 
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11:01 AM
@DanielSank I happen to have met Roger Penrose - he's anything but egotistical. He was remarkably modest and amiable, just as at ease discussing physics as at exchanging pleasantries and small talk.
Haven't tried Road to Reality, but really enjoyed his Emperor's New Mind.
 
11:36 AM
@innisfree Ego is the wrong word.
In the book, he says that the reader doesn't need to know math to follow along.
He says that anyone who is reasonably intelligent and pays attention will be able to learn from scratch while reading the book.
Despite my entire life of education in math and physics I'm pretty sure I failed to complete the first "exercise" in the book.
This is either
1) Massive over-estimation of his pedagogical abilities.
2) Incredible misunderstanding of the abilities of other people.
3) An intentional lie meant to get people to try to read the book even if they are ill-equipped to do so. In this case, he's wasting my time.
Anyway, I gave up on the book and felt like I didn't understand why everyone made such a big deal about it :\
 
I just heard about the attacks in Paris :(
 
11:55 AM
In a complex (non-hermitian) scalar QFT, is it correct that the creation/annihilation operators $a,a^\dagger$ (particle) and $b,b^\dagger$ (anti-particle) commutate, i.e. $[a,b] = [a,b^\dagger] = [a^\dagger,b] = [a^\dagger,b^\dagger] = 0$?
 
@Bass with a bit more detail, that would be a good one to put on the main site
not that there's anything wrong with asking here
 
@DavidZ gonna create a question out of it
 
12:08 PM
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Q: Do different creation/annihilation operators always commutate?

BassIn a complex (non-hermitian) scalar QFT, is it correct that the creation/annihilation operators $a,a^\dagger$ (particle) and $b,b^\dagger$ (anti-particle) commutate, i.e. $[a,b] = [a,b^\dagger] = [a^\dagger,b] = [a^\dagger,b^\dagger] = 0$? More generally asked, do different creation/annihilation...

Duffie's account got suspended. Now he should have time to explain QFT in Simple English: simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Field_Theory
 
12:22 PM
@Bass Oh!
 
12:32 PM
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Q: Do I have to award the bounty even if the answer does not deserve it and is downvoted?

AniketDo I have to award the bounty even if the answer does not deserve it and is downvoted? This is in relation to this question of mine where there is only one and that too downvoted answer..

 
12:44 PM
@0celo7 I doubt it, because the proof isn't in HE either!
The proof only exists in Steenrod!
Well, I assume it's a proof, anyway
It is pretty abstruse
@innisfree Tell him to rewrite his book on differential topology but correctly this time
Hm
What would be a proof that $I^+(p)$ is an open cover of the manifold$
$I^+(p)$ is open, I know the proof for that, but how to show it can cover the manifold
I can think of a case where that is not true of the manifold has boundaries, so it's not too trivial
It is basically the notion that a point is always the future of another point
Hm, maybe the fact that there's always an open neighbourhood can prove that?
Since locally you always have a past light cone
 
1:09 PM
@Bass What did he do?
one week cool down
pretty nasty things I suppose
 
1:20 PM
@yuggib dunno, I just saw that his account has 1 rep
 
@Bass 1. It's commute, not commutate (although that way of strengthening a word has a long history) ;) 2. Any proper intro to QFT should just outright state they do :P
 
1:42 PM
@DanielSank I'll try to find that book in a library. I'm surprised by that, as he was genuinely quite down-to-earth. That was what struck me the most about him. I expected him to be frighteningly smart and maybe a bit aloof.
 
maybe they commute but do not commutate...
:-P
 
@DanielSank e.g. he told me he hated coconut, including Bounties :D
 
What a monster! How can you dislike coconut? :O
 
Bounty is a popular coconut filled chocolate bar. He was the first eminent physicist I met. I expected an other-worldy mega-mind, but it wasn't the case at all.
 
Did he express any regret about the penrose notation
 
1:50 PM
Haha I can't remember, this was a few years ago
 
It's not used a lot, but I once had to use a book in penrose notation
It wasn't fun
 
@AngusTheMan did you have a go at optimizing your stuff?
 
2:21 PM
Hi there
Can anyone suggest me a nice Physics Magazine?
 
@SS-3.1415926535897932384626433 What do you mean? Like at a popsci level? Phys.org has a decent collection of some interesting recent stuff.
 
@ACuriousMind 1. ok :) 2. he describes them as "two independent sets of c/a operators", I suppose that implies commutativity. I wanted to be sure, because of the equation $Q = \int d^Dk[a^\dagger(\vec{k})a(\vec{k}) - b^\dagger(\vec{k})b(\vec{k})]$ for $Q = \int d^DxJ_0(x)$ where $J$ is defined as $J_\mu=i(\varphi^\dagger\partial_\mu\varphi - \varphi\partial_\mu\varphi^\dagger)$.
I'm not able to deduce the result, I arrive at some $(a^2+b^2)+({a^\dagger}^2-{b^\dagger}^2)$ term. Do you see a quick solution? Never mind if not.
last term should have been $(a^2+b^2)-({a^\dagger}^2+{b^\dagger}^2)$
 
@Bass Where do the squares comes from? $\phi$ contains $a,b^\dagger$, $\phi^\dagger$ has $a^\dagger, b$. Plugging into $J$ and multiplying out doesn't give any squares.
 
@ACuriousMind they come from the $\phi^\dagger\partial_0\phi$ multiplication in the definition of $J_0$
 
2:38 PM
@Bass I don't see it. that's (schematically) $(b+a^\dagger)(a+b^\dagger)$, the derivative does nothing but get us the $p^0$ to cancel the$\frac{1}{2\omega_p}$ in the measure of the mode expansion.
 
@ACuriousMind I get $(be^{-ikx}+a^\dagger e^{ikx})(-be^{-ikx}+a^\dagger e^{ikx})$, because the derivative produces one factor $i\omega_k$ and one $-i\omega_k$. So we get a term $b^2 e^{-2ikx}$.
 
@Bass How do the $a.b^\dagger$ in $\phi$ turn into $a^\dagger, b$?!
The signs are probably correct, but I don't see at all how you arrive at the expression in your second bracket
 
2:54 PM
@ACuriousMind duh I think I forgot one of the $\dagger$s when writing $\partial_0\phi$ as $\pi^\dagger$. looks better now. thanks and sorry!
 
The best magazine is Physical Review D :p
 
Good morning.
 
@Slereah Nuclear Physics B is pretty good
 
@Slereah Does he just quote it
I had a nightmare, for the first time in ages.
No clue what is was about...
 
You were probably dreaming of quadratic equations ;)
 
3:05 PM
No, I think it was something about BF4
I was playing with some friends last night and got switched to the other team
ended up going 4 and 16
that was pretty horrifying
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Q: Why not all timelike world lines have infinite total length?

jinaweeI don't understand this stament by Geroch(1968), when discussing the definition of singularity: We could not have required that all timelike world lines have infinite total length, for this property does not obtain in any spacetime. Can someone give an example of this? I can only think th...

Huh?
That has to hold in Minkowski...
 
@0celo7 No one is talking about Minkowski there
 
I'm confused, oh well
> We could not have required that all timelike world lines have infinite total length, for this property does not obtain in any spacetime.
He's saying there is no spacetime where all timelike curves have infinite length
Minkowksi space has that property...
 
...
We've been over the ambiguity of "any", especially for non-native speakers, before :P
 
What?
"it does not hold in any" $\Leftrightarrow$ "there exists none for which it holds"
But I just proved that wrong.
 
Compare to e.g. the German: "Dies ist nicht in jeder Raumzeit der Fall."
 
3:11 PM
VTC unclear.
 
jeder can be translated as every or any
 
@ACuriousMind I know
 
The correct translation is every, but many people will choose any
 
Actually, do I know that
As a native Ami, I would never pick any
Can you give me an example where I would pick any?
 
No, I think a good native speaker will never make that error.
 
3:14 PM
Hmm, what is jemand
Is that everyone or anyone
 
But it is quite common, at least I've seen it a couple of times now, so you should get used to asking yourself if someone didn't perhaps mean every instead of any when you see such a blatantly false statement.
@0celo7 someone
 
@ACuriousMind Or maybe they're just worse than me at math
@ACuriousMind wtf
What are everyone and anyone then
@ACuriousMind oh, derp, of course
But my other question still holds.
 
@0celo7 Jeder and Irgendwer or irgendjemand.
But you could also use jeder for anyone
And that's precisely where this error comes from
 
Hmm, what is the actual difference between someone and anyone
 
Also, it's not always irgendwer
 
3:16 PM
@0celo7 It's the type of proof you do exactly once
 
@0celo7 "Someone can do that." vs. "Anyone can do that."
 
And then all future books just refer to that proof
 
@ACuriousMind Indeed
@Slereah So HE references Steenrod?
 
Yes
 
well you have Steenrod
so go find it
 
3:17 PM
Ah, here's the problem:
 
I have
I have seen the proof
I even gave it to you a while back!
 
@Slereah It is still well-known
@Slereah in the causal sturcture thing with 4 theorems
or 4 things that are equivalent
 
You have "Someone/Everyone/Anyone". We have just "Jemand/Jeder", and it's thus a bit unclear how to map those to each other
 
Well yes, but it is well known in the sense that people know of it
More than they know it
 
@Slereah I think BLT string theory invokes it at one point, actually
 
3:18 PM
And I think this is a common issue among languages that these pronouns tend to be more/less/differently distinguished
 
Bacon lettuce and tomato?
 
Flowers, Libido and Thesis
 
How often has this joke been made by now? :D
 
Also got any idea to prove that chronological futures form a cover of the manifold?
 
wait
the "Stomach" part makes no sense
 
3:20 PM
I suspect I have to show that every spacetime point has a local hood where they are in the chronological future of one point in the hood
Painting flowers on the wall, that don't bother me at all
 
@Slereah Is the point itself in its own chronological future?
 
@Slereah does HE not talk about that
 
Smoking cigarettes and watching captain, kangaroo~
 
@ACuriousMind nay
 
Nope
$p$ is in $I^+(p)$ only if the spacetime has CTCs
that's pretty much the causal definition of CTCs
 
3:21 PM
And then not necessarily...
 
Well for CTCs, yes
For CCCs no
 
there doesn't have to be a CTC through each $p$
 
Well I didn't say that either :p
Although it is the case if the spacetime is TOTALLY VICIOUS
 
that sounds like some
 
(I found out via Penrose that such points used to be called "vicious points" and that is where totally vicious comes from)
 
3:22 PM
damn, don't have my woo woo picture on Windows
@Slereah are you 100% sure HE does not discuss this?
 
I don't know
I don't know all of HE
I suspect it might tho
 
because they do the Alexandrov topology
and to get a topology you have to make an open cover
 
Basically the proof hinges on the fact that every point is the future of another point
(which isn't necessarily true if the spacetime has boundaries!)
So I think it is related to local neighbourhoods
 
Since locally you always have some basic light cone structure
 
3:25 PM
@Slereah indeed
 
"Just a Civil Engineer. -Like ie. Da Vinci"
Da Vinci built a lot of machines that didn't work
I'm not impressed
 
machines is mechanical
not civil
 
I can build a helicopter that doesn't work too
 
you can also build a wormhole that doesn't work either
 
Those are the easiest to build
I think Eric Davis had it right
We need to try that nuclear bomb wormhole idea
I should really read Eric Davis's full report, someday
See where your tax money goes
Funding research on UFO propulsion
 
3:27 PM
@Slereah you're going to make me mad again
 
no equations
 
"Teleportation – psychic: the conveyance of persons or inanimate objects by psychic means. We will call this p-Teleportation"
 
looks like a JD paper
 
This might be a little woo
actually it has equations
But the choice of topics is a little suspiscious
I mean if I was charitable, I would say that he is just being thorough
I read one of the book he participated in, and he is honest at least
 
3:30 PM
I haven't seen teleportation and neither have you
 
Most of the weird experiments looking for weird effects have negative results
@0celo7 : Well
That prove it works
IT ISN'T THERE ANYMORE
 
ok...
are you looking in HE for the proof?
 
3:45 PM
I am
It's a big book tho
 
it'd be in chap 6
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Q: Do electrons actually reside in orbitals?

Sparkler(Following this answer on Chemistry.SE) Calculated orbitals comprise a basis set, but they do not represent the actual "dwelling" of the electrons. Are there actual "dwelling orbitals" which are the result of linear combination of these calculated orbitals? In other words, for a given set of ca...

I thought they were standing waves.
 
Also Hawking stop saying "non spacelike curve"
Just say "causal curve" like everyone else
 
uh
Ellis wrote the book
 
What did Hawking do
 
Hawking was in rough shape by then
He wrote most of the papers the book is based on?
 
3:50 PM
Might not be chapter 6
Could be chapter 4
(that is the curve chapter)
 
he doesn't introduce $I^+(p)$ until 6
you don't have to tell me which chapters are which
 
yeah but the proof could be done with just curves
 
I have a habit of memorizing them
 
He doesn't do a lot of general theorems on chronological futures
 
With that level of memorizing, you might've been better suited to pursue law or medicine :P
 
3:51 PM
I don't think Penrose has it either
Hm
@ACuriousMind : Or Star Trek trivia
 
@ACuriousMind I can't remember what's in them
just the general idea
 
@Slereah Or that, yes
 
@ACuriousMind it just happens
 
Hm, let's see
 
I can tell you the chapters in Wald or Straumann
it helps because my memory is crap
so I always know exactly where to look when I inevitably forget something
 
3:53 PM
what I want is basically $\forall p \exists q.\ q \ll p$
 
alright
lemme get out of bed and look
are you even sure this is correct
 
One of the proof of Sanchez is "Recall the open covering of M: {I+ (p) , p ∈ M}."
"Recall" seems to not refer to anything else in the article, tho
just recall in general
 
"Recall that" is a phrase of the same type as "It is well-known that"
 
^
 
Might be well-known, might be only mentioned in passing in an old Russian article that has not been translated
> Electrons don't "reside" in orbitals. Orbitals describe electrons. Saying that they reside in orbitals would be like saying that you reside in a box labeled "human". The reality is that you are a human.
 
3:57 PM
I believe Kofstrosky wrote about it in the margin of The Czar's Journal of Natural Sciences in 1869
 
I like this guy
 
But our consciousness is the real us, @ACuriousMind, not this crude body!
 
@Slereah Oooh, clever :P
 
HE does not seem to mention it
let's derive it
We know that ever point of spacetime has a convex normal nbd
 
That it does
 
4:00 PM
So given any point $q$, we know it lies in the future of some $p$
QED?
 
Well yes, that is what I said :p
 
Well I just proved it
 
But I was hoping to find a proof a bit more
 
so what is the issue
 
Rigorous
 
4:01 PM
How is that not rigorous
 
@Slereah Although I typically do not agree when @0celo7 asks "What is the issue?", in this case, I don't see it, either.
 
You know
 
@ACuriousMind ofc you don't agree, you're a contrarian
 
With esoteric symbols
Exponential maps and open sets and whatnot
 
in this case you're being reasonable :)
 
4:02 PM
@0celo7 No, I'm not
 
This feels more like a general intuition?
mb I should read more about convex hoods
 
@Slereah Write the "normal nbd" thing with exponential mpa and symbols if you like.
 
As Hawking used to say
Where the hood, where the hood, where the hood at
Can I just use theorems from Minkowski space in a convex neighbourhood
 
@ACuriousMind so why do you always disagree with me
 
@Slereah Do you realize that many mathematicians actually dislike using esoteric symbols? One should have good reasons for using new symbols. Using them without reason is seen a obfuscatory and an indication that you would not actually be able to eplain what goes on in the proof.
 
4:05 PM
I think you do it on principle
 
@ACuriousMind EXPLANATIONS ARE FOR THE WEAK
WEAK FLESH BEINGS
MACHINES WILL RULE
 
...
they already do
 
@Slereah So why did you give up working on robots then? :P
 
^me
Because
I AM A ROBOT
gasps
 
4:07 PM
@0celo7 That reply was mainly a self-referential joke: "You're a contrarian" - "No, I'm not", but I generally have no other reason to disagree with you except that I think you're wrong :P
 
@ACuriousMind I'm ashamed, but I require your help
I have failed to follow a simple proof
It's been a week
I have no clue what's going on
:(
 
Maybe you should stop relying so heavily on ACM to help you understand everything :P
 
@Danu I seriously have been working on this for a week...
 
@0celo7: Rest easy in the knowledge that JohnRennie also was confused by the wording:
It beats me. If you consider Minkowski spacetime there are no worldlines that are everywhere timelike and have a finite proper length, and this seems to contradict Geroch. — John Rennie 34 mins ago
 
@ACuriousMind I wasn't resting uneasily.
OP being bad at words does not make me rest uneasy...
 
4:15 PM
It's not OP, that's a quote :P
 
@ACuriousMind Then Geroch is bad at words. Nothing changes.
In any case, I have left an example in a comment.
I would answer and go for points but I already VTC'd as unclear.
 
Dircaps X Yourbrother - Millions
Every day I wake up/thinking "motherfucker"/it really is a disgrace/breakfast with champagne
 
Very deep...
 
yeah..
 
http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/9929/ph-and-materials-selction/9934#9934

The 1st answer give me a feeling it is some guy that has done some physics answering a chemistry question

But perhaps I am wrong
 
4:28 PM
the most important word is "miljoenen" haha
aka millions
"eight miljoen dromen"
eight million dreams
 
why only 8
seems rather arbitrary
how many ppl in NL
 
wait he says "een'
=1
1 million dreams
They keep on repeating champagne for breakfast
 
I think it was a poor idea to put in "time travel" as a tag
Should have been labeled "causality violation" :p
Scare away the laymen
 
@Slereah "Causality violation" is broader than "time travel", since e.g. PDEs can also violate causality, but unless they are equations for a movement, that's not time travel
 
Nov 5 at 21:36, by ACuriousMind
Then again, I know nothing about PDEs
 
4:35 PM
What are casuality violating PDE describing for the non time travel case?
 
@ACuriousMind So you do know something...
 
@0celo7 Could neither give you a definition of what causality violating means for them, nor can I give an example, I merely know that notion exists. It would have been more untrue to say I know something.
 
Heat equation violates causality as per an answer by joshphysics on PSE :D
 
Isn't causality in PDEs just the initial value problem
 
@ChrisWhite : Oh-oh, hopefully this will not jeopardize Chewbacca's participation in the new Star Wars movie :)
3
 
4:41 PM
Chewbacca really needs a dentist
 
user54412
wat
 
Ahah found a shotgun that fires explosive bullets in Fallout
That thing packs quite a punch
 
@Qmechanic lolwat
 
Qmechanic reads NBC news
Wonder if he's an American or just plain nuts
 
4:44 PM
not both?
 
user54412
@Fermiparadox My guess without doing a real simulation is that the ejecta is the most unrealistic. Rather than a few discrete blobs that just fly off, there should be more material spewed out at all velocities. At the km/s speeds we have, stuff will not behave as a viscous fluid with surface tension on such short timescales. The melting of the crust looks pretty accurate though.
 
@Qmechanic What is actually now edited here? physics.stackexchange.com/posts/218452/revisions
 
@JokelaTurbine : Tags & links to permalinks.
 
@Qmechanic Ok, and thanks for editing, I allready figured the diffedence
 
4:55 PM
"Given $p \in \mathcal{M}$ and any tangent vector, $T^a \in V_p$, there always exists a unique geodesic through $p$ with tangent $T^a$"
Oh wait
I guess that could be good for a proof
 
Uh
That's exactly what I said
 
Well yes
That is also what I said
But I wanted the MATH
 
@JokelaTurbine : Use the 'share' button under each post.
 
user54412
@Qmechanic I understand removing https, but what exactly is the difference between http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/154198/can-gravitational-constant-be‌​-changed and http://physics.stackexchange.com/q/154198/?
 
user54412
My understanding is the text after the numbers is ignored in redirect (so the first link won't rot if the title changes)
 
4:57 PM
@ChrisWhite : If the title change in the future.
 
user54412
As in, you're just worried about inconsistency between the text and the url?
 
@Qmechanic Ok, all clear. & Thanks,,,
 
user54412
(A counterargument might be that unless/until the title changes, the longer link gives the user more confidence they are being redirected somewhere meaningful)
 
I suppose that in the normal hood, a geodesic timelike at $p$ will be timelike in all the hood?
 
4:59 PM
@Slereah where did you find this
 
Wald
 
@Slereah geodesics can't change from timelike to whatever
remember $T^aT_a=\mathrm{const.}$
 
Well they can if they have arbitrary connections :p
 
@Qmechanic Is there some list somewhere to find the way to code all the "Big-G's" and "h-bar's"
 
But yeah you're right
 
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