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12:57 AM
@ManishEarth: You there?
 
yeah
 
I'm confused by something...
I doubt that's right...
 
@Anthony Sorry. My better half had things for me to do.
 
When we're measuring relative velocities, we choose the rest frame of the object relative to which we measure the other object's velocity, right?
 
@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut Depends. Some special relativity texts subtract velocities just like that
There is the relativistic relative velocity, which is v of A in B's frame
 
1:01 AM
Nah, this version is non-relativistic
 
and then there's just "relative velocity", which is vA-vB in your ground frame
 
I think I figured out where I got stuck... They've declared "c" to be the aircraft's velocity relative to wind -- I thought it's ground
and confused myself that it should be "c+v" relative to wind
@ManishEarth: Well, thanks for summoning :D
@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut Firefox crashed soon, and now it's working alright... But, I'm still wondering how it was able to sum up questions selectively o_O
Wow... I can ping myself ;-)
 
 
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2:11 AM
anyone know how to make images posted in questions/answers smaller?
 
@ChrisWhite Have you tried ctrl+shift+-?
:D
 
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lol
 
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@KyleKanos but I'm on a mac :P
 
2:29 AM
I'm tired of reviewing homework questions
I think my new personal policy is one of no-effort. If it takes me no-effort to decide it's not homework, it stays. But if I have to read it 20 times to find out if there is a concept buried in there, it's homework.
 
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@tpg2114 20 times? that's generous - I give them 2
 
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I'm also somewhat burnt out by homework
 
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burnt out, frustrated, jaded, and convinced humanity is doomed
 
It is pretty lame the quantity of questions asked that are homework-y. Or totally insane musings about random stuff
 
@ChrisWhite Oh. In that case, go to cnj.craigslist.org and type in "Mac for sale" then use the money and get a real computer
 
2:35 AM
I wonder what prompts people to think of questions like "If I could instantaneously destroy our sun with the mass and energy just disappearing, what happens?" but nobody goes to StackOverflow with "If I could instantly rip all the RAM out of my computer while it's running, what will happen to my code?"
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@tpg2114 someone has to ask that right now
 
Not it
 
Also not it
 
user54412
not me
 
user54412
cough @ManishEarth
 
2:37 AM
It's probably more on topic on SuperUser if talking about the OS... but I suppose one could post a code snippet like: while(true){ int *i = malloc(1);} and ask what happens if they tear out all their RAM while it's running
Bonus points if you ask the follow up question "Does the memory already allocated still exist in the RAM once it's in my hand and not in the machine?"
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That might be good on Security.SE... ask if it's a valid hacking approach
I'm thinking we could actually troll almost every SE site with the same question
 
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Programmers: Why is it considered poor practice to rip out the RAM from my computer while it's running? Isn't this just a case of my boss enforcing arbitrary rules to feel powerful?
 
English Usage: "It's really hard to pull the RAM out of my machine while it's running. Is it called RAM because it's pushed in so hard when installed?"
@ChrisWhite Verbatim that would work on Workplace too. Replace boss with advisor and it works on Academia
 
SciComp: Can I free memory by removing the RAM?
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Or should I use PETSc for that?
 
@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut is just crazy enough to ask all those questions for us. I nominate him.
 
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Code Golf: Write a program that results in the RAM being physically ejected from the machine it is running on. Rules: Program must be loaded in RAM when ejection occurs. Program cannot overtly pay off a home repair technician to break into your house and rip out the RAM.
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2:48 AM
Skeptics: I've heard a computer can still run after the RAM has been ripped out, is this true?
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Bitcoin: Will I lose all of my bitcoins if I rip the RAM out of my machine while it's running
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SeasonedAdvice: Will ripping the RAM from my computer provide me with a good source of gold flakes for my desserts?
 
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RPG: If I cross-class into Hacker, do I get a bonus to physically removing the RAM from a computer while it's running? Would this be governed by STR or INT?
 
@ChrisWhite Neither, DEX
Photography: If I time it properly, will ripping RAM out of a computer produce a beautiful flash of sparks that I can capture with my DSLR?
 
@KyleKanos You're revealing your inner nerd (moreso than already done by sitting in a physics chat room)
Which oddly enough is very rarely about physics. Mostly about mocking.
 
2:56 AM
@tpg2114 Sadly, I never played DND until I was in my MS program
And even then, it was just about a dozen sessions over the course of a year
 
@KyleKanos I played it back in... like middle school maybe. But meh
I never liked the roleplaying part of it. Just the game part of it
 
I haven't played it since, but I've been wanting to. I haven't really found the time, something about having research, wife, & kids to tend to
I had two DM's, one I enjoyed (though he followed a book we could cheat with by looking online) and one I didn't (he made shit up on the spot and was really bogus)
 
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I've only ever played two sessions, but I suspect I could be addicted very easily - I could easily have ended up spending the prime of my life in a different stackexchange chat room
 
Nobody liked playing with me cause I wouldn't act in-character. I really didn't like that side of it
 
@tpg2114 One of the problems I had is that I didn't know what my character should be
I wanted to be a big bruiser
But I got the wrong weapon (1d12 because it had higher damage potential)
Took some ill-advised feats
And ended up hating the guy
 
3:00 AM
I had that problem too... I actually still do in computer games, but I lose interest in a concept pretty quickly and move on to the next concept
 
So I changed characters
I ended up loving my second character
 
I never played D&D with feats and stuff, I think that's from like version 3 or 3.5 onwards? I only played AD&D 2nd edition, which is way less "stuff"
 
I played 4e
I ended up playing an Avenger: dnd4.wikia.com/wiki/Avenger
 
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@tpg2114 Opposite of my problem - everyone I knew was really into optimization, when I couldn't care less. I optimize code for a living; I don't like crunching numbers while gaming too.
 
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the only exception maybe is finding the super-optimal simcity layouts - spent far too many hours doing that
 
3:04 AM
@ChrisWhite I didn't optimize things (that didn't really exist in AD&D2). It was more like I'd say "I try to convince the guard..." rather than actually acting it out.
If I wanted to act, I'd be in theater. I wanted to play a game
@ChrisWhite I never had much luck past SC2000... The rest were more complicated than they needed to be for my fun
Plus I didn't like having to design an entire region just to make a city good
 
I never really got into any of the Sim games
I was big into CS1.5/Half-life
 
Never played either of those
 
I did get HL2 and CS2, but eventually I got married and gave it all up
 
Most of my game time in life was spent on the Civilization series and the Railroad Tycoon series
And Masters of Orion, the original version. I'll still play that game
 
3:24 AM
Can anyone help me out with a problem?
 
Maybe, but if history is any indication it won't be me...
I'm not terribly useful for physics it turns out
 
Me neither!
That's why I need your help.
 
Fire away, if I can't help then somebody who reads it might be able to
 
I don't know if I described it amply enough... I can try to elaborate.
basically there is the periodicity on the left, and the difference from a linear grating on the right, and I have no idea how they got one from the other
 
Can you edit in a link to the article like the comment suggests?
Either a DOI link or the landing page for the journal article on the publisher's site or something
 
3:27 AM
Er I'm not sure it's publicly available
 
Doesn't matter
 
Aight lemme find it
 
Most of the people around here are at universities and can get access to it
 
See I thought I would be able to-but I couldn't find a way to get access. None of the sites I was trying to use had Berkeley listed :/
 
What's the title?
 
3:30 AM
I can't find the link, the title is Analysis of distortion in interferometric lithography J.Ferrera, M.L.Schattenberg and H.I.Smith
J. Vac. Sci. Technol. B14 (1996) 4009-4013
 
Just to improve your search abilities:
Google scholar rocks
 
I wasn't aware that existed. :(
Thank you.
 
Really? Man, Google Scholar is the one way to get any work done!
You can set it to add a link to your university's library so it will search the library for it for you
@Anthony Have you tried to dig out reference 1? The paper says the interference pattern is modeled as hyperbolae and gives that citation
The equations you're asking about appear to have terms related to hyperbolae in it, so maybe the derivation/explanation of those equations appears in [1]
 
Oh dear. Lemme see if I can grab the article online-berkeley should have it.....
 
3:36 AM
Especially since they just give the period and the phase shift, my guess is that reference has the details (and since there's no other citations in the neighborhood of the equations)
I think it's a book, or a chapter in a book. I'll search for it
 
How do I add my university?
 
Next to "My Citations" there should be an arrow
When you click on that, there's a settings choice
And on the left, click on Library Links
 
Aight I added them.
 
I think the article is called
Holographic gratings
There ya go
I can't get it online, only a physical copy from my library so I can't help you much more from here.
 
Thanks man, I'm lost in the internet
 
3:45 AM
But generally when you see equations in articles that you have no idea where they came from, it's because they are pulled from another source and just put in as facts
So look for citations in the neighborhood and start your crawling through the citation web
 
I spent so long staring at it...
Haha.
 
The hardest part about doing research work is learning how to research
It takes practice to be able to find articles quickly, to know how people phrase things so you know if you need to go elsewhere for the information, etc
Since there's absolutely no context given here and they don't say "starting from here, you can get to here" kind of things, it generally means they are just writing the equations from another source
 
Thank you.
 
No problem, hopefully you find what you need
 
Yeah, I still can't even get the main one to open
I'm logged into berkeley's library
andd..... nothing.
 
4:17 AM
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Q: Law of equipartition

ShuklaSannidhyaLaw of equipartition predicts the heat capacity of gases correctly. It assumes that inter-molecular attraction in gases is negligible (which is true). But for solids, inter-molecular attraction is not negligible, the, how come it still predicts the correct value for molar heat capacity? How can ...

 
 
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5:19 AM
Agh
I can't get google scholar to work, and my library blows
 
5:48 AM
@DavidZ Given some recent discussion, has this meta post been superseded by another?
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Q: Should we allow computational questions?

David ZI'm wondering whether questions such as these should be considered appropriate on this site: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/115/mathematica-to-help-for-an-hamiltonian-problem http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/107/conversion-from-fits-to-netcdf http://physics.stackexchange....

 
6:05 AM
@tpg2114 perhaps, but I can't figure out which one :-P
That post dates back to before Computational Science was a site, so it definitely should have been (or should be) updated.
 
@DavidZ I didn't have the motivation to trawl through a bunch of questions
Thought I'd see if you knew of any
 
Well, there are the linked questions
but we should figure that out at some point
 
I actually still agree with the policy in that question/answer
 
 
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9:26 AM
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Q: Has our policy on astronomy questions changed now that Astronomy beta is open?

NathanielI noticed that this question was migrated to the new Astronomy beta site: http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/1845/spotting-international-space-station My understanding was that since the merger with the old astronomy site, all astronomy questions were on topic here, including practical...

 
 
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11:24 AM
@ChrisWhite same here... :/
@tpg2114 Oh... while nominating, make sure you people bribe a manager (say Shog) in SO so that they won't bury me with VTC's... :P
@tpg2114 @ChrisWhite @KyleKanos: You people do all these nuisance and blame me as "crazy"... LAAAAAAAAME!!!!!
 
 
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1:26 PM
Since I won't be around for the riveting chat session today, I'll leave everyone with my opinion, as expressed so well by Jerry Schirmer:
 
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I vociferously disagree with this. Graduate students can do their own damn homework just as much as high school students can. — Jerry Schirmer Feb 15 at 14:16
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3:47 PM
chat event?
hellooo?
 
I'm here
But it's still 13 minutes away by my computer
 
yeah, it is
Btw, interested in chemistry?
 
Not entirely
 
We're thinking of having an unanswered-question-triage chat event series
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I like protons and that's about it
 
3:49 PM
Possibly with swag involved
 
Sounds like fun, I just don't know anything about chemistry to be useful
 
I'll be logged in from my phone for the first few minutes of the chat session
So someone else should get it started
 
I volunteer Manish to do it
 
So, what are we discussing today?
runs away
is simultaeously drafting meta.chem post
 
Chat session and review of homework policy
 
3:59 PM
italics are fun
 
I suppose the first question to ask is: was the "No Unilateral Mod Closing" experiment a success
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I had an exam, so I haven't been able to watch the site for changes
Noticed anything different?
 
It was slightly successful I guess, in the sense that we got a bit of feedback about what sorts of questions people want to allow
 
I didn't notice anything about closing rates
 
very contradictory feedback :o
 
4:03 PM
Though, there certainly was a lot more questions in the Review Queue
 
Only 5 CVs in the queue, and no mod activity in it for the past few days
What I can do is scrape a list of the posts that got reviewed in the past week, as well as the final verdict. But i'll need time to whip up the script
 
What do you mean "final verdict"? Like how many got closed as duplicates, how many closed due to HW-like, etc?
 
@KyleKanos yeah
and how many got not-closed
Not how many as much as which ones
 
I can imagine that would be useful to see which ones are being seen as homework-like
 
eeexactly.
 
4:10 PM
Yeah, that would be very useful.
No rush on it though
If nothing else I'll be traveling the rest of this week so I won't be able to do much of anything on the homework policy until next week
 
By the way, we might get that citation script after all.
 
That would be useful
One thing I'm still really confused about is what sort of graduate-level homework questions people want to allow. Surely the community doesn't support a question copied and pasted straight out of a textbook?
 
I don't think we (the ones here) can decide that since we're not the ones who are in favor of allowing graduate level HW questions
At least I'm not
 
True
But there seem to be all kinds of opinions on the matter
 
And as much as I'd like to say "those who show up decide," I also don't feel like fighting the result of that decision
 
4:18 PM
I'm okay with grad-level questions so long as effort is made
 
@tpg2114 well the mods all agree with you, I think
If the community is ambivalent, I often go with what is said on chat. But in this case quite a few people seemed to be in favor, so it might be worth gathering more feedback.
 
@KyleKanos Define effort? "Here's the question but I don't even know where to get started" doesn't count as effort to me, but others would seem okay with leaving questions like that provided it's on an advanced topic and not Newtonian mechanics
 
I'm thinking about putting up a meta post with some sample graduate-level homework questions with varying levels of effort - perhaps one question per answer, poll-style, and people vote/comment on whether or not they should be allowed
 
Good idea
 
@tpg2114 Surely statements like that are correctly effortless.
 
4:21 PM
@KyleKanos I agree, but I don't think everybody else does
 
Which why a guideline needs to be drawn to say that it isn't showing effort
Perhaps even splitting the close vote options up? One for Concepts and one for Effort?
 
FWIW, I'm not really sure if grad level HW is that easily distinguishable from a conceptual question
 
I'll try to make that meta post today before I leave, but I'm not sure if I'll have time to
@ManishEarth trust me, it is. A no-effort grad level homework question is clearly not conceptual.
 
@ManishEarth I disagree. A lot of homework I've had is not conceptual in nature, not any moreso than undergrad or high school homework
 
@DavidZ I dunno. The one that was being discussed on meta was phrased as an HW dump but seemed conceptual
 
4:23 PM
Which one?
 
"Derive the non-dimensional form of Navier-Stokes assuming low velocities" is no more conceptual than "Find the velocity of the car if it was not moving when it started and it went 10 meters in 10 seconds" if the person asking just says "I don't know where to start"
 
Yeah, see I think there's some confusion among people about what qualifies as grad-level homework.
 
Definitely any question that contains, "I don't know where to start" should be closed
If you don't know where to start, go to your professor
 
@DavidZ the twisty H one
 
@DavidZ Also true -- for physics students, questions about defining a Lagrangian for a mechanics problem is probably not grad level. But for me, I never came across Lagrangian's until grad school
 
4:25 PM
@tpg2114 huh
 
And so defining the Lagrangian for a mass on a spring is graduate level homework for me
Because it was actually homework in my structural mechanics class
 
I too never saw the Lagrangian until I hit grad school.
 
My guess is any attempts to distinguish between acceptable and unacceptable homework based on the difficulty of the subject is never going to work
Because what's high-level/hard for one, may be low-level/trivial to another
 
@tpg2114 if/when I post that meta question, you should contribute a sample homework question or two along those lines
OK, anyway, so: on the homework thing, we're waiting for Manishearth to collect some data on what got closed last week, and also for some more feedback on graduate-level homework questions
...anything else to discuss?
 
4:42 PM
That would appear to be a no
Do we need a motion to end early? :)
 
Not really
 
hah
Any physicsy things?
 
I would mention that I'll be at the Science Online conference the rest of the week so maybe I can talk up Stack Exchange to a few people
 
What happens if a blackhole forms inside my computer and destroys the RAM while it's running?
 
@DavidZ not taking any swag this time? :p
 
4:44 PM
@tpg2114 That'd be a good Astronomy post
 
I still have most of it left over from last time
actually last last last time
 
@KyleKanos Only if I asked how one could observe it while it was happening
 
Hmm, so it'd be a Physics quesiton then
 
How can that happen in a computer?
 
Let's not get too sidelined by ridiculous joke questions... hah
 
4:46 PM
@APARAJITA It can't.
We had a running gag last night (see the starred comments to the right) about ripping RAM out of computers
 
Oh ok, but can u explain how a black hole form in an accelerator?
 
Well you'd need a collision with something like 1e20 GeV in energy to produce it with particles
Since the LHC works in the 1e3 GeV range, it's not going to happen in our lifetime.
 
But there is always a fear about it coming into existence
 
@APARAJITA Fear and possibility are two different things
 
Fears promulgated by people who don't know the science of it
 
4:53 PM
Well even I'm a learner,
How will a bigger lhc be more beneficial than the existing one?
 
Even if a proton+proton or lead-lead collision produces a micro-black hole, it'd last for an infinitesimal time (like 1e-20 seconds)
@APARAJITA I'm not a particle physicist, so I cannot answer that question
 
Then what happens to the small black hole?
 
@APARAJITA it lets us have collisions with higher energy, which means we can produce more massive particles (either fundamental ones, if there are any more to be found, or more massive bound states of quarks), and it also lets us probe more niche aspects of the structure of the known particles. Plus it makes it easier to investigate new phenomena like the quark-gluon plasma.
 
@APARAJITA It radiates its matter away
Hawking radiation is black body radiation that is predicted to be released by black holes, due to quantum effects near the event horizon. It is named after the physicist Stephen Hawking, who provided a theoretical argument for its existence in 1974, and sometimes also after Jacob Bekenstein, who predicted that black holes should have a finite, non-zero temperature and entropy. Hawking's work followed his visit to Moscow in 1973 where the Soviet scientists Yakov Zeldovich and Alexei Starobinsky showed him that according to the quantum mechanical uncertainty principle, rotating black holes...
 
So u mean that the black exits no more??
I'm eager so pls don mind, why are proton- proton smashed? What happens to it?
 
5:04 PM
The protons break down into their component quarks--but only for a very short time (1e-15 or so seconds)
 
@APARAJITA you might be interested in the blog post I just put up yesterday
 
What happens after breaking up into quarks?
 
@APARAJITA you can't
Color confinement, often simply called confinement, is the phenomenon that color charged particles (such as quarks) cannot be isolated singularly, and therefore cannot be directly observed. Quarks, by default, clump together to form groups, or hadrons. The two types of hadrons are the mesons (one quark, one antiquark) and the baryons (three quarks). The constituent quarks in a group cannot be separated from their parent hadron, and this is why quarks can never be studied or observed in any more direct way than at a hadron level. Origin The reasons for quark confinement are somewhat co...
 
I know I have read it, but Kyle kanos just said so
 
Ah, like that. Well, there will be virtual quarks shielding them, so effectively the proton has broken into mesons
 
5:10 PM
It's not so much that they break down into their component quarks - in other words, the quarks don't actually separate. They still stay in the same proton-sized volume of space. It's just that on short time scales they act as individual quarks rather than as components of a larger structure. (this is called asymptotic freedom)
 
The above few posts is why I'm not the guy to ask. This stuff isn't my forte
 
Thank u David z , Kyle kanos and manish earth, n others too!!
 
 
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Q: Yet another quantum-entanglement-gives-faster-than-light-communication question

Emilio PisantyI recently misread this question and wrote a nice answer for what turned out not to be the question at all. I then proceeded to look quite carefully for the question I had actually answered, and I found that we don't really have a question (or answers) about the specific scheme described in The...

 
8:05 PM
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Q: Is there an intuitive explanation for the Feynman-Kac-Theorem?

RaphaelThe Feynman-Kac theorem states that for an Ito-process of the form $$dX_t = \mu(t, X_t)dt + \sigma(t, X_t)dW_t$$ there is a measurable function $g$ such that $$g_t(t,x) + g_x(t, x) \mu(t,x) + \frac{1}{2} g_{xx}(t,x)\sigma(t,x)^2 = 0$$ with an appropriate boundary condition $h$: $g(T,x) = h(x)$. ...

Weird place for that to show up.
 
 
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9:53 PM
@KyleKanos I did. I ran out of close votes almost every day.
Based on looking at a lot of other 3k members VTC history and the review-queue activity though. I find I'm definitely more liberal with the VTCs than most others.
 
@BrandonEnright I noticed that too, but my point was about the rate at which posts were closed and not the amount of closing we had to do as a collective
 
@KyleKanos Ah yeah well I didn't really feel like there were a ton of HW questions just begging to be closed that couldn't get enough votes. So in that regard it seemed like a success.
 
There were a couple times that I wish we had the 5 3k+ members voting all at once because some bad Q's got answered by young users
 
@KyleKanos Yeah I saw that too but even with mods, that still happens a lot because the mods aren't here 24/7 to jump on them.
 
I know
 
10:00 PM
We could probably use another mod or two for that sort of thing. I think Emilio Pisanty would be a great mod.
I dunno if anyone else think we need more mods though or even if somebody like Emilio would want the job.
 
Is mbq active? I honestly don't really recall seeing him/her around
 
@KyleKanos very rarely it seems.
mbq's last activity was oct 21
Probably time to reclaim that mod role.
 
Is that worth a meta post?
Asking if it's time to maybe swap mbq out?
 
@KyleKanos Probably. I suppose there is no reason why you or I couldn't ask it.
 
10:29 PM
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Q: Is it time to review and update our moderators?

Brandon EnrightModerating Physics.SE is clearly a lot of work. We attract a lot of off-topic posts and crazy crackpot theories. I don't see a lot of thanks or appreciation going to our moderators either. Thank you to all of our hard working moderators for handling all of the work our site creates! That bein...

 
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Q: Is it time to review and update our moderators?

Brandon EnrightModerating Physics.SE is clearly a lot of work. We attract a lot of off-topic posts and crazy crackpot theories. I don't see a lot of thanks or appreciation going to our moderators either. Thank you to all of our hard working moderators for handling all of the work our site creates! That bein...

 
Ah dang I forgot Meta would post that. Now I can't delete my message. Sorry for the dup folks :-/
 

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