The Loop

6:25 AM

@Rarst WP are hoping that Yahoo's purchase of Tumblr will be similar in effect to their purchase of Flickr, they want to grab as much market share from Tumblr as possible. This is problem with post formats crap, which is executed poorly imo. If they just approach the architecture in my thought out process, they'd have better result. But that's just my opp...

Tom J Nowell

8:48 AM

They want to be the new tumblr so that they can get invited to swankier parties in Silicon Valley

Which considering the commercial, all over the place nature of wordpress.com is unlikely to happen anytime soon, post formats or not

userabuser

9:26 AM

@TomJNowell if that were true, I'll run for the hills... and we can create that CMS that we keep talking about but never do anything about :P

Tom J Nowell

quite a lot of people are building their own cms from scratch as a hobby

there're plenty of WordPress competitors slowly being built, getting launched, and killed before they reach maturity

it's not so much a case of build it and they will come

as to what to do once v1 is released and nobody knows about it yet

for ultimate traction we'd need to compromise it with WordPress API wrappers

Rarst

that's essentially the current puzzle. you can't build something technically modern and popular at the same time. sacrifice one or another. maybe that's why WP isn't so quick to progress on PHP version and kicking hosts forward? level the playing field and suddenly you compete against modern systems that can run on same range of environments as you

it's like perverted reverse evolution where creature evolves environment to be most stuitable for it :)

userabuser

9:44 AM

@TomJNowell As @kaiser said it should be similar to that of WP to make the transition easy for people. Personally everytime I have written a half assed skeleton attempt at my own CMS it has been Wordpress-esque; basically just righting all the wrongs.

Rarst

what they should be really afraid then is leap in static site generators from "nerd" realm.

userabuser

I think if trac had a more positive uptake to patch submissions my opinion would be different

@Rarst I don't think you'll ever see stat generators cause much of any trouble tbh

Rarst

@userabuser they keep coming back recurrently. and every time they come back they have more intricate range of programming tools and languages to play with.

Tom J Nowell

My thoughts are build a core cms and a blog plugin, and release that as a distribution

As if WordPress implemented blog posts in a plugin and bundled it akismet style activated by default

should probably do the same with WordPress APIs

minus some notable bugaboos like query_posts

userabuser

@Rarst people like us, yeah we'd use them, but for mainstream solution, unless that staticness gets a whole lot of automagical love then mainstream people won't use it... but hey time will tell.

Rarst

9:47 AM

imagine desktop app that is diary-like and can at push of a button publish your blog to everything from dropbox to any site that has FTP to Amazon S3 to affordable (few $) custom-tailored hosted service

Tom J Nowell

PHPCR?

userabuser

@TomJNowell as a separate project or as a plugin of WP?

Rarst

no database to deal with, no server requirements, no dying under anything but most extreme traffic

userabuser

@Rarst ooo you should email me for top secret stuff on this :)

Tom J Nowell

something to look at, undecided if its something that should be used or not

Rarst

9:49 AM

we can scoff at static site generators now because it's technical mess for nerds for the sake of running anywhere, but it is almost exactly what people scoff at WP - technical mess for the sake of running anywhere

Tom J Nowell

essentially i think posts and terms are the way to go, albeit taxonomies should be implemented more like scribus posts 2 posts plugin

or whomever maintains that now

@Rarst if we can get a PHP runtime + sqlite working locally and just have a basic 'push' mechanism as you mentioned earlier it's a nonissue

userabuser

@TomJNowell Already messing with this on TideSDK

Rarst

@TomJNowell yeah, WP itself is very close to achieveing this. pieces are out there already, just not coherent and robust enough

Tom J Nowell

@Rarst could you add a way of tagging API functions on query posts as recommended, then a page to list them all out?

stuff like the core base APIs everything else wraps around, the essentials

i'd guess a non-heirarchical taxonomy would do the job

Rarst

I have plans for better organizaing and relevance logic, but parser change is damn kryptonite for it

userabuser

10:04 AM

@Rarst I'm using PHPReflect for this purpose and it does what you need, consider changing if so..

Rarst

I was thiiiis close to move to WP-Parser then got stuck again and its development has consistency of dice roll

userabuser

@Rarst noo.. seriously stay away from wp-parser, so much better to use PHPReflect or PHP-Parser directly I found

Rarst

but does it do hooks?

userabuser

No you need to extend the parser to capture hooks, essentially you are extended base class to scan strings within start-end lines of functions/methods.

Rarst

thus WP-Parser...

userabuser

10:08 AM

yah but aren't you having problems with wp parser like you said last time?

Rarst

it's minor problem. which I hoped to be quickly resolved by smarter people than me after I open issue about it. two months later...

userabuser

end-line problem right?

Rarst

yeah... so I ended up doing other things meanwhile like Laps and Fragment Cache

userabuser

lol

something good come of it at least

Rarst

not for QP...

userabuser

10:11 AM

progress is still progress no matter where it is...

Tom J Nowell

What I was suggesting would be more of a manual task than an automated one

userabuser

plus, from what you told me about FC, it sounds damn useful

Rarst

yeah, but there is nobel kind of progress and ignobel kind of progress :)

@userabuser try for yourself, I pushed current state up bitbucket.org/Rarst/fragment-cache no invalidation yet, it's pain

userabuser

@Rarst Why you no github whore?

Rarst

because I much prefer Mercurial?

Tom J Nowell

10:13 AM

Im surprised github havent implemented a mercurial wrapper like they did with svn

userabuser

yeah quite ↑

Rarst

@TomJNowell Kiln did (other way, they started with mercurial), not as easy as for SVN

more precisely Kiln didn't do "wrappers", they created single system which exposes both git and mercurial interfaces

out to drag cat for shots

PS composer makes github/bitbucket distinction irrelevant for install since it uses API for both to generate and provide HTTP download links. composer all the things!

Tom J Nowell

how cosmopolitan

Ive someone who wanted a 1 line change to a file in a github repo so I suggested they send a pull request

behold 6 months of tirading against git

userabuser

10:45 AM

@TomJNowell Should have listed pros/cons for this - maybe he did not understand

Tom J Nowell

he'd have closed anyway

it's not so much a flaw in his PHP knowledge but a flaw in his workflow

userabuser

What do you mean by workflow exactly?

kaiser

11:01 AM

hehe

Just read all your conversation from last night and today about WP replacement. Maybe we should just start a rough sketch on a Google Doc.

userabuser

@kaiser maybe we should...

Tom J Nowell

my thoughts exactly

right what emails do I share this doc with?

userabuser

thing is, can we write it from scratch or do we have to use a framework? I'd prefer only drop in libs where neccessary

Tom J Nowell

well what frameworks would we use?

any replacement would benefit enormously from being able to grab libraries to speed up development to save time

I'd think that pulling in a library rather than building on top would be best

one should be glueing things together not depositing code on existing foundations

userabuser

Even though I'm down with the likes of Laravel/Fuel/Silex/Slim and even Symfony to lesser extent, I'd rather use drop in libs and settle on our own framework.

Tom J Nowell

11:12 AM

hmmm that's something I think you should research and put together something comparing

or at least design such a framework

afterall we could easily be bogged down in architecture astronaut hell

userabuser

@TomJNowell e.g. Klein router just got re-write to v2, which is now class based. Something like this would be a nice drop in for routing. But as its a drop in, we are not confined.

Tom J Nowell

there're advantages to reusing one of the existing frameworks. e.g. a well built symfony WP replacement would torpedo the symfony cms projects and draw in existing devs

userabuser

@TomJNowell Well... it really starts with our choice in router, as to where we go from there imo.

Tom J Nowell

we need to define our scope of WordPress support too

userabuser

@TomJNowell True that, but then we have to consider Laravel... imo.

Tom J Nowell

11:13 AM

I dont know much of laravel

@userabuser @kaiser doc setup, where do I share it to?

userabuser

I'd more inclined to use Silex than Symf.. but that's me

kaiser

Already at sharing... @TomJNowell What's your mail again?

Tom J Nowell

contact@tomjn.com

kaiser

@Rarst @bungeshea @anu Yours?

bungeshea

What?

kaiser

11:17 AM

mail address

bungeshea

For google or other

kaiser

google docs

bungeshea

Oh wait... it will be the same

kaiser

/drive

bungeshea

info@bungeshea.com should work

kaiser

11:18 AM

done

nice thing with google docs: you see everyones name inline exactly where he currently has the cursor

already thought about if it would be worth the time to build a google apps collab code editor on top of it

userabuser

@kaiser there are other collab tools like this on github

lkraav

@kaiser you are familiar with etherpad-lite, right...?

userabuser

as @lkraav said.. :)

kaiser

@lkraav nope

lkraav

get on it, then. best thing since sliced google docs.

kaiser

11:21 AM

kool - thanks

Tom J Nowell

@lkraav isnt that java?

google docs is essentially staroffice with a wrapper isnt it?

bungeshea

Something mentioned on WP Daily … Mozilla Towtruck

Works for code towtruck.mozillalabs.com/example/code

It looks pretty slick … just link a js file, and send someone a link

lkraav

what the heck, when did that arrive

i thought i knew ALL of them

ALL

userabuser

there's also interior.substance.io/modules/surface.html

kaiser

Back to WP Replacement

userabuser

11:24 AM

lol

kaiser

Do we need hooks/filters/action API?

userabuser

yes!

@kaiser I have been doing much playing in this area myself... Filters

kaiser

I'm highly against hooks. Don't think that they're ever needed if there're already filters.

Tom J Nowell

we'll need an API implementation of that kind anyway if we're to implement WP APIs at all

hooks are a more sophisticated goto

they have their use but there are far better ways of doing things

kaiser

Same goes for every public API function/method that echos something. Everyone can simply echo something. Never understood that concept.

userabuser

11:26 AM

@kaiser I agree, that filters are better than an action.

Tom J Nowell

noob friendliness that ends up being counterproductive

kaiser

And it's far less confusing when there's only one thing

userabuser

exactly..

lkraav

oh so the main topic here was "how to we replace WP?"

kaiser

Reduce the amount of things and make the concept clear - imo the only goal that's really needed.

@lkraav jes

Tom J Nowell

11:28 AM

if we rebuilt WP what would it look like

speccing' it out essentially

userabuser

@kaiser and actions vs filters is a good example of just that

kaiser

the_filter() and get_the_filters() :D

toscho

I will laugh everything out of business that relies on public static callback string identifiers.

kaiser

confusion all over

Tom J Nowell

what about p2p and taxonomies?

should we roll them in together into a generic node map style implementation?

userabuser

11:31 AM

Question: Templating, I am not fond of global things like get_header(), get_f*cked(), etc... how to approach this?

Tom J Nowell

current DB structure is hardly optimal

bungeshea

How about … phpdoc for plugin headers? :)

userabuser

@TomJNowell Yeah for that DB structure needs to be re-thought entirely

Tom J Nowell

@userabuser at the very least stuff like get_header() could be swapped for get_template_part( 'header' )

@bungeshea composer json

bungeshea

Ooh yes!

userabuser

11:33 AM

@TomJNowell It'd be nice to prefix with static call like Template::DoSomething();

Tom J Nowell

it'd possibly be an improvement but it feels wrong

I doubt @toscho would approve

kaiser

@toscho maybe you want to jump in on lower level ... right now? :)

userabuser

@TomJNowell explain to me your feelings my son...

Tom J Nowell

well it doesnt really fix the problem or define it, it just moves it somewhere else

userabuser

true

Tom J Nowell

11:34 AM

instead of a bunch of functions, we get a static class with a bunch of static functions

toscho

@kaiser no

kaiser

Yes, that's a clear answer.

Question is: Templating - Twig? Mustache? Whatever? ... or PHP.

At least, PHP is a templating language as well.

bungeshea

blog stuff, comments, etc separated into modules

Tom J Nowell

People will want PHP, some will want twig, I dont think we should force one upon people

userabuser

I like both twig and mustache, but would really prefer to work this out in PHP - I'm sure we can come up with something that addressed the fundemental global issue of templating in WP.

Tom J Nowell

11:36 AM

exactly

else we face a "eurgh twig" or "eurgh mustache" instant rejection

kaiser

So just leaving it open if one wants to implement some templating engine on top of WPR.

Tom J Nowell

same goes for post content format, markdown vs html, it needs to be a choice else we get a marmite reaction

kaiser

right

Tom J Nowell

I say we have an API and a default implementation

toscho

The template must be handled by an extendable view class.

userabuser

11:37 AM

@TomJNowell You raise a good point, but the question then remains is are we creating something that has mass uptake, therefore requires some kind of standardization or are we going to do something that gives you every option under the sun to template with thus diluting ones ability to pick up from one installation to another..

remember this is a CMF/CMS, not necessarily a low-level framework

Tom J Nowell

@userabuser standard APIs and extendability, if someone wants to implement it they have the ability to

userabuser

ok

Tom J Nowell

even if it's mass uptake, some people will try to do unusual things

it's a case of providing good defaults

userabuser

yeah the ability to decouple should be there... but good defaults is where my head is at.. right now

kaiser

@toscho like $view = new View(); and $view->render()->header()? Or what's your basic idea about such class?

Tom J Nowell

11:40 AM

well the choice for post content at the moment is either the WordPress way or the markdown way, the other methods havent the traction

userabuser

For post content, there should be both methods available simultaneously, switching between view tabs.

Possibly will require some extending of markdown to handle some things...

kaiser

Outcome should anyway have
A) one click install
B) install and _blog_

toscho

@kaiser Yes, something like this. Leaving the internals aside, a theme would be just a child class of the default view.

bungeshea

@userabuser or side-by-side live preview

kaiser

@toscho Agree to everything, but not the theme word. Unless you extend theme to every sort of view.

Like admin-theme, public-theme, etc.

toscho

11:42 AM

theme is what the end user knows from Tumblr and WordPress.

userabuser

@bungeshea exactly my thoughts! Kind of like how SE does it, and also in fact like @stephenharris Wp-markdown plugin does it.

bungeshea

and how ghost does it

kaiser

@toscho yes. but from the requests I read over the last years, most people don't really need an admin interface. they want forms exactly where the content is. admin seems like a burden for most systems.

userabuser

I use Stephen's WP-markdown plugin for this very purpose and love it, except the markdown itself needs to be extended to handle a more fluid approach to writing html.

bungeshea

it needs shell access

so you can just wordpress install <plugin-name>

Tom J Nowell

11:44 AM

@kaiser an admin interface is useful, I dont know if it's avoidable, even with a good dose of frontend editing

toscho

@kaiser I haven’t said anything about admin.

kaiser

@toscho You didn't. I did. :)

Tom J Nowell

I say we stick to the theme terminology

kaiser

Just wanted to include this instantly.

userabuser

ya ↑

Tom J Nowell

11:45 AM

it's useful, it's known, and people will latch on to it

userabuser

@TomJNowell agreed 100%

theme, plugin... simple.

toscho

If you need a name four your … thingy, just ask me. :D

Tom J Nowell

if we dont and we become popular, someone will likely try to create a themes bundle before reading more docs and face palming

kaiser

@toscho feel yourself asked

Tom J Nowell

eurgh names

toscho

11:46 AM

Chatty

TomPress

Tomy

TommyPress

iTom

...sorry had to say it.

Tom J Nowell

11:47 AM

>_<

kaiser

TomPalm

Tom J Nowell

I have to go in a minute

userabuser

It should be called... Thing

kaiser

Thingadingdong

userabuser

Patchwork

Tom J Nowell

11:48 AM

"Content"

bungeshea

Anything but WordPress-reloaded-fix-extended

kaiser

Kontent

bungeshea

like the plugins on wp.org

userabuser

Ambiguous

toscho

@userabuser Cool, we could ask Kurt Russell for public support.

userabuser

11:48 AM

@bungeshea hahaha

Tom J Nowell

Yet Another WP WordPress Reloaded Fix Extended Redux Deluxe Pro Ultimate Edition

userabuser

@toscho I'm sure he will oblige.

...delux

WP-Ultimate Edition

Word

11:49 AM

Lexicon

Tom J Nowell

hmmmm all spammy SEO-ey or focusing on publishing

keep in mind people build apps and things

toscho

After three years of writing code, you all are sitting around like this. :)

Tom J Nowell

which means an ajax api of sorts, we need to set a paradigm

@toscho shhhh, momentum is gathering, dont stall it

Ill be back soon, I expect v1.0 when I return

userabuser

@TomJNowell No version numbering, we need things like XP and Millennium

lkraav

is there anything optimize the wp_customize add_section, add_setting add_control dance

Rarst

11:53 AM

@TomJNowell Symfony CMF, not CMS and I doubt WP clone would be contender for it

lkraav

something more... QML style declarative thing

kaiser

WordPress got Jazz musicians. I vote for a Ghetto-style-rap version naming.

Version 1.0 - Muthafugger

Version 1.1 - Spliffy King

bungeshea

We should start on 3.1, like Windows NT

Just to make people pay attention

kaiser

NT came after 3.1

Rarst

I step away and...

userabuser

11:56 AM

@toscho ↑ after three years of programming...

kaiser

hehe

@userabuser Aren't you half Italian?

userabuser

yeah

bungeshea

SerpDrow

then we can have capital_D_dangit

userabuser

WorpDress

toscho

@bungeshea That should be your first function anyway.

userabuser

12:00 PM

fired on the spot for writing that function

bungeshea

Matt fires himself

userabuser

capital_P_damnshit

bungeshea

WTF

Word The F***

userabuser

@bungeshea ...and creates rip in space time continuum

What The Foundation?

bungeshea

perhaps

userabuser

12:01 PM

...or better yet, Where's The Foundation? (hehe)

bungeshea

lol

WordZilla

userabuser

BroZilla?

anything but a name with Word in it :)

BruZilla

haha

Sentences

12:06 PM

haha..

bungeshea

ParaPress

userabuser

We can't agree on a name for this fucking thing

that's my final suggestion.

bungeshea

That's it!

toscho

untagged

bungeshea

Professional and catchy

userabuser

12:08 PM

I don't care if people get offended...

our CMS comes complimentary with a box of tissues for those that want to cry about it

bungeshea

Ultimate SEO CMS Platinum Deluxe

userabuser

You nearly made me throw up... sound like a bunch of marketing friends I have.

toscho

you have friends?

userabuser

On my payroll yes...

bungeshea

Well, at least the licensing is set …

" … and changing it is allowed as long
as the name is changed … "

kaiser

12:16 PM

What thingy would need as well:

* User Management

* Capability Management

* Role Management

and everything on a solid, easy to use base.

with an UI

userabuser

yes

toscho

Reddit’s database has two tables

kaiser

old hat

Rarst

@toscho see last update, it's two tables per thing

toscho

I know. Just a reminder not to make The Thing overly complex.

Marissa Mayer: We promise not to screw it up.

bungeshea

12:27 PM

Well, I'm going to bed now

see ya

toscho

Has anyone noticed how damn early those Australians go to bed?

kaiser

And we need relationships

@bungeshea good night

Media Management - best combined with Assetic to use all those fancy image compression stuff as well

And Assetic can really do it all

@All off topic : Where the heck does WordPress save the display name for a role? The role object (WP_Role) doesn't hold it.

withdrawing question. it's an registration arg...

userabuser

12:45 PM

@toscho define("EARLY", "?"); ?

toscho

@userabuser You, Sir, are the reason for our tag line.

userabuser

Do I get a badge?

toscho

nope

Badges are for things you do, not for things you don’t do. :)

userabuser

But you just said I was the "reason", therefore technically I "did" it...

Stack Exchange

1:02 PM

SE network updates: Retag option from questions is removed. Editing tags only will result in the same behavior as retag.

posted on May 08, 2013

Retag option from questions is removed. Editing tags only will result in the same behavior as retag.

SE network updates: Edits reverted during the grace period will now remain in the post history instead of vanishing.

posted on May 17, 2013

Edits reverted during the grace period will now remain in the post history instead of vanishing.

Tom J Nowell

1:35 PM

A basic notifications api?

rather than random crud snippets of html bundled in and js'ed to the top of the page

userabuser

@TomJNowell yes!

Tom J Nowell

I should note that it should be basic, and not be dictated by UI

notification Y that has metadate

userabuser

if the API is intended for the backend then some kind of UI would be required no? If this same API can extend itself to the front end then either no UI or a very minimal one could be present?

Tom J Nowell

the form of the UI shouldnt dictate the API, sure one is probably necessary but maybe it's notifications via email? IM? FB style dropdown? Dashboard list? Inbox style UI? We cant know

we should set out a basic workflow from browser makes request to when page generation finishes, so we can flesh out architecture

it also forces us to think about caching

theverge.com/2013/5/20/4347730/…

its_me

2:40 PM

Anyone know if any improvements to the media uploader are coming in the WP 3.6? Right now uploading a far number of HQ images (< 100) is a huge pain as the media uploader hangs.

Rarst

@its_me none I think

its_me

Oh :/

userabuser

@its_me I get some sluggish behavior on far fewer images sometimes...

its_me

@userabuser The reason is simple. The stupid uploader shows HQ versions of images resized as thumbnails, instead of using the "thumb" size.

Tom J Nowell

@its_me this tends to happen regardless of location, be it OS X finder, windows explorer, or the media uploader

its_me

2:50 PM

@TomJNowell Not sure about what you are saying...

userabuser

@its_me Well if that's the case then that's pathetic.

its_me

Yep. I was very surprised!

Rarst

3:03 PM

@TomJNowell show this to certain... someone :) Submitting Your First Pull Request to a WordPress Plugin on Github

Tom J Nowell

lol

userabuser

haha

Sisir

3:21 PM

on what cases a plugin should use a separate table?

Tom J Nowell

rarely if ever

toscho

@Sisir when your data model doesn’t fit into the WP schema

Sisir

@toscho sounds like alien language. :P

okey.. If i were to create a live chat support plugin. Should I use a separate table to save chat messages? or just use cpt?

toscho

separate

There are probably too many write queries for a regular post table

Sisir

that's what i thought

toscho

3:29 PM

you don’t need post meta fields, it doesn’t have to be part of the regular search, and the indexes should be kept separate too

Rarst

poked hosting support and will probably move my VPS to SSD node (same cost, less storage space)

curious if there will be noticeable performance impact for visitors

Sisir

any best practice tips for creating separate table? any good article link?

Rarst

@Sisir scbFramework can abstract it for you

Sisir

I've downloaded it other day, thanks

toscho

@Sisir Stephen Harris has written some articles about custom databases.

Sisir

4:09 PM

@toscho its a very good article. Thanks!

Stack Exchange

5:34 PM

Blog - Stack Exchange: Company pages on Careers 2.0

Shog9 on May 20, 2013

Stack Overflow has always had a strong focus on individual merit. Although collaboration is encouraged to some extent by the editing features, attribution on posts and the design of user profiles all tend to emphasize rugged individuality, that lone wolf toiling away at a keyboard.

But most of us don’t actually work that way. We’re social creatures by nature, and the most challenging part of finding a good job can be finding the pack you want to run with. In spite of the dearth of features aimed at networking, folks have been using Stack Overflow to find and research potential colle …

toscho

Wasn’t there a developers tab on the wp.org plugin pages?

Rarst

@toscho still is?

toscho

no

wordpress.org/plugins/wp-members

Rarst

I see it?..

toscho

Rarst

5:46 PM

it's after reviews, maybe stylesheet is off for you

toscho

Oh, found it. In a way …

When I make my font size too small to be readable, the tab comes back. Now what?

Rarst

ask Otto to fix or UserCSS

kaiser

Is multiple user roles already implemented by core behind the scenes or does user has to have a single role?

toscho

6:02 PM

zooming out brings it back

kaiser

How stupid is that: $GLOBALS['wp_roles'], which is an instance of WP_Roles holds a roles name, which is the translated display name. But a single WP_Role object, which holds everything that's inside $GLOBALS['wp_roles'], doesn't have the name attached. So to retrieve or update the display name, you have to update WP_Roles as well... why? just: why?

Retrieve key/value (name/display name) pair: global $wp_roles; $wp_roles->get_names();... facepalm

And no pointer to builtin roles.

kaiser

6:29 PM

There should be something like register_role_to_post_type() to automagically map custom post type capabilities to roles...

toscho

7:01 PM

we can describe Thomas as a weekend warrior

Tom J Nowell

oo it called me a 9to5 PHP expert

toscho

what’s that?

Rarst

> Rarst is a high caliber PHP expert who would rather be commenting on issues instead of pushing code. Rarst is an early-week worker who seems to work best in the morning.

timezones screwed up :)

and it died...

kaiser

8:22 PM

Reading that I'm one of the top 21% PHP guys on GitHub makes me sad.

toscho

says a lot about PHP :P

Rarst

didn't even give me a percentile, probably to spare my feelings

kaiser

8:52 PM

Most starred repos on GitHub

bungeshea

It called me a JavaScripter, probably because some of my repos display in the wrong language

toscho

muhaha

kaiser

Most watched: Symfony

_s is under the most watched on page 1... wow

Roots theme under most watched. More than WordPress and _s ... WOW

kaiser

9:06 PM

Reason #1 why to not use the predefined .gitignore files: ~250 open pull requests and the most recent changes for nearly every file is 2 years old. More here.

Rarst

I don't get that... when I want to ignore something - I ignore something.

kaiser

Well, the thing they ignore most is .... pull requests

bosco

I tend to .gitignore my IDE's workspace/project files.

Rarst

I want woo plushie. to do bad things to it.

bosco

@Rarst how about a Woo Voodoo plushie?

Voodoo Woo. Woodoo

Tom J Nowell

10:32 PM

@Rarst I've a woo ninja plush at work, and a little one with movable arms and wooden hands

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