The Loop

Stephen Harris

01:14

@tf Wow, I can't see anything for all that text :/

Stack Exchange

03:55

WordPress News: Summer Mentorship Programs: GSoC and Gnome

posted on April 25, 2013 by Jen Mylo

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Tom J Nowell

08:55

@StephenHarris hmm its now got a bg colour behind it

Rarst

09:50

I got Notable Question badge... asking about query_posts() wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/13764/… I can't remeber what was that about. probably blocked by trauma...

Rarst

10:02

> echo plugin_dir_url("/", __FILE__) . trim(dirname(plugin_basename(__FILE__)), '/'); ?>/img-pingdom-logo.png

aaaalmost remembered right function, but not quite :)

on github or bitbucket this would be quick pull request on dot org... let it be :(

toscho

11:05

CollabNet GitEye: another desktop client for Git. Looks like an Eclipse addon.

Rarst

@toscho seems standalone?.. where do yo usee Eclipse req?

toscho

I said, it looks like one. The Interface is very eclipsic.

Rarst

ah, I read it as "seems to be"

kaiser

12:09

comments_number() has a filter named comments_number with two arguments: $output, $number. Any smart/clever idea how I could check if the function was called?

toscho

@kaiser like this?

Rarst

@kaiser "check if the function was called" ? you mean called at all? did_action()?

kaiser

@toscho not really.

@Rarst facepalm ... yes

Brain stuck... Was there something aside from has_action()...? : head > desk

Rarst

12:29

If you're new to #WordPress theming one of the best things you can do for yourself is to read this file line by line: http://core.trac.wordpress.org/browser/trunk/wp-content/themes/twentythirteen/functions.php

Tweeted by philip_arthur on April 25, 2013 at 10:29 AM

learning theming from core themes is... uhm... questionable :)

although 2013 does seem to be much less... messy

kaiser

13:09

User pokes me in comments to explain esc_* stuff to him . I link to wptuts+ and @StephenHarris article. Pokes me again. I tell him, that he should read it... "way over my head! explain!"... sigh

As if tutorials wouldn't be there for the purpose of explanation and education.

kaiser

13:28

~/wp-admin/options-discussion.php ... now that's a mess

Tom J Nowell

>_< all the options-*.php files need nuking and cleaning up to use actual APIs

if not a half decent one, the settings API + single entry point would still be an improvement

kaiser

Just realized - after digging in core - that core does call do_settings_section( 'discussion' );, but didn't register it. Therefore: No output.

Core: ~/wp-admin/options-discussion.php on L#246 do_settings_sections('discussion')

Doesn't work with register_setting() and add_settings_field(). One has to register it first with add_settings_section( 'discussion', __( 'Title', 'textdomain' ), 'callback', 'discussion' ); which will blow up nicely as soon as someone registers the settings section earlier... grrrr

toscho

13:44

@kaiser See this plugin for an example how to hook in there.

kaiser

@toscho inspecting. thanks :)

@toscho What's all that load_language() and unload_language()? Memory saving? Does it improve it that much?

toscho

@kaiser If you print_r $GLOBALS['l10n']['plugin_t5_spam_block'] you’ll see the few strings add up almost 3KB memory in WP. Not that important in this case, but I wanted to give a good example.

kaiser

@toscho ok. thanks

kaiser

14:09

@toscho I don't get it. Can't register with your hook order. For whatever reason: Same result.

toscho

Obviously my code works, so start with that.

kaiser

@toscho Sorry. Didn't explain it well enough: Yes, your code works in the default section. Mine too. But I wanted to add something not in the middle of the core settings, but at the bottom, below the avatars section, where custom stuff belongs. And that doesn't work because of what I described above: The settings section is called by core, but not executed.

That's a bug.

toscho

14:26

You have to use add_settings_field() to register a callback for that section.

kaiser

50 mins ago, by kaiser

Doesn't work with register_setting() and add_settings_field(). One has to register it first with add_settings_section( 'discussion', __( 'Title', 'textdomain' ), 'callback', 'discussion' ); which will blow up nicely as soon as someone registers the settings section earlier... grrrr

@toscho Problem is that this needs to get registered somewhere. Which core doesn't do.

@toscho Just go in core and var_dump( $GLOBALS['wp_settings_sections']['discussion'] ); to see a return value of NULL right after that call.

toscho

14:46

@kaiser This is not your day, right?

kaiser

No.

Why?

toscho

You know how it works.

kaiser

@toscho I meant adding it below... And I know that it doesn't work without registering the section myself.

toscho

@kaiser I could answer that in 20 seconds. But not in chat. ;)

kaiser

@toscho rep whore ;)

toscho

14:50

The code is too much for chat, and I think it might be useful for other readers too.

kaiser

excuses. everything just excuses :)

toscho

want that?

kaiser

@toscho There you go: wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/97212/…

toscho

See? That was easy.

kaiser

@toscho well, I wanted to add it below that....

Would've been easier to just confirm that this doesn't work and the $page isn't registered there - a.k.a a bug.

:P

I mean I know that there're two calls to do_settings_fields(). But do_settings_sections( $page ) is a wrapper for exactly that. Point is that it isn't registered.

So I can add whatever section I want, but it will never get rendered.

Tom J Nowell

15:10

Have you created a trac ticket yet?

kaiser

Not yet. I was poking you guys to confirm that or tell me that I've overseen something. (@toscho upvoted so you hit rep cap easier ;)

Rarst

@kaiser don't enable him

kaiser

don't need to. he runs on nuclear power.

toscho

Oh, now I got it

Wait a minute …

kaiser

if you need it, I'll wait a hundred as well

toscho

15:22

Now it works correctly.

The Settings API sucks. Did I ever mention that?

Rarst

yes, yes you did.

toscho

And global variables. They suck too. Just sayin’.

Rarst

we feel you

aside - I was thinking some about it, and in practice WP does use dependency injection, for example by passing Walker objects... but so little of it

can't do much dependency-ing when most of code is procedural

toscho

If walkers were used consistently, we wouldn’t have The Loop but new Loop_Walker;.

Rarst

I was thinking about Mustache based theme again... it's masochistic - I am confident it will be horribly painful, but still itching to try

kaiser

15:32

Walker is Dependecy Injection? That's like saying I build a paper plane. Now I'm a pilot and flying.

Rarst

@kaiser passing instantiated walker object is dependency injection

kaiser

@Rarst Btw: Concept behind Twig is pretty close to what template parts and Template tags like get_header() do.

@Rarst sure. in some way.

Rarst

in basic way, but it is. what Symfony/Silex use is DI container, which builds on top of basic DI idea

anu

@Rarst I've found it to be surprisingly ok - it's now a nasty shock to be confronted with more normal WP themes :)

Rarst

@anu it what?

anu

15:36

doh, wrong line replied to. Mustache themes

Rarst

@kaiser it's not the issue with picking templating engine, it's more of issue with bridging to WP API

@anu for private stuff I guess, not public?

anu

@Rarst Single use theme for specific site, yes

kaiser

@Rarst Wanted to say that it's not worth the hazzle as long as WP templating engine can't be shut down and silenced in a convenient way. Anyway, just saying. No discussion needed on my side.

Rarst

yeah, that I see as absolutely viable. producing robust public-use level solution - not so much

anu

@Rarst ah yes, agree - lack of knowledge and a long way away from normal WP processes

Rarst

15:42

Timber is released for public, but their solution seems... inelegant I guess. I see it totally working for them in house, but not picked up by a lot of people

they prepare data and run loop in PHP template, then offload rendering to twig template

so (as I understand) twig basically doesn't have access to anything but what was passed to it

ex github.com/jarednova/timber/blob/master/archive.php

ah it seems like they do call API from twig {{null|wp_head}}

maybe that is as good as it gets with WP... maybe not...

Rarst

17:42

I am almost afraid to think about it - if Composer dependency is GPL does root have to be GPL as well? there is not distribution, only combination by user on install

I know opposite flies - GPL plugin can download non-GPL resources (but not be distributed with them in WP repos)

Rarst

18:46

"repositories": [ { "type": "composer", "url" : "http://rarst.net" } ] so little code, so much angst at dot org for closed source infrastructure :)

Stack Exchange

19:54

Blog - Stack Exchange: Get to know the new Stack employees

Joe Humphries on April 25, 2013

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Rarst

20:41

PhpStorm file template for WordPress-related Composer package gist.github.com/Rarst/5462962

Stack Exchange

21:00

SE network updates: Users are now shown a persistent (but dismissable) banner linking to /about on the site.

posted on April 02, 2013

Users are now shown a persistent (but dismissable) banner linking to /about on the site.

SE network updates: A new footer is implemented on all sites. It links to a new grid view of all Stack Exchange sites.

posted on April 22, 2013

A new footer is implemented on all sites. It links to a new grid view of all Stack Exchange sites.

Rarst

21:47

we got demoted on grid stackexchange.com/sites?view=grid# :( used to have large tile

toscho

@Rarst Maybe because our answer rate is falling like a stone.

Rarst

sigh Sisyphus comes to mind...

toscho

I cleaned up old questions for months and our answer rate raised to almost 90%. Then I stopped that and the rate went down. But I cannot do everything alone.

Rarst

I'll get into being more active, but dealing with unanswered quickly exhausts me :( too many things that can only comment on and need to circle back later... I want that "delayed close" feature, but guess it's not happening :(

toscho

vote down abandoned questions. They will be removed automatically after a while.

But really, this is not mod work; the community should do that.

Rarst

21:58

and thus our eternal problem - not enough experts available

toscho

I disagree. There are enough experts; they just don't care enough about the site.

Rarst

maybe. it's voluntary work for free after all :)

I am going to get more active again, I have my brain more or less recovered. want to focus on clearing my plate a bit, too many things started on but not gotten to released/done

toscho

22:14

7 answers today, not a single Accept. What’s wrong?

kaiser

22:37

@toscho nothing's wrong. had to head over to my brothers new flat and help fixing, mounting, moving stuff. accepted. :)

toscho

23:04

I took the free spot

bosco

23:15

Is reminding authors to accept apparently valid answers in a comment a legitimate practice?

i.e wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/30047/…

toscho

@bosco gray area. If the askers says it was the solution, then yes.

bosco

@toscho fair enough. Would inquiring as to whether or not their question has been answered be preferable?

@toscho Or - perhaps a more appropriate question - many older questions with fairly recently active authors appear to have legitimate answers with no votes, comments, or accepted answers. I feel that the authors are unlikely to return to update the question of their own accord - is there a polite way in which I might spur them to return?

toscho

Ask if the question has been solved and how.

bosco

@toscho Thanks for the guidance ;)

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