The Loop

Bainternet

06:03

@Rarst
can laps provide a per plugin load profile?

Rarst

07:11

@Bainternet nope :( WP just loops through list of files and includes, nothing in between loads. P3 can - it logs deeper and heavier on PHP level by using register_tick_function()

Rarst

07:26

hmmmm... what if I splice fake non-plugin includes into load dynamically...

validity checks will probably smother it :\

Bainternet

07:43

cloud be :\

Rarst

08:09

basically I have 2-click xphrof-generated callgraph set up, but it's not something that can be packed off into plugin and just be always-on

Stack Exchange

08:27

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Q: Disable migration targets for blocked users

We got the list of common migration targets recently. Nice. Thank you. But some users are question banned on at least one of these sites, and we cannot see that early enough. Not so nice. Please disable options that are not available. Maybe make this information visible to moderators only. But ...

kaiser

09:10

@Rarst What is it about with Siobhan/Twitter?

Rarst

@kaiser look through the thread, she asked about identifying architecture style in photo

kaiser

@Rarst oh... me and twitter :)

kaiser

09:37

<!--?php <br ?-->/*
 WARNING: This file is part of the core Genesis framework. DO NOT edit
 this file under any circumstances. Please do all modifications
 in the form of a child theme.
 */

What the heck is this  ?

Closing accidental comments, missing line breaks and PHP tags in one move? 8P

Tom J Nowell

@kaiser an effective way of drawing attention to a warning

userabuser

Should read in that case, WARNING: Do NOT use the Genesis framework, ever.

Rarst

looks like someone accidentally hit HTML comment over php or something...

toscho

This output happens when someone tries to enter PHP code in TinyMCE without admin privileges.

kaiser

10:09

Ah, ok. Found it in a post about PHP comments in different frameworks.

Rarst

10:32

@kaiser elaborate?

kaiser

@Rarst wpmayor.com/code/wordpress-commenting

Rarst

ah, you mean it happens in post... I thought you found it directly in source

kaiser

Nope :)

Rarst

I'll need to do research on posting code for blog revamp :\ it's messy

Tom J Nowell

10:52

I've resorted to using gists for most code snippets, anything longer than 2 or 3 lines, it's worked so far

Rarst

problem is that decouples code from content and backups

github screws up embedding and suddenly all code is down

kaiser

urgh... rewrites... hate wp and non existing router...

Rarst

maybe should try layer real router before WP instead of replacing. check custom rules if nothing matches pass on to native WP one

kaiser

Honestly: It's not worth the time. WP simply fucks up shit in so many ways, that I'm already at the point where I won't use WP again for anything more complex than simple pages.

If you start replacing something like the WP_Rewrite with a router, then you can go with a full custom system as well.

lkraav

@kaiser any blog post coming up about that one? incl. what are you going to use for whatever you deem more complex.

kaiser

11:03

@lkraav about what?

lkraav

if you hover on my message it should highlight the one i pressed Reply on

does it?

kaiser

@lkraav I'm trying to dig into Symfony2 now after I did some stuff with Silex.

@lkraav yes it does, but you weren't clear enough for me to understand what you were talking about

lkraav

mkay.

lkraav

11:15

what do we think about this github.com/jbrinley/wp-forms

i think @Rarst tweeted it, so it must be worth something

any real world experiences with it here?

i'm thinking GravityForms is still The Answer, if going with the "life is short" approach

Rarst

@lkraav wasntme

kaiser

@lkraav looks pretty good.

lkraav

yeah solid effort for sure

and not e1 knows about GF or wants payware, so i'm all for a solid forms api

Tom J Nowell

@lkraav nice, but gravity forms allure is the GUI

kaiser

Can someone explain me why $wp_query->max_num_pages returns type of float? Not that there could be 11.32 pages ...

Stephen Harris

11:31

@lkraav Looks good. I'm thinking of releasing a Gravity-Forms-esque bare-bones form customiser. I.e. has a form customiser, but does nothing but triggers actions to validate / process submission. I created it for event booking forms, so will probably extract it out an release it.

lkraav

@TomJNowell yup that it is.

userabuser

12:09

@StephenHarris Interesting... Currently started working more seriously last week on my own form API for WP after using GF quite heavily, will be interested to see what you come up with...

@lkraav Probably the only serious approach to form handling in WP to date (programatically that is).

kaiser

@userabuser maybe you want to build a GUI on top of it?

userabuser

@kaiser Yeah I do, because I think I can do a better job than GF which is slow, but to be honest, to put a GUI by myself is a lot of work, so unless someone jumps on board to help I will probably stick to traditional programmatic route.

Also... looking at ways to declare forms programatically that map to GUI (more conceptual investigation)

Stephen Harris

@userabuser GUI wise - almost identical to GF, with a few tweaks, and uses much less own brand CSS. Also its more php based rather than the JS horror that I found in GF when trying to create an add-on for it. The javascript (in my opinion) is neater too, I'll be adding wp-js-hooks and some point too.

On the downside it was made to solve a problem with abstracting it out much of an after thought. As such the (php) code itself is kind of an unholy evolution... consisting primarily of two classes: Form and Field...

userabuser

@StephenHarris Sounds nice. GF is horribly slow and awkward on large forms.. After using it for any extended period of time you can clearly see where it can be improved. Also, JS is not their strong point... I've made numerous addons for clients using GF and yes there is an element of horror involved. For what its worth GF does have a fairly extensive API which is more than anyone has offered to date.

Stephen Harris

I'm on holiday next week, but when I'm back I'll pull it out onto GitHub. I was going to, but then Ninja Forms seems to be a fairly polished form builder

lkraav

12:19

yes that's true, there's at least a few competent competitors to GF

although GF is the only one ive used

kaiser

@StephenHarris so what's the advantage using yours over ninja forms? :)

userabuser

@StephenHarris NF is alright yeah but still plenty of room out there for alternatives, especially OS. Problem right now for me is that traditional, programmatic form APIs are very verbose and that shits me off, I don't want to declare a small novel to render a form so I am trying to tackle this issue from a different perspective.

Stephen Harris

@kaiser That's why I've left it to rot, I don't think there is any unless you want a library to use in a plug-in rather than form builder plug-in.

userabuser

@kaiser NF is slightly less clunky than GF on the GUI side. GF really does not handle DOM interaction very well, or at least they do not know how to really insert, remove, add shit to the DOM without bringing the UX to a halt, or jittery experience at times.

@StephenHarris ...that's the thing though, there is no real lib to use in a plugin unless you roll your own. WP seriously lacks a standardized way of declaring forms whether they be in plugins, meta boxes, option panels, front end forms, whatever. I'm aiming for one API to handle the lot whatever my requirement, not a class for meta boxes, another for option panels and another for general forms. That's insanity to me...

Stephen Harris

12:40

@userabuser Not sure mine solves that issue. Not much of a programmatic api currently (but plenty of hooks). Designed for use with the GUI rather than buliding form programatically. Even what I've taken out so far is very much tied to that concept.

@userabuser But I see what you mean. Its gets even murkier with the settings API :/

userabuser

Yup, the only way the matter will ever be handled is from an OS standpoint, all these other form handling what-nots are ultimately aimed at generating revenue so they tackle form handling from a retail consumer perspective and its just forms, not forms for front end, meta, options/settings... just forms. This is the one area WP core should really have focused on by now, but have seriously dropped the ball. Look forward to seeing what you're up to if you get round to throwing it on GH...

toscho

Great, had just ~5000 log-in attempts in two minutes.

Redirect permanent /wp-login.php localhost

kaiser

@toscho why not gone?

toscho

I want some traffic on their own machines

Rarst

12:56

I've read something about that it's more evil to keep them hanging so they have wait until timeout on each connection... don't remember implementation details

toscho

But that would block threads on my server.

Rarst

it somehow released it from occupying server but didn't release connected client... read long time ago, don't remember specifics

kaiser

@toscho then redirect them to the Oakley site you yesterday posted :D

Rarst

bot won't care to dl video...

maybe decompression bomb in gzip or something would do it... :)

kaiser

oh, the video had the size? didn't look that carefully.

@Rarst sounds like a valid idea :)

Just looked at my Analytics account for unserkaiser.com - lots of people from Automattic visiting me 8)

Stephen Harris

13:02

@kaiser what account do you have?

kaiser

Funny that they show up as Service Provider. Wonder what I did this time.

@StephenHarris what do you mean by "what account"?

Stephen Harris

@kaiser What are you using as analytics tool?

kaiser

Google Analytics

Stephen Harris

@kaiser oh, ok :)

kaiser

Wonder what the one who found me by searching "kaiser's bridge historical attractions wordpress" was up to :)

Rarst

13:06

@StephenHarris Analytics. The Analytics. :)

Stack Exchange

13:22

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Q: Using comments to vet answers

Please refer to the comments thread in this question: Custom post type single-{custom}.php not working Visit the permalinks page (which will flush it) and check again. – vancoder 17 hours ago @vancoder That did it. I just visited the permalinks page, clicked the save button (didnt ac...

discussion

kaiser

13:33

Hint when using paginate_links() in some pretty permalinks, edge case scenario (will work in other cases too): Use the following args.

// We need to add `1` as page num here to avoid adding the `page/n` suffix.
'base'      => get_pagenum_link( 1 ).'%_%',
'format'    => $wp_rewrite->using_permalinks()
	? user_trailingslashit( "{$wp_rewrite->pagination_base}/%#%" )
	: @add_query_arg( $wp_rewrite->pagination_base, '%#%' ),

Throwing get_pagenum_link( 1 ) in it will get a link to the currently displayed page with whatever query args in whatever pretty or ugly URL rewriting style, but without the page/n suffix. As stupid as this is: It's kind of future proof and so far rock solid.

userabuser

13:52

client... 40 active plugins... jokes on me

toscho

and they are all essential

userabuser

...says the client.

toscho

The snowflakes save my business!!1!

userabuser

But no, they are not. By the time I am done he will have less than 10 and a big bill. Still.. front end grinds to a halt lol.

@toscho lol

Rarst

it's not about quantity of plugins... it's about quantity of bad plugins

userabuser

13:57

@Rarst Some bad plugins here :)

Rarst

most are

I wonder what is next evolution step for plugin repo. 1. we have thousands of plugins! 2. which are so bad now we hide those that are old and likely to be most bad! 3... ?

userabuser

@Rarst Somewhere in here not so long ago was link posted to a video cast session with WP guys talking about options for repo... can't remember what it was though.

Stack Exchange

0

Q: Add Requested Debug Information to FAQ

Reference this question: Where do I get "Bug Information" to add to a question? We do often ask people to indicate the debugging steps they have taken. This is a reasonable request, as it cuts to the quick of any issue, and ensures that WPSE members don't have to walk anyone through ad nauseum s...

feature-request

userabuser

...boom, tried to declare Options-Theme-Framework plugin and Fatal Error because clients damn theme has used the same options framework and modified it slightly, now I have to resort to another framework. This is the shite that bugs me with WP... insanity.

toscho

Disable all plugins and switch to Twenty Twelve. Does it still happen? :D

userabuser

14:06

har har... hehe

Rarst

sometimes I think WP themes should have been one CSS files and nothing else... they all look like boring beaten header-column-sidebar anyway :)

"WP look"

userabuser

You should have to obtain a license to be allowed to create themes, else risk a jail term.

Tom J Nowell

meh the .org repo doesnt exactly highlight themes that dont fit into the usual sidebar header massive options page bucket

custom community is the top of the featured section at the moment, and behold, 1 marketing gimmick screenshot and a preview that opens half offscreen, with a frontpage thats unconfigured with issues

userabuser

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kaiser

14:23

@userabuser it's a download link... wat?

userabuser

like dropbox

kaiser

@userabuser a.k.a. downloads their desktop app. nothing like a register form there.

> In a minute, you’ll be able to collaborate securely and privately.

> Thank you for choosing Tresorit!

> Your download will start in 0 seconds.

No register here‌.

userabuser

no but apparently you need to download this version for the 50gb

kaiser

No password recover... 8/

toscho

download our 50 GB app for free!

kaiser

14:27

...

userabuser

i store all of my sensitive data in the cloud and use one password for all my email accounts too.. :)

toscho

better brave than worry

userabuser

Exactly, I thought, what could possibly go wrong? And then I came to the conclusion, nothing can.

kaiser

I already hate how they named the symlink

Franz's Tresor ... click git won't work easily. Done.

userabuser

:)

kaiser

14:33

Invite other user to Tresor. Via E-Mail... default role: Manager... wtf

yes, indeed: secure like hell :=)

userabuser

hahaha

Should be default role: Power of Attorney

Tom J Nowell

>_< new post formats UI is a mess

Alex Kings plugin that they took was better than this

someones decided to pretty it up, removed the tabs for looks, then barfed at the UX afterwards

Rarst

whi needs something like Dropbox when there is already Dropbox? such a lame ripoff wave...

@TomJNowell when was last time something in WP interface made you think "wow, this is really good" ?

Tom J Nowell

@Rarst I wasn't expecting good, I was expecting the same or similar, instead they've utterly ballsed it up

userabuser

@Rarst there are alternatives... like Box, Google Drive and many others, this is just another. More storage is one benefit.

Rarst

14:43

@TomJNowell ...aaaand already push to scrap it from 3.6 make.wordpress.org/core/2013/04/23/…

@userabuser I have 21GB free Dropbox storage and new phone added me 50GB for next two years... :) it's just funny slash lame how Dropbox hit the gold and suddenly everyone is desperately trying to cash in on their success without really coming up with anything meaningfully superior

userabuser

21gb free on DB? I thought their limit for free was lower than that..

Rarst

did 3.6 basically implode? editorial improvements scrapped, post format on the verge on it... leaves almost nothing (storage foolproofing...)

Tom J Nowell

Well I've posted an image of Alex Kings original UI as an example of an improvement

Rarst

@userabuser 16GB from referrals (been half that, then they retroactively doubled to 500MB per), 3GB camera uploads, few more gigs from tutorial and two dropquests

userabuser

14:58

nice power user...

speaking of Tresor, anyone been to the nightclub Tresor in Berlin?

Rarst

thinking about meta.wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/2465/… ... do you think it's viable to do something like supportdetails.com for WP? put your URL, have site scrape public info from it and format report

userabuser

yeah its viable but to what extent are you thinking?

Rarst

would be best in WP of course but that's either getting it into core or plugin... mess

@userabuser let's think what can we scrape: WP version (almost certainly), PHP version (possibly from headers), theme info (likely, unless minified), typical plugins (caching markers, etc), some stuff like replaced jQuery... what else?

userabuser

hmmmm

Stephen Harris

@Rarst (Some) Plugins & versions (looking at stylesheets/js)

userabuser

15:05

drawing mental blank here for more WP related stuff

Stephen Harris

On a related note (no help here though), I use this in my plug-in to check for if wp_footer() is called in theme: (included only in WP_Debug): github.com/stephenharris/Event-Organiser/blob/master/includes/…

EAMann

Heard there was something cool being discussed ...

Rarst

see @toscho , this is how you whore for attention on twitter :)

toscho

what?

Rarst

@EAMann see above :)

@toscho you said twittter is not working for getting people to look :)

EAMann

15:12

That's what brought me here ;)

toscho

Okay, I admit: You’re a better whore than I am.

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userabuser

love you long time

Rarst

@toscho don't worry, few more thousands tweets and you will learn too

toscho

I can’t win all games.

Rarst

Andrea Rennick is at 98K tweets, I cannot not click anything she tweets. seen more quilts than I ever cared to... :)

kaiser

15:35

@userabuser as far as I remember in 1997

@TomJNowell Your screenshot on Make is broken

Tom J Nowell

15:57

@kaiser it used to work, I wonder what happened

kaiser

@TomJNowell just hotlink it to imgur for a fetch and post it from there again. probably hotlinking denied via some delayed system.

Stephen Harris

16:24

@userabuser @Rarst should be possible to detect javascript errors too, no?

Rarst

@StephenHarris not without executing JS which is probably out of scope for such tool

Stephen Harris

@Rarst Or something like jsHint?

Stack Exchange

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Q: Mark unwanted tags (such as plugin-recommendation)

In a comment to a plugin-recommendation tagged question @toscho advised a user of reading the tag's description when/before using it. This is, of course, a good advise. However, let's be honest, who reads a description of something self-explanatory? If I'd want to ask for plugin-recommendation a...

discussion feature-request tags

Rarst

@StephenHarris jshint is written in javascript... I wouldn't bother with doing things that opening browser console does much better

userabuser

16:46

@StephenHarris you could do this, if its going to be a web service then you can run such libs for usability testing and what not. You have the likes of Behat/Mink and also PhantomJS/CasperJS

On that note you could even determine whether a theme is responsive and to what extent too

Stack Exchange

17:10

WordPress News: WordPress 10th Anniversary Tees

posted on April 23, 2013 by Jen Mylo

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Rarst

19:49

Choosing a WordPress Theme and Why You’re Doing It Wrong hilarious read :)

toscho

20:17

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