The Loop

toscho

00:09

> Steward: review 5 more

Pleeeaaase!

toscho

04:38

Google is skipping apocalypse this year.. December not available.

toscho

09:03

Finally!

Rarst

09:23

monster :)

toscho

still 10 gold badges to get …

toscho

09:57

Matt said (article in German), WordPress is working together with Jacob Applebaum from the Tor Project on a new tool for anonymous blogging.

toscho

10:32

Because a close vote is not enough people vote down too. Without any comment. :/

Rarst

@toscho considered fine... or at least acceptable. a lot of people are happy to rage at someone who comments what is wrong with question and is now target

toscho

We have that wonderful be nice rule. How can a rather new member improve his question without any useful hints?

Oh, I am talking about this question.

Rarst

I am not saying it's good, but it's unfair to blame people for not commenting either. it's their choice, not their obligation

I am getting fed up with woocommerce questions :\

toscho

@Rarst It’s a bad choice. Just saying.

Stephen Harris

@toscho Can people see why their questions are being close voted?

toscho

10:40

@StephenHarris No, only if they have the rep to set close votes.

In other words: It will hit him without a warning.

Stephen Harris

@toscho mmm... should probably comment while close voting too then. I suppose they can't see how many close votes its got either

toscho

@StephenHarris view close votes requires 250 points.

kaiser

12:07

@Rarst @toscho @StephenHarris We should all just ping @adii with every single woocommerce question on Twitter. Maybe he'll get the point. Or just stop using Twitter.

►

Rarst

I pinged Coen some times before I got the memo they don't care, didn't do any good

kaiser

You talking about Woo, right?

Rarst

yeah

toscho

12:24

It is okay not to support a plugin or theme you gave away for free.

Stephen Harris

@kaiser Their set up is seriously screwy. You even need a valid license key to report a bug (complete with fix)

Rarst

@toscho it is. however this specific case is worse than usual because (1) "we don't want to even see you unless you are paying" attitude from developer (2) ecommerce solution is not something people do for fun, it's business and it borderline too localized from the start

Tom J Nowell

12:39

@StephenHarris I remember asking this on the main SO meta, I was laughed out

Stephen Harris

@TomJNowell Seems reasonable enough to be able to see the votes, or at least some indication of why the question is not suitable (as I say - probably down to the closers commenting). I reckon most close-voted questions are asked by those <250 points, and so can't see it.

and @kaiser :P

Tom J Nowell

at the time I wasnt aware i could see by clicking on the close link, so it's not obvious to those unaware even with access

kaiser

@StephenHarris what? :)

Tom J Nowell

nevermind those below 250 who're most likely to need the feedback

Stephen Harris

@kaiser Last line of what I said. Those with <250pts and ...

kaiser

12:45

@TomJNowell I think it's this the idea of having an "easy to understand interface" that later will "allow to discover more depth and details for pros"

@StephenHarris again: "what?" :)

Kirsty Harris

hey all

Rarst

hiya

Stephen Harris

@KirstyHarris hey

Kirsty Harris

how is everyone today

can someone kindly confirm if this wp enqueue script would work please.

oh well ive changed it

kaiser

@KirstyHarris We got some rules in here.

1st: We don't answer questions from users with default avatars.

Kirsty Harris

12:57

im just waiting for it to update

as i came over here from stackoverflow

Rarst

@kaiser BS :)

Kirsty Harris

its just not coming up :S

kaiser

2nd: We don't reply to hairy guys

Kirsty Harris

i actually changed it yesterday

Rarst

@KirstyHarris we are a little touchy here about questions because some folks abuse it :\

Kirsty Harris

12:58

well im not a hairy guy... hence the name kirsty lol

Rarst

@kaiser more BS!

Kirsty Harris

oh :(

kaiser

@KirstyHarris default avatar on SO too

Kirsty Harris

well if ive changed it and it aint appeared surely that cant be held against me?

Rarst

@KirstyHarris so nothing happens at all? your code seemed ok... you sure your code runs? (plugin activated or whtever)

Kirsty Harris

12:58

ive changed it on gravatar

anu

I wonder how many guys use female names / avatars to get better responses

kaiser

I remember that I once knew a girl named anu

Stephen Harris

@KirstyHarris hairy... girl then? :P. Don't worry about the avatar. Your code seemed fine to me...

Kirsty Harris

well seeming that most of the ppl in these rooms are guys i assume that u assume im a man and that im wasting mine and your time naming myself a girl to dupe you?

kaiser

what does that tell me

Kirsty Harris

12:59

well somethings up somewhere then ah!.... will have to recheck my functions lol

anu

@KirstyHarris woah, just got me wondering, that's all. not accusing you of anything

Stephen Harris

@anu I know, I only use this picture of an attractive guy to get a better response :)

Kirsty Harris

lol im not saying u are lol

nice last name @stephenharris :P

all harris are gorgeous ha

kaiser

@KirstyHarris Your answer just fits too well to @StephenHarris msg

Kirsty Harris

eh lol...

anu

13:00

@StephenHarris so that's how you got all the rep... :P

Kirsty Harris

well if gravatar wasnt being so gay as to update my pic then it would probs be not default lol

Stephen Harris

@anu Brings whole new dimension to 'rep whore' :)

kaiser

The strange thing with default gravatars: They all look like swastikas

Kirsty Harris

yh.....

i noticed that 0_o

toscho

I made my first 1000 points on SO as Megan Fox. In four days.

Kirsty Harris

13:02

well ive now added in wp_enqueue_script ('jquery')... im going to assume i need that

well ii aint megan fox lol

well if its any consolation this is the pic that SUPPOSED To be showing 2.gravatar.com/avatar/c201914c9788dcd181b8c432ab3fcb9e?size=420

toscho

@KirstyHarris Your picture doesn’t really matter.

kaiser

@toscho Be nice

Kirsty Harris

well it proves im a women and not a swaztika for starters!

toscho

@kaiser hm? to you? why should I?

Kirsty Harris

dont worry im used to being ripped the shit outta here a late... so go on do your worse lol

kaiser

13:06

dd.je is still available. 179€ ...8)

@KirstyHarris I excuse for @toscho. He's my little brother and tends to get nervous when girls are in the room.

Kirsty Harris

awww bless him

toscho

@KirstyHarris You can use the default avatar and get the same answers.

kaiser

which are... ?

toscho

If @kaiser were my brother I had shot myself 39 years ago.

5

Kirsty Harris

whats the default av!

as far as im aware ive changed it and it takes 24 hours... although it seems to feel like longer

kaiser

13:10

Who faved this...

Kirsty Harris

its refering me to gravatar and ive already got one on there of myself...

so i dont know how to change it!

gosh its ludicris this rule :S

Rarst

@KirstyHarris ignore @kaiser there is no rule :)

Kirsty Harris

fml

kaiser

Ok. We'll oversee this for now. Rule #2: You're only allowed to ask questions when you A) provide any needed detail and B) type it with only your left hand (this avoids spamming chat with questions).

toscho

@Rarst This is the rule.

anu

13:13

makes a mental note to never use git submodules again

kaiser

@anu why?

Kirsty Harris

wtf!

Rarst

@kaiser because they work on a principle of opposite to common sense

anu

@kaiser what @rarst said

toscho

They aren’t even included in a regular export.

kaiser

13:14

@anu git reset --hard HEAD^

just kiddin

Rarst

mercurial will clone subrepos because project won't work otherwise, git won't unless you explicitly ask for them... and so on

kaiser

Git sucks anyway - as every version control system. The right one just isn't done yet. And with right one I mean usable

Kirsty Harris

well i thought i had provided enough detail! it was just a question... so much rigmarole for just a simple answer....

Rarst

mercurial will record subrepo revision and commit, git will refuse unless you are a head...

Kirsty Harris

i thought the site was useful until i dropped into trying to chat about it

Stephen Harris

13:15

@kaiser You type pretty fast with just one hand - practiced? :P

Rarst

@kaiser mercurial is better relatively. I am considering trying out Fossil some time

Kirsty Harris

then i got branded a useless bimbo for asking quite valid beginner questions

and feck typing with one hand... i would be here all day

kaiser

@StephenHarris Yeah. Example taken from BAinternet. The fastest one-hand-typed-words start with You

Stephen Harris

@kaiser :)

Rarst

@KirstyHarris ignore what kaiser says, he is rambling

kaiser

13:16

He told me that he never needs more than one hand on the keyboard :)

@KirstyHarris go & ask. If it doesn't fit or extends too much, then we'll anyway guide you to the main site :)

Kirsty Harris

well thats the thing kaiser... i was guided from the main site to here as it was WP related... :S

kaiser

@KirstyHarris main site === WPSE

Kirsty Harris

yh i did post the question on there, but no one seemed to be able to help

Rarst

@KirstyHarris by "main" here we mean wordpress.stackexchange.com not SO

Kirsty Harris

yep i posted the q on there

hence a visit to chat

kaiser

13:19

link?

Rarst

@KirstyHarris I don't see it in your profile

Kirsty Harris

it maybe something REALLY trivial i am missing

well its been deleted then

toscho

@KirstyHarris This user has not asked any questions

Kirsty Harris

as i had loads of random people trying to help

anu

lol

Kirsty Harris

13:20

well its gone then as i only posted it yesterday and 2 guys called stephen and chad i think commented

Rarst

@KirstyHarris nope, I am a mod and can see deleted... if you had asked on Stack Overflow, we are telling you to ask here wordpress.stackexchange.com

Kirsty Harris

narrows it down

toscho

@KirstyHarris No deleted questions on that account.

Kirsty Harris

FML... god KNOWS where i posted it then...

0_o

tbf all it is that i want to use a superfish menu in WP.... and im calling the js but for some reason it aint working :S.... but u said my code was right so something else is amiss

kaiser

what code?

Kirsty Harris

13:22

the code above about the enqueue script to call the js file into my theme.

rarst said it looked ok... so should have worked...

so maybe im not calling the jquery first? hmmf

as its not loading the js

kaiser

plugins_url( 'without/leading/slash.js', __FILE__ );

Stephen Harris

@KirstyHarris From memory you listed jQuery as a dependency so you just need to enqueue your script and WP will handle the rest.

kaiser

Also: Check your FireBug or DevTools if the script loaded or if it got not loaded.

Kirsty Harris

well i know it wasnt loading i checked it in the resources

so if i put wp_enqueue_script ('jquery'); before that should load JQuery before the script?

Rarst

@KirstyHarris if you listed it as dependency then no need to

Kirsty Harris

13:25

ah right ok

but its still not loading then i assume ive got the path wrong or something

a mean i put the js in a folder in my root folder in js/superfish.js

kaiser

@KirstyHarris As I said: Check your dev tools.

Rarst

check that your code runs, where did you put it?

Kirsty Harris

kaiser apologies im not entirely savvy with dev tools :S... i just check in the elements if its running.

i placed it in the functions.php file

Rarst

@KirstyHarris dumb question, but worth checking... of theme you are using right now? :) functions.php is named same in every theme, I confuse them all the time

Kirsty Harris

u are speaking to a WP newbie but someone who can pick up things

hmm good question.... i will double check that.. im sure as hell i put it in the right one.

kaiser

13:28

@KirstyHarris Read into this and then learn about Google Chrome Dev Tools or FF Firebug.

Kirsty Harris

thanks kaiser

kaiser

n/p

Kirsty Harris

thats gonna take some getting used t lol!

www.milknhny.co.uk

thats my site.

not bad for a newbie... im proud of it

needs updating thou... little project :)

kaiser

@KirstyHarris The "trouble installing" slider has a yellow road block on it. Where did you get that from?

Kirsty Harris

erm it was off google

came up on some random stock site

kaiser

13:33

I will have to compare that one later, but afaik that is mine from 2003 or around that...

Kirsty Harris

well im happy to remove it kaiser if its yours, i just know i found it on a stock site.. i will see if i can find the link

a mean my site is very much in dev still, so im still messing with it

kaiser

I'm not getting at you. Will look it up later. If it's mine, then I'd happy to get the link to nuke it.

Kirsty Harris

no worries hun, no not at all i understand id get pissed if someone ripped my image

kaiser

@KirstyHarris yep. is mine. have you got a mail address, so I can send the original to you?

Kirsty Harris

oh no its cool sweet i will remove it :) when i get home lovely x

kaiser

13:43

and please tell me where you got it from

Kirsty Harris

thats the thing i aint a clue on this comp... it was from home

kaiser

ok

Kirsty Harris

cant even remember what i searched 0_o..... i did it ages ago

i will happily remove it thou, i dont have an issue with it

kaiser

k

But I'm more concerned about someone giving away my stuff for free.

Btw: Mailed you the original

Kirsty Harris

ok hun, no i can understand that... i will see if i can find the link i got it from and mail it you. Happy to do that

honest i have no idea off the top of my head it was like 3 months ago

ok see now im stumped...

rusticblonde.hostizzo.com

ive done like a test theme

nothing on it to check the js loading... and its not :S

kaiser

13:51

jQuery & Nivoslider.js are working - check your console.

Kirsty Harris

maybe its my theme

....

as i havent got the nivoslider in this one

i removed it

see i called those two in the header... and not in the functions file via wp_enqueue_script

hmmm now me removing that bit has caused it to error... fml

kaiser

@KirstyHarris typo

Kirsty Harris

yh i removed the file like a moob

i think somethings wrong somewhere... as for some BIZARRE reason i aint even for the Nivoslider or the admin-bar js in this theme... so it must be loading another one :S

no time to mess with it now... fml... i will get this somehow!

<?php
function my_scripts_method() {wp_enqueue_script(
'superfish',
plugins_url('/js/superfish.js', __FILE__),
array('jquery')
);
}

add_action('wp_enqueue_scripts', 'my_scripts_method');
?>

that deffo aint working in my functions for some reason... therefore not loading the js

and thats where it is in my root folder / js/superfish..... so now im stumped... back to drawing board

Rarst

@KirstyHarris if you are in theme, why are you using plugins _url ?

Kirsty Harris

well thats what it says in the codex

in the to load a script that relys on something else

possibly the get_template_dir one?

ie ...

Rarst

14:03

codex is a mess. plugins_url() designed for plugins, for theme use stuff like get_template_directory_uri()

Kirsty Harris

thanks,... thats PROBABLY why it aint working

well changed that and STILL not working ... .fml!

im getting miffed off with this codex

rarst... this is my test... rusticblonde.hostizzo.com

and i put in that enqueue using the get template directory... and it aint loaded lol!... and im stumped as the file is in js/superfish.js

Rarst

do you have proper wp_head() call in theme?

Kirsty Harris

hmmmmmmm.............

in the header?

that MAYBE why ha!

ive never used the functions file before like this.. .ive just usually hard coded in the header

<?php
add_action('wp_head', 'your_function');
?>

so if i change that your function to superfish... will that call it?

Rarst

no, you need actual wp_head() call in your theme template

Kirsty Harris

oh right ok

do ii just write wp_head() in the header?

into the html tags?

argh!... see i put this <?php wp_head(); ?>

in the header.... :S

boosh ha!

it worked lol!

:) thankyou rarst xxxx

Rarst

14:12

install and use wordpress.org/extend/plugins/theme-check it should catch things like this

Kirsty Harris

ah.. hmmm ... noted :)

next job... call the stylesheet HAHAHA!

thankyou hun, its really nice to know that some people are helpful :)

i wont forget this one in a hurry

its so frustrating as i dont wanna badger people if that makes sense

frig that wp_head calls EVERYTHING in the directory thou ha!

rarst are you still there?

just one more quick question

Tom J Nowell

15:00

@KirstyHarris he isn't the only one able to answer questions, state your question and perhaps someone else can answer

Kirsty Harris

hi Tom :)

sorry it were just he was obviously assisting before

basically i have a menu that i wish to change the style of. Its featuring a superfish.js and superfish.css which i have called

but when i change my menu call to this

<?php wp_nav_menu( array( 'theme_location' => 'primary', 'menu_class' => 'sf-menu' ) ); ?>

it disappears :S

Tom J Nowell

15:23

hmmm I think that question is going to need a lot more detail such as links, and the relevant superfish code, also you should say what you changed it from, what it was beforehand so we're not guessing

there's a chance it may be offtopic and better on Stack overflow too as its likely a css/js issue

depending on exactly what it was you changed

kaiser

17:41

@unserkaiser But then the AUTH_KEY would be separated from the SECURE_AUTH_KEY, and those are kinda related. I just like the current order.

Tweeted by Otto42 on November 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM in reply to unserkaiser

Can't get rid of the feeling that he's standing on a mine trap. Move and everything explodes.

Stack Exchange

17:54

Blog - Stack Exchange: SE Podcast #37 – Back At It, Again

Alex Miller on November 20, 2012

Welcome back! We’re actually back to a fairly normal podcast this week and want to bring you back up to speed on Stack Exchange after our adventures the last few weeks. What’s on the agenda? What’s new this week?

Starting with the review queue and its new segment: the reopen queue! It’s exactly what it sounds like (the reverse of the close queue). David and Jay walk Joel through the review queue and its features.

One of the problems with the review queue is people clicking “Looks good” all the way through just so they can get a badge. Who would do such a thing? [Spoiler alert: We will talk about the review queue for a really long time.] …

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