The Loop

Christine Cooper

08:21

github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/18510

Can we reach two years?

I think this user summed it up very well:

> Wow, this seems like a severe bug to me to stay uncorrected for a year and a half.

Tom J Nowell

09:28

@ChristineCooper I don't believe it's a block editor bug, but a REST API bug

because nobody demonstrated this, the hope for solving it would have been the trac ticket

but nobody paid the trac ticket attention and focused on the github issue so it got closed in favor of the github issue

and now everybody thinks it's a block editor bug when it isn't

so if it did get attention, it would be highly unlikely to be solved, and the issue would remain the same

Christine Cooper

09:39

@TomJNowell Ahh... should I submit a bug report to trac?

Tom J Nowell

ideally the original one would be reopened

right now the issue has been filibustered by angry people who added no additional technical details

it's very possible that new people who could have fixed it were simply scared off

the fundamental problem is the ticket was never specified

there's little technical detail, and it's spread out across lots of replies dripfed

so it's not easy to know what the problem is or the cause

Christine Cooper

Is it possible to have the old trac ticket reopened? Maybe it will be just messy and people won't pay attention to it.

Tom J Nowell

and there's definitely more to it then the description, I've been assigning images to posts as featured images that I did not upload recently

@ChristineCooper ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Christine Cooper

Yes, but did you assign images (that wasn't uploaded by you) to posts as an "author" user?

This does not affect admins.

The bug is most relevant to multi-author platforms. In fact, all of them.

Tom J Nowell

if you can demonstrate that using only REST API requests

Christine Cooper

09:47

I feel like the trac ticket is clearly demonstrating the issue:

core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/47291

Tom J Nowell

the trac issue focuses on the block editor

so the fix is easy, punt to github

and mark as not our problem

the block editor itself isn't where the bug lies

the block editor just uses the REST API and assumes it works

and even if it was accepted as a block editor bug

it still needs REST API changes to fix which our not in the gutenberg scope

nobody has reported the actual bug

they're just reporting a side effect of the bug as a bug in its own right

and nobody has detailed the actual source of the problem

Christine Cooper

I can create a new trac ticket and have it focused specifically on the REST API, in hopes of the right eyes catching it, but I am not sure I have the time or experience for that matter to provide further examples of how it is failing beyond what has already been posted across all tickets.

Where/when are these weekly agenda meetings?

I'm ready to create chaos there. haha

Tom J Nowell

there's multiple, usually outlined in thee channel headers on WP Make slack and posted on the make blogs with agendas then notes

if you can demonstrate a single solid example of failure that's already enough

I can see WP CLI + curl commands would give a reliable yes it's fixed vs no it's not

Louis Waweru

12:13

I lack the reputation to vote, but have seen the requested improvements made to this question wordpress.stackexchange.com/posts/227593, generalizing it it into an on-topic question. It sounds like one or more of the original moderators involved with the post should take a step back from involvement in this.

Clearly reason should prevail over a vote count. Please respect your privileges and efforts of users to comply to the rules.

Tom J Nowell

12:41

@LouisWaweru the link in your message is broken

but the other issue is that the OP wanted to remove the visual composer menu item in the admin area

asking how to remove any arbitrary item however is not the same question

related yes, but not the same

and once the edit is approved, all the answers underneath it become incorrect

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Q: Remove Visual Composer Tab from Dashboard Menu

I have installed Visual Composer for a client and am now trying to remove the tab from the Dashboard menu. How can I do this? function remove_menus(){ remove_menu_page( ‘js_composer.php’ ); } add_action( ‘admin_menu’, ‘remove_menus’ ); The code used above isn't working for me. I...

dashboard

and imo the edit doesn't bring it on topic

but note that I did not close the question, a different moderator did 3 years ago

generally moderators only handle the exceptions, spam, and brazenly off topic things

most questions that get closed don't get moderator involvement, they're closed via voting from high reputation users

it also doesn't lend credibility to yourself when your stackoverflow profile text is "Moderators are useless. They serv no function."

we ban spambots, suspend abusive users, and a lot of other things that never see the light of day

and if moderators did all the closing themselves, who would replace us when we eventually retire? :)

Random Person

Hey @TomJNowell! I have noticed a site which is copying content from WordPress Development SE.

I do not have an account in this website. So I thought to inform one of the mods about this issue such that they can take further action.

Shall I let you know the website?

Tom J Nowell

that's actually allowed if they follow the license

stackoverflow.com/help/licensing

Random Person

The licence is not followed :(

Tom J Nowell

oh that sucks :(

I'm not 100% sure of the process right now for that, but can you post on the meta stack with the link? Most of the time it's harmless like a quote of a code block mentioned in an article but it sounds like it's a carte blanch copy

Random Person

12:58

The website's content is copyrighted :(

Please go through this:

437

Q: A site (or scraper) is copying content from Stack Exchange. What should I do?

Since day one of Stack Overflow, all content posted on Stack Exchange sites by their users (i.e. you wonderful people) has been provided to the whole universe under the CC BY-SA license. For my fellow non-lawyers, that license basically means: Anyone can use any Stack Exchange posts at any time...

support faq attribution copycat-sites screen-scraping

@TomJNowell I don't have a WordPress development account.. so I can't post in the site's meta.

So shall I let you know the website? @TomJNowell

or @fuxia

hmm.. looks like people here are busy. I will share the site link here. I hope so the mods will report to SE. If the mods/someone else reports it, please let me know.

forumming.com

@ChristineCooper

@Howdy_McGee

Louis Waweru

13:24

@TomJNowell I thought that was my universal profile actually. I think honesty should lend to credibility, at the time I thought the moderation system here was seriously flawed, lacking any meaningful user recourse. Obviously that was a statement made in anger and mods do serve many important functions, but I was suggesting here that the closer should not participate in the pending edit.

And that if the valued members of this small community upheld the close vote with their voting rights, that a mod should take executive action to reopen the question that obviously has helped others and has been remedied…

BTW, the mobile and app chat rooms don't give the "message too long" error when hitting send.

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/100053/… 😒

Howdy_McGee

13:41

@RandomPerson It looks like in the Meta question you've linked they give instructions on how to report this kind of issue. Anybody can report this kind of issue and it will be looked at in time. It's unclear if you've already gone through the process but I've reported it as well.

Not much else we can do on the subject, unfortunately. Thanks for reporting it though!

Random Person

@Howdy_McGee I read the instructions but I forgot the fact that anybody can report. I thought it would be more appropriate if a site user reports it instead of me. Anyway, thanks for reminding that anyone can report such instances.

@Howdy_McGee You are welcome :)

@Howdy_McGee I have gone through the process. I reported the site for copying content from one of the communities in which I participate (i.e. Ask Ubuntu).

Thanks for reporting it.

Bye!

Tom J Nowell

14:42

@LouisWaweru the moderator in question retired from moderation about a year ago, we do get a lot of frustrated newcomers though who want to ask a question about a WordPress plugin but run afoul of the scope as 3rd party product dev support is off topic here

but as of yet nobody has actually addressed the reasons that those questions were made off topic in the first place

and people usually just get very angry in the comments, despite there being a process to post on the meta stack, that's how the scope gets changed and how it was set to begin with

so a small number of moderators end up getting blamed and labelled toxic

the truth is we're accountable to stack exchange higher ups, with additional rules applied to us, and we weren't just put in place, we had to win elections with votes, anybody with more than 300 reputation could participate

I have noticed in the last 6 months people have been trying to justify 3rd party dev support questions by conflating that plugin with WordPress, everybody uses Divi, that's just how WordPress is these days, how could anybody think otherwise

which misses the point

and that we're not omniscient doesn't help either, a lot of questions I would consider off-topic I leave open so that the community can close vote it instead of it singlehandedly being closed by myself

the community as a whole determines the scope after all

it doesn't help that sometimes people send users here as an alternative to support routes if they can't or won't pay

Louis Waweru

15:13

@TomJNowell Tom, thank you. That really is all very sensible and was a kind way of pointing out why I misunderstood the current scope of this substack.

My apologies if I offended you, it can get frustrating dealing with a system that operates so quickly and without compassion sometimes that I forget to remember I am just one of many perspectives.

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on this in the way that you did. I feel like I better understand the larger picture for all community sites, and am glad you accepted a nomination to be an powerful interface between your team’s goals and responsibilities and people like me who need reminders on civility; compassion as a vehicle works on me. I’ll remove my moderator comment. You really showed me we’re not intended to have adversarial relationships.

I can use this in life, in many more areas than online communities...

Tom J Nowell

something that might help is that people mistake the site for a discussion forum, and if you think of the site that way, someone closing your question can look like a censorship slap-down

whereas the intention is more like a wikipedia of questions

there is some flex about it, e.g. shopping/recommendations questions are off topic, but you'll see old questions with lots of upvotes and answers that are protected/semi-locked

or you get answers that half answer a question to try and expand on the accepted answer in some way

but no offence was taken :)

3rd party plugins are a sore topic, as we don't have an effective solution that makes everybody happy

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