The Loop

Luca

00:22

@Jared Thanx a million :)))

Wyck

06:34

Sisir

09:48

@MichaelEcklund press ctrl+a then ctrl+k

Rarst

11:07

@anu not much useful... I don't think WP code base ever made it to HipHop-usable state :)

anu

@rarst, sure, not to compile, but i thought being able to extract the static code analysis part might be interesting

Rarst

@anu I not only need to run, but create my own custom logic... going off tokenizer approach would probably be tons easier for that

anu

@rarst - ok :)

Rarst

I am still slowly dragging my mind through PHP_Reflect :) when I understand all of that adding some logic to it is trivial (it's made with extensibility in mind)

anu

I've been so ill lately that my brain isn't capable of doing much apart from the most trivial. but even so, from what you've been saying, PHP_reflect looks a bit scary

Rarst

11:15

it is scary... less so than writing token analysis from scratch :) it's all relative

anu

@rarst, i remember having to write a compiler at uni - but that was more than 20 years ago now...all that knowledge has been destroyed by beer

Pollux Khafra

13:39

Anyone ever used any of the Device theme switcher plugins? I've tried the two best and they return an internal server error on a tablet. What could be causing that?

Rarst

@PolluxKhafra theme switchers are complicated and a mess, I ended up writing my own

Pollux Khafra

I can has?

Rarst

@PolluxKhafra wordpress.org/extend/plugins/toolbar-theme-switcher might or might not fit depends on what you need. mine is more for development work

Pollux Khafra

@Rarst Oh I was looking for something that allows me to choose a theme for tablets vs. handheld vs. desktop

Rarst

ah, it's not commonly called theme switcher (usually mobile theme). hadn't looked into that much, even more complex stuff... I lean towards Bootstrap/responsive, more foolproof

Pollux Khafra

13:45

This wordpress.org/extend/plugins/device-theme-switcher looked so easy..Just let's you choose a theme for each in the admin which would be AWESOME! But is failing.

toscho

@PolluxKhafra Don’t. UA-Sniffing doesn’t work. Let the browser decide.

Pollux Khafra

@toscho Oh thats cool. So basically I would set that all up in head and use to tell which theme to pull the index page from?

toscho

@PolluxKhafra You don’t switch the theme, just the features.

Pollux Khafra

hmm that seems like a ton of scripting in my case. This would be so easy if I could just have a theme for each since I'm looking to completely change everything around for each device.

toscho

@PolluxKhafra each?

There are ~500 Android screen sizes, Notebooks, Laptops …

Pollux Khafra

13:59

@toscho 3..A theme for tablets, a theme for handhelds, theme for desktop.

toscho

@PolluxKhafra why? what’s the difference?

Luca

Hello there :)

toscho

hi @Luca

Luca

Please, i want to use statistics on my blog: sweettutos.wordpress.com

Since no plugins can be included, what is the possible alternative

toscho

@Luca You cannot use your own plugins on WordPress.com

Rarst

14:03

@Luca there are native stats en.support.wordpress.com/stats but that's it

toscho

take a self-hosted WP or use their stats

Luca

hmmmmm

Pollux Khafra

@toscho Between the way I need to format pages to optmize them for each device....a ton. I take video, music, and article submissions and have a lot of features so I have to make use of every piece of screen space while making them easy to use for smaller devices

Luca

Good informations, thaks guys :)

toscho

@PolluxKhafra What content would you send to my old Laptop which has the same resolution like an iPad 2?

Pollux Khafra

14:04

@toscho Ur gonna make me cry

amit

@lu

@Luca I guess using cloudflare you can do that, not sure - blog.cloudflare.com/61118769

toscho

What if all sites were lightweight?

Pollux Khafra

@toscho Look at youtube. They have a different theme for each. Their video pages are completely different for a tablet than a desktop. I want to achieve that.

Rarst

@PolluxKhafra achieve google's development budget first

toscho

@PolluxKhafra Do it with JavaScript.

Pollux Khafra

14:07

You guys are some downers lol. I love you though

Rarst

we are quite cheery on weekend, see us on monday for real down spiral

Pollux Khafra

Seems like I could use that method to say...If browser width is between like 720 and whatever...get index from ThemeB. If less than 320 get index from Theme C and if greater than whatver than get from theme A.

toscho

@PolluxKhafra almost. You start with a minimal content setup that works everywhere. Make it perfect. Then use JavaScript to load additional features per AJAX.

Pollux Khafra

@toscho Think about this. On one page I have video post. Then related videos from that person. I need to completely change the structure of the loop and how and where it's displayed and loading it with ajax is bad seo. Unless Im misunderstanding what you're saying I don't think it's the best solution.

toscho

List the Video-URLs in the basic version as links (SEO!). If there is enough room, replace these links with a player. Simple.

Pollux Khafra

14:23

Im callin google

Pollux Khafra

14:39

wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-mobile-pack So you don't think this is a good solution. It actually is working and let me use a different theme on my tablet as supposed to my desktop.

toscho

@PolluxKhafra It is using $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']. It will fail.

There are so many proxies changing this string you just cannot rely on it.

Pollux Khafra

15:01

@toscho I hate that you're right but you are and I respect that lol. Thx for setting me straight.

toscho

15:45

Sure, we just landed a robot on Mars, but vertically centering things in CSS is still a real struggle for the human kind.

Tweeted by ivansafrin on August 8, 2012 at 3:45 PM

userabuser

16:15

@toscho Some things are easier said than done, vertically centering in CSS is one of those, robot on Mars... clearly not.

amit

wpse is read only now.. :|

Rarst

that's a new one...

toscho

at least the chat works

which means … the chat will not be moved to new servers.

amit

@toscho what do you think, some new features or just regular maintenance

toscho

@amit new servers if I got this right

toscho

17:44

back!

toscho

18:19

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A: Site currently in read-only mode

We were moving the StackOverflow database and our Sites database (which aggregates network wide information) from SQL 2008 R2 to SQL 2012 and a new set of database servers. Nick Craver should be writing a blog.sf post in the next couple of weeks with more detail about why we moved to SQL 2012 and...

toscho

19:14

We are losing answerers, but we get more questioners. This is worrying, isn’t it?

Rarst

@toscho when was last refresh? data for second quarter might be incomplete

toscho

@Rarst I don’t know how fresh the data are.

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Q: Are unanswered questions a problem yet?

Two years ago I asked an adorable question: is 180,000 unanswered questions too many? Now there are 704,563 questions with no up-voted answers and counting. I've had the feeling that this flood was starting to overwhelm the site, but I went looking for some concrete data. Percentage of open que...

Rarst

hmm "jun 27 most recent" should be nearly complete

toscho

I took the query from the highest voted answer.

Maybe we should upvote first answers always if they are not really crappy? To motivate new members?

toscho

19:38

Good read: 10 things I hate about Git

Rarst

@toscho yeah, read it while back but it's been making rounds again

kaiser

$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] ... the online equivalent of a catholic Imam, paid by »Buddhist ltd.«, who tries to let you believe in something that probably doesn't exist.

kaiser

20:23

@Rarst Where u exactly from?

Rarst

@kaiser Ukraine

kaiser

@Rarst haha :) city?

Rarst

@kaiser Kiev

kaiser

so I remembered corretly - just testing my long time memory ;)

@Rarst Just wanted to know how much Kiew-Vienna costs.

(by plane)

Rarst

why? :)

kaiser

20:28

just because :)

to be honest: Just have some people in the flat, talking about different things... like you (of course) ;)

Rarst

keep eerie stuff to yourself please, I get nervous easily :)

toscho

►

kaiser

@Rarst We are talking about if we want to import you.

Rarst

what's up with everyone wanting to export me this week?..

toscho

@Rarst Prepare for a WPSE surprise party at your home.

ooops!

kaiser

20:34

@toscho ssssht!

@Rarst We were just talking about getting something Rare. A Rarst was just the closest thing we could imagine ;)

amit

21:14

I'm confused. which theme to choose
Twenty eleven OR Twenty Twelve

...... thoughts ?

Rarst

@amit there is no twenty twelve yet

amit

but the nightly builg WP version is serving that

Rarst

nightly build != stable

Rarst

21:57

sammy: Okay..being a mod is like playing Sims because you have all this power...you create a world for your people...you try to make it safe...happy...you monitor it to stop problems...you check their needs and try to meet them...but no matter what you do, sooner or later people are going to stand around waving their arms and yelling illegibly about something you've done wrong.
<TheBeeSingsWithMalice> And then you start herding them into the pool and taking out the ladders... http://qdb.us/308135

Wyck

23:06

hmm just asked a question on meta, hit submit and it disapeared

Rarst

@Wyck refresh in a bit, meta is half-dead activity-wise - takes time for cache to refresh

I see it in inbox

Wyck

ah ya nm

Rarst

I am pretty sure this was discussed... if not on or meta - defintiely beaten topic in network. not going to happen...

toscho

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Q: Would it be possible to have a "community accepted" feature?

Recently, I have answered a few questions that were upvoted by factors more than the accepted answer, but not accepted. This one, at the time of my writing, has an accepted answer that the asker said was not what he wanted. I don't know why. In the future, when people view this, people might only...

feature-request status-declined reputation accepted-answer

Wyck

ya I thought about that after I posted it

toscho

23:11

0

Q: Allow users to mark "accepted" answer on someone else's question?

I have often come upon questions where the asker never bothered accepting what is obviously a correct answer. "Obviously" can mean (aside from my own judgment): The answer is a clear leader in up-votes (again, combined with my judgment that it is a correct one) The answer is the only one (and a...

feature-request accepted-answer zombie

Wyck

I understand why it's a bad idea, but the drive by's are an issue

I deleted it, because ya was bad post

toscho

@Wyck They are not a problem when the answer is upvoted by other members.

Answers without votes are more difficult.

Wyck

@toscho ya exactly, it doesn't really make any difference

outside stats

toscho

I have written answers to questions which had already an accepted answer. It was just a wrong. :) So accepting alone doesn’t mean much anyway.

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