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Q: How long should we wait before we delete closed questions?

We can reopen closed questions per reopen votes or moderator decision. But most closed questions just stay closed. They pollute search results and hurt the reputation of the askers. See also: The Stack Overflow Question Lifecycle While some of these questions may still have useful answers, most h...

Aahan Krish

04:13

Aha, finally! Now the number of questions I asked = number of questions I've answered :D

Pankaj

04:55

@userabuser This is what is needed and it works like charm Thank you so much brother...you are P.O.G ;)

@brady so you are high on drugs :D

Pankaj

05:12

now i tried if there is video on the read more
function twentyeleven_custom_excerpt_more( $output ) {

global $post;

if ( get_post_meta($post->ID, 'pdf_link', true) ) {

$output .= '<a class="button button1-indent" href="'.get_post_meta($post->ID, 'pdf_link', true) .'"><span><span>Read More</span></span> <div id="border_below_home"></div></a>';
return $output;

}
else if ( get_post_meta($post->ID, 'Video_link', true) ) {

$output .= '<a class="button button1-indent" href="'.get_post_meta($post->ID, 'Video_link', true) .'"><span><span></span></span> <div id="border_below_home"></div></a>';

I learned this very new thing from you thanks a ton :)

toscho

07:44

Answer rate: 83%. We overtook ServerFault.

next goals: android and cogsci. Then apple.

Sisir

morning

Rarst

08:01

@AahanKrish nice symmetry!.. I still need to ask few more for such... :)

@toscho niiiiiiiiice

Aahan Krish

@Rarst haha! can you? ;)

Rarst

08:26

@toscho do you use mobile twitter site on desktop? or who was it?

toscho

yes, in my sidebar

sometimes

Rarst

does it auto-update?

toscho

no

Rarst

damn... I am trying to improve setup - titter now goes at bottom half of left display... web site is nce but sidebar is useless waste of space and can't see timeline and replies at the same time

toscho

In fact, in Opera you don’t get any JavaScript there. I reported this as a bug almost 18 month ago. Twitter devs aren’t the brightest judging by the conversations I had with them … :D

Rarst

08:30

and twitter clients usually suck big time... installed metrotwit yesterday - looks fancy, but doesn't even match web site in some functionality

toscho

I think it is almost dead.

Rarst

who is?

toscho

Twitter

Rarst

doesn't look like that to me... well, when it dies it dies :) I don't care that much

toscho

there is still much noise, but no innovation. real debates happen on G+ and on blogs, of course.

Rarst

08:34

G+ is in worse place as for me... it's just... bland? social network for the sake of social network

toscho

and after all these years they still haven’t found a working business model.

the only social network I would really miss is our site. :) anything else can be replaced.

Rarst

btw could use version of this chat without sidebar as well... some days I understand people who spend unholy times scripting/styling the heck out of sites

facepalm why highlight tweet I just made as unread?.. I swear either something about creating twitter client shutdowns attention to detail or it attracts wrong kinds of developers

Aahan Krish

But I still have https://twitter.com/#!/AahanKrish

Rarst

@AahanKrish interface update rolling out, I got it just last evening

Aahan Krish

Ah... hmm

Brady

08:47

Wooo, I've finally joined the ranks of Rarst, Toscho and Kaiser with my outspoken badge :)

Aahan Krish

I heard this many days ago, was wondering if it's only me :P

toscho

@Brady Your life is complete now.

oh, wait … your rep is still just four digits. that’s not complete.

Aahan Krish

lol

@Rarst and @toscho what's the speed of your internet connection?

Rarst

@AahanKrish not fixed really, depends on time of the day, phase of the moon... peaks at maybe 25mbit/s on good days

Aahan Krish

oh... hmm

toscho

08:54

My connection is really slow. I know each bit’s first and last name.

Aahan Krish

@toscho go on... mine's 8 mbps

(constant) but it's quite enough for me right now

toscho

6 mbps … 3 am on a working day

Aahan Krish

hmm... thanks to my stupid ISP, I was on a 2mbps connection all these months while paying for an 8mbit one. They changed my profile yesterday... damn I should've checked my speed!

Pollux Khafra

09:45

Is this relevant enough to ask on this site? stackoverflow.com/questions/11166981/…

Rarst

10:24

@PolluxKhafra no (as for me)

krembo99

anyone here knows how to get all the custom fields that were used site-wide (not by post and not get_custom_fields();

Aahan Krish

@krembo99 Why not ask it here? It looks like a question suitable for the main site.

Rarst

@krembo99 no such function that I can remember, need to query db

Aahan Krish

10:40

@Rarst aren't "custom fields" defined only in posts?

(i mean in post editor)

Rarst

@AahanKrish don't get what you mean... they are just a form of data storage associated with posts

krembo99

@Rarst - I would think there must be something, otherwise, how can the post interface give a list of the previously used ones ? anyhow, i will do a direct query ..

Aahan Krish

@Rarst yeah, that's what I meant.

Rarst

@AahanKrish I don't follow...

@krembo99 I don't really use native interface ever so not sure what "give" that is :)

Aahan Krish

@Rarst I meant -- where does someone mention a custom field? In posts "only" right?

Rarst

10:43

@AahanKrish mention?..

Aahan Krish

@Rarst Ahh! I don't know what to say exactly, I'll show you

krembo99

@Rarst , well, when you add a new post - in the custom_fields box it will give you a dropdown of all previously used custom_fields names ..

@Rarst - So I just thought someone knows this function - if not - I will dig into the source , or will just do a direct query . Just thought this array is ready somehow .

Aahan Krish

@Rarst I meant this

Isnt that the only way one can "define" a custom field?

Rarst

@krembo99 that seems ajaxy

@AahanKrish that's native interface for it, you can define it however you like wherever

Aahan Krish

Oh... I didn't know that

krembo99

10:47

@Aahankrish - you can define custom fields in many many ways . Like meta_boxes, direct insert_post etc etc ..

Aahan Krish

@krembo99 hmm... I have a long, long way to go

krembo99

@Rarst , it can very well be Ajaxy, but even Ajax need to take the data from somewhere

Rarst

@krembo99 meta_form()

krembo99

@Rarst - boy, you are quick :-) anyhow, I guess there is no filter for that and it seems it is not returning a value but directly outputting markup ,Oh well - i will just use the direct query from there .. thanks ..

Rarst

@krembo99 quick? this took forever :)

krembo99

11:01

@rarst , well, i am working on a plugin that even if seems simple - posed quite a few challenges . and IMHO - (unless you have nothing else to do) - that was quick :-)

Rarst

@krembo99 searching for SQL sucks...

krembo99

@Rarst , I know. Alternatives ?

Rarst

I meant as it eats time to figure out

krembo99

@right . so now i can copy the one in that function :-) thanks ..#

@Rarst , you know what else sucks ? (I am just venting/Ranting here - feel free to ignore) - that I have maybe 30 (pretty good) plugind - but I never publish because I can not find the patience or th time to learn SVN :-) How Lame is that ??

Rarst

@krembo99 publish elsewhere :)

krembo99

11:07

Git is no better . And making a dedicated website - Too much time. do you know the proverb " the shoemaker walks barefooted " ??

@Rarst - that´s me .

Rarst

@krembo99 I like Mercurial most... although publishing to official repo doesn't really take learning SVN much, just going through the motions in line with instructions

krembo99

@Rarst - but the plugin repository on wordpress is SVN .

@Rarst , and on top of it - i use winxp SP2 - even tortuise can not work :-)

Rarst

@krembo99 yeah, but putting plugin there is like copy/paste, adjust and run two lines in console... it's far from really using version control and they actually discourage using repo for development, only hosting

krembo99

@Rarst , - So I guess the world can live without my plugins :-)

@Rarst - to be honest - I never even tried :-) Just the word "SVN" discorreged me from going any further ..

toscho

@AahanKrish That is populated get_post_custom() minus all keys beginning with an underscore … if I remember that corrct.

Aahan Krish

11:19

hmm...

@toscho Is there a way to get notified of edits to answers of my questions?

toscho

no

Aahan Krish

:( Rarst edited one of his answers and I didnt know until he told me

toscho

@AahanKrish you should look into your responses sometimes.

Aahan Krish

@toscho Oh, great! :D

That'll do!

Aahan Krish

11:53

Akismet Pro + Cookies for comments -> 0 false positives, 100% spam caught over the week

toscho

In my German blog Akismet didn’t catch enough spam.

I close all posts after 90 days now.

this rule is active since 22.02.2012. Result:

userabuser

12:16

@Pankaj No problem! Enjoy.

@toscho 1032

toscho

@userabuser hm?

userabuser

four digits

bow down

toscho

it’s a good start! :P

anu

12:43

afternoon all. anyone know where the set of allowed html tags in comments is stored in the database

Aahan Krish

@toscho And why are you not using cookies for comments? It's good

@anu You mean the text below comment textbox?

anu

@AahanKrish indirectly. where is $allowedtags populated from

Aahan Krish

Oh... that I don't know. :P All I know is how to change that text.

@toscho Oh, German! Akismet is probably not so good when dealing with international languages. But either way, Cookies for Comments should do the job.

anu

Ah, ok, I get what's happening - allowed tags are only filtered for non-admins - which is why my comments were working fine but other people's weren't.

userabuser

learnboost.github.com/stylus nice! (for nodejs)

Aahan Krish

12:51

@userabuser lol! The comments make me laugh

userabuser

;) hehe

this is how the css spec should have been in the first place, sick of writing monstrous CSS files (short of using LESS)

Aahan Krish

Have you tried LESS, SCSS, compass and stylus?

all of them

userabuser

LESS yes, but not SCSS (any good?) ... Stylus not yet, but I am clearly going to (its for Nodejs) which is bloody excellent!

Aahan Krish

I tried none... I'll pick one that's more productive for me :)

i.e. less time more code (with less errors)

userabuser

As with anything, there is a learning curve, I suspect LESS and SCSS to be comparable though. Once you're up to scratch with LESS, it definitely is LESS time, LESS code.

I had started taking a more object oriented approach to writing regular CSS anyway to reduce complexity, but its not until you use something that gives you similar abilities to that of a scripting language that CSS actually becomes fun to write again.

Aahan Krish

13:02

:D

true

userabuser

What makes Stylus more exciting though is you can do away with curly braces { } and semi/coling ; : entirely.

Aahan Krish

yeah... but I am wondering how it affects readability

userabuser

its controlled by whitespace/indentation...

sidebar
  border 1px solid

element, property

Aahan Krish

hmm...

The project has a very good following, so surely, it's good

Who here uses Google spreadsheets cum forms? It does a pretty good job

I am setting one up for my website

userabuser

13:26

Never used before no

In what context are you using it?

Aahan Krish

@userabuser Contact form

as an alternative to emailing -- for the lazy

userabuser

What's wrong with a good contact form instead of a spreadsheet pretending to be a contact form?

Aahan Krish

@userabuser caching issues

I don't really want to start googling for tuts and stuff on how to prevent caching of contact forms in WP

;)

Besides Google Forms are very simple to modify if I ever have to.

userabuser

umm.. a little confused, caching of contact form?

Aahan Krish

@userabuser In WP if you are using a caching plugin, your pages are cached, and I've read that it can break forms

By the way, I am only suggesting it as an option, and not a full-blown alternative.

@userabuser see example: docs.google.com/a/a8c.com/spreadsheet/…

userabuser

13:38

Read, is not the same as experienced. You're likely creating more work for yourself than simply having the form hosted locally within your WP theme, caching plugin or not. However, you can exclude pages from being cached with such plugins if its a concern, though proper configuration should avoid any issue in the first place.

Aahan Krish

hmm... how about SPAM? :D

with google forms I dont need to use captcha and the like

userabuser

Remember I run a number of sites, my spam rate is what I would call low, most of which is caught by filters. You can use non-intrusive captcha/like questions that still provide for a good UX.

Spam is only really a problem, once you start experiencing it. Not prior to.

Aahan Krish

@userabuser why actually are you suggesting against Google forms? It's not at all complicated. Just create the form, embed it, and you are good to go

userabuser

No, I'm not suggesting against it, its a perfectly plausible solution, as an alternative, however as a developer I never resort to third party services for something that should otherwise be seamlessly integrated into a site by way of standard unless there's something preventing you from using local forms. But its personal preference of course.

Aahan Krish

hmm... actually makes sense :D

userabuser

13:48

Also, I don't like the idea of having to access another data store to retrieve information, unless its an external service that I can use such as an E-mail Autoresponder (eg. MailChimp) where your custom form fields would populate an e-mail list that you can broadcast market to in addition to having users send general contact emails.

But in its most basic arrangement, a locally hosted form on your WP site could store data (such as in a custom post type) in addition to notifying you via e-mail of a new contact message.

Gravity Forms (premium plugin) does this, and I think Ninja Forms (premium plugin) too. But I have no doubt there would be a free plugin that would do the same thing. Or its quite easy to write a simple solution yourself that uses wp_insert_post to store the data before you hook into send mail function.

Aahan Krish

I'll check them out... now

anu

14:03

and new version of a site is launched. time for my weekend to start

Aahan Krish

@userabuser need some help with applying conditional tags to a function

I need to apply is_single on this: pastebin.com/Lg6VKXAp

Aahan Krish

14:17

This works, but is it the right way to apply the conditional tag? (look for is_single() )

add_filter( 'the_content', 'wpse_52662_add_extra', 1000 );

function wpse_52662_add_extra( $content ) {

	return preg_replace_callback(
		'~<p(>|\s+[^>]*>)(.*?)</p>~miU' // find <p>
	,   'wpse_52662_callback'           // pass the result to the callback
	,   $content
	,   1                               // stop after first match
	);

}

function wpse_52662_callback( $m ) {

	if ( is_single() ) {
		$extra = 'CUSTOM CODE';
	}

	return ( FALSE === strpos( $m[2], '<img' ) ) ? $extra.$m[0] : $m[0].$extra;

userabuser

14:30

The syntax is correct yes, if ( is_single() ) { ... }

Aahan Krish

Great!

userabuser

14:43

Btw @AahanKrish if the conditional is_single returns false, there will be no $extra variable available to the conditions being checked within the return value... is that what you want to occur?

Aahan Krish

@userabuser I don't want the "CUSTOM CODE" to show if the conditional is_single returns false

userabuser

k

Aahan Krish

I am very poor at filling "About Me" — what have I got to say about myself really :(

lkraav

15:24

sup peeps

are there any obvious side effects for doing global $wp_post_types; unset( $wp_post_types[ "sometype" ] );

in an init action

i think i'd like to have this core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/14761

goal is just to basically disable a plugin for non-logged-in adminstrators

userabuser

non-logged in administrators? so you mean a normal user? :)

toscho

@AahanKrish I have no idea what you are talking about. Such a setting doesn’t exist.

Aahan Krish

@toscho what setting? "Cookies for comments"? That's a plugin I run alongside Akismet

wordpress.org/extend/plugins/cookies-for-comments

toscho

@lkraav Yes, you have to write unset( $GLOBALS['wp_post_types'][ "sometype" ] ) just to get a reliable result.

@AahanKrish ugh, nooo, I would never hurt my performance so bad just because some people comment.

Aahan Krish

@toscho performance? I am using .htaccess rules :)

RewriteCond %{HTTP_COOKIE} !^.*XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.*$
RewriteRule ^wp-comments-post.php - [F,L]

And that's how it looks

toscho

15:40

@AahanKrish And extra HTTP overhead. Remember, these cookies are send to all resources on your site, not just the comment script.

Aahan Krish

@toscho Are you sure? I don't think so. The plugin adds an extra css or image file to which the cookie is attached... not to all resources, I think

And loading one extra file + cookie isn't hopefully a huge overhead

toscho

@AahanKrish You cannot restrict cookies this way. All requests to images, JavaScripts, stylesheets, fonts … contain that cookie now.

Aahan Krish

oh...

toscho

And 99% of your visitors don’t even use the comment form.

Aahan Krish

The only problem is I hate to have spam comments shown to my visitors.

@toscho one last thing... isn't the cookie loaded only once? I mean, it's going to be cached, right?

toscho

15:45

then put first time commenters into the moderation queue.

userabuser

dont auto approve comments

or auto approve comments for registered users only

toscho

hehe, high five :)

userabuser

or only show commens live to the user who posted it until approved

toscho

@AahanKrish cookies aren’t cached. you cannot use cookies and caching the same time.

Aahan Krish

@userabuser You mean... remove the "your comment is under moderation...." notice :D

@toscho Hmm... now it kinda perfectly makes sense why not so many use this plugin

userabuser

15:47

Yeah... or "your comment wont appear to others until it has been approved."

Aahan Krish

Hmm... will do that

toscho

@AahanKrish even if it would be useful I wouldn’t let such poor code near my site. the author never heard of wp_enqueue_style. :(

Aahan Krish

haha!

Well, I must admit that my website is blazing fast since disabling the plugin (or it's simply an illusion)

toscho

when you are logged in cookies are sent anyway.

Aahan Krish

I have more than 1 browser dude

:)

toscho

16:00

you don’t even need a second browser, just a private tab.

Aahan Krish

ah..whatever!

Thanks for the tip by the way (both cookies and the private tab thing :D )

lkraav

17:04

@toscho thanks dude

user1301840

17:56

hey guys i have a question

Michael Ecklund

blog.jackcheng.com/post/25160553986/the-slow-web

Aahan Krish

18:34

@MichaelEcklund The font is magnificient. I've never seen a font look so beautiful on Windows (it's probably the font-size though)

toscho

Big fonts are sexy.

lkraav

i really dig that fixed sidebar

dope

Sisir

20:52

spain through :)

toscho

yep. it was too easy

Sisir

Germany vs Spain on Final :) will be great

toscho

haha, it will be too easy again. but … okay. :D

Michael Ecklund

@toscho do you have an article i could read about getting my plugin on the svn?@

Sisir

and Spain 4 - 0 Germany :) sweet!

toscho

21:03

@Sisir in red cards maybe

@MichaelEcklund one minute, delicious is so slow.

delicious.com/toscho/wordpress+svn

From @EAMann eamann.com/tech/how-to-publish-a-wordpress-plugin-subversion

4

Q: How to add plugin to WordPress Repository?

I just made my first plugin and it got approved by WordPress. Great news for me, but now what? The "instructions" on the Codex are anything but clear for me. I did find an article on Dig WP and I managed to get to the 3rd line of code. After that no joy. Does anyone here have a clear set of inst...

plugin-repository how-to

Sisir

have any git version?

toscho

@Sisir teleogistic.net/2011/05/…

wp.tutsplus.com/tutorials/plugins/…

delicious.com/toscho/wordpress+git

I should move my links to a self controlled environment … delicious sucks.

Sisir

twitter is also slow now

Michael Ecklund

21:27

@toscho I am working on a few different plugins with a fellow of mine. What setup would you recommend for developing? Should we use github as a primary and wordpress as a secondary? or otherway around?

toscho

Always use Git as primary. SVN is not made for atomic commits (and Otto made it very clear he doesn’t want to see those).

Michael Ecklund

@toscho can you set your code to private on Git?

toscho

yes, on paid accounts. Or use Bitbucket. You get pricate accounts there, but the interface is not as nice as github’s

If you're going to do this sort of thing, please do an interactive rebase and then change all the commits to be squashed, so that you don't make dozens of small commits to the SVN servers. More info on how to do this is here: stackoverflow.com/questions/158514/… — Otto Jan 26 at 0:33

Sisir

@toscho i am using bitbucket. is there any script that automatic update from bit bucket repo to wordpress site?

toscho

I don’t know.

Sisir

21:37

i have seen github to wordpress site script though

toscho

you can use Git on Bitbucket. Push the updates to the WordPress repo from your local repo, not from Bitbucket.

Sisir

@toscho what to do with this wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/49634/… similar Q link is thr. could be closed as exact duplicate?

toscho

Not sure. I wait for the close votes (not flags) of our community. :)

Jared

21:56

Anyone know if it's possible to automatically resize a tinyMCE dialog box's height?

toscho

And your research effort is …? — toscho 4 hours ago

Should give this its own keyboard shorthand.

Jared

Is that to me? lol

toscho

no, that was just coincidence. but … :D

Michael Ecklund

@toscho if we do a private repo, do we both need to pay? or just one of us?

Jared

Oh lol well I have been googling, not asking for any research but if someone knows off-hand that would be great. :)

toscho

22:00

@MichaelEcklund Just one.

You can invite a non-paying member to a private repo.

Michael Ecklund

okay thanks

toscho

if you don’t need the interface you can also just share a Dropbox or Gdrive for the repo. I have done this, works fine.

EAMann

22:31

@sisr Also eamann.com/tech/how-to-publish-a-wordpress-plugin-git

toscho

1 hour ago, by toscho

From @EAMann http://eamann.com/tech/how-to-publish-a-wordpress-plugin-subversion/

EAMann

Yep, I saw that. But I also saw someone ask if there was one for Git.

toscho

ah, didn't see the difference.

we need oneboxing for private web sites from mods. :)

EAMann

Slightly different workflow. :-)

Yes, yes we do ...

toscho

22:49

WP UI test

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