Hello.

I seem to have found a deficiency in the docs:

@Darth_Vader @Gabriel Please remember to look closely when suggesting/approving edits - this suggested edit actually added part of the answer text into a code block: wordpress.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/109843 (I've fixed it now)

anyone ever play with Bootstrap nav walker? I've spend an hour trying to figure out how to turn the child menu from a div to a list. I can't seem to find a Q&A on it, but I was able to turn <div class="dropdown-menu"> into <ul class="dropdown-menu">?

@TimMalone huh?

@Rarst Exactly. I wish there was a way mods could cast a close 'vote' rather than it always be a hammer, for this exact situation. There might be times you want to contribute to the community consensus rather than force it :)

@Darth_Vader Have a look at the link. Part of the answer made it into the first code block. Also there were still backticks in the indented code. Just a reminder to double check before submitting the suggested edit, that's all. :)

my apologies for being human

@Darth_Vader I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, just in case you are, suggested edits should generally be pretty good and fix everything with a post, to avoid wasting reviewer time - more here meta.stackexchange.com/a/76284/317795

@TimMalone I dont need a link for what was a one time error. Maybe next time you should say, hey, just FYI it looks like your edit text went into the code block

hence the reason it goes into 'review'

@Darth_Vader That's what I was saying :) My apologies if I caused offense.

the Medium thing really stung :D

@Rarst shallow tweet: poor exposition, bad character development, difficult to relate to on a personal level. 5.2/10 would not read again.

But I love that you've gotten such a kick out of it xD

I hadn't had Matt descend from the mountain since I kicked GPL bullshit years ago

I feel like we should commission a tapestry to commemorate these historic events

save the moneys for core dropping PHP 5.2, might be in our lifetime

Well that's nowhere near as interesting to illustrate, but you're probably right, lol

I don’t want to be on tapestry with Matt, he is way better groomed :)

But it's poetry art! There's room for artistic license!

I would just reply-tweet "LOL", but that that would be a very shallow tweet

why would I waste time replying to Matt? :)

I disagree with the article, I am not a car mechanic and still I own and drive a car. I can ride a train, bus, plane, taxi, in a better comfort (maybe) but I don't need any special mechanical knowledge to own an engine on four wheels in which I can get from place A to B

the question should probably be, when the car gets old, will there be any spare parts to be able to service it when needed

There is nothing wrong with 5.2 itself. Sure it has bugs and other things that got improvments over time, but it is unlikely 7.0 is perfect

I am not a driver, but as far as I remember cars are subject to mandatory maintenance, car with broken brakes is major hazard on the road

poorly maintained and unsecure site is hazard online and its owners responsibility

are you claiming that security issues do not happen when you use 7.0?

are you claiming that version that had no security releases for over five years is comparably secure to a stable one?

if it is maintained by me then sure

windows 10 is not likely to be more secure then windows XP SP2 just because it is newer. New software new security bugs

and that's part of the issue. major resources are burnt for the sake of compatibility with obsolete versions of language and compatibility with actual stable suffers.

ok, but that is not the claim you made in the article, at least not in any explicit way

I can't whine about everything at once in a single article

na, you underestimate yourself ;)

WP encourages people running sites without technical knowledge and responsibility. that's what this article is about.

side topic is that WP bullies developers into supporting that picture.

yes, and that is what I disagree with. I mean I disagree it is a bad thing

developers are big boys and should ignore core shit

I would roughly agree with that statement, but many of WP developers are exposed to tech through WP and lack perspective

they just do what is "normal" in WP

no disagreement here

The problem is not so much that people do not need to know the technical details, but that the marketing machine tells them it is just so easy anything can be done in 5 min by anyone

then the race to the bottom follows and people with any understanding of how to develop software and sites just go away from the wordpress game

When I need a car mechanic, I don't usually just go to any random person claiming to be one. Obviously some people do but then there is the regulation that force them from time to time to get a competent one

I don't think you really even disagree with my article :) you still acknowledge that to drive a car you need at the minimum know how to drive and that mechanic needs to service the car... WP pretends that to self-host a site you don't need anything, it's all magiced away!

it's like someone selling cars, putting under advantages that you don't need to know how to drive and it will never break

Yes, but I think most people understand that. Even getting a domain name requires some technical understanding that there is such a thing and what it does. so it is not black and what or any other firm borders thing. The question is how much should site owners know.

Core is obviously not helpful by adding more magic with language selection and now automatic language packs, but it is actually the things that are not in the core which IMO are the main issue hiding the complexities - proper backup system, proper plugin/theme testing sandbox, minimal security "defender".

Once I followed one of @gmazzap test related comment and found out there is undocumented feature of PHP that lets you control the inclusion of php files. In theory this can be used to have a smartphone like permission system to reduce access of plugins and theme

Core just doesn't try to make the site owners secure and busy with justifying it instead of fixing the issues (user enamuration is the obvious and easieest one to fix)

totally horrible and non secure htaccess by default

anyone ever play with post_links with a conditional if it's the 1st page and only visible is previous_posts_link do X and if it's the last page that only shows next_posts_link do Y?

What do we do when a user appears to return to edit their own question as a different user resulting in a suggested edit?

@bosco ask them to merge both of their accounts and tell then that they should only have one account

@Darth_Vader Thanks, I suspected as much =] . But more specifically, should the suggested edit be denied or accepted? It appears to be an improvement to the original, but on the other hand it's difficult to verify that the two users are one and the same, in which case the modifications could actually be detrimental.

I would suggest approving it. I think it's only 2 rep points or something minimal for a correct edit so unless they are consistently doing this it's more beneficial to us as user trying to answer the question than that user trying to gain rep by edits.

@Darth_Vader I am not sure that's along the lines of what you think but I vaguely remember doing stuff with hanging items. i.e. if last page only has 1 post then tail it onto a previous page.

@Howdy_McGee I agree, if the post is an improvement do not deny it

@bosco I would flag to inform a mod and then they can send a mod email to notify the user they aren't supposed to have duplicate accounts, request SE to merge them or run a few checks to see if they are actually the same user with two different accounts and go from there. several options exist but it's all up to what the WP.SE mods want to do.

@Rarst Im looking for page a way to write a conditional on page 1 so that I can style just for next_posts_link() and the same for the last page that only has ` previous_posts_link()` and my searching seems wrong as I'm not getting anything

get the link, check what you get, output HTML conditionally on that?

@Howdy_McGee @Darth_Vader Grazie! I accepted the edit. I won't flag it as nothing appears particularly malicious, I'd argue too trivial for mod attention. But I left a comment with a link to the account merge FAQ.

@Darth_Vader meeeeh, leave mods out of it. we can't merge accounts anymore, it's higher powers' problem now

@Rarst mods, can send an email to SE staff, lol

anyone can!

@Rarst just take away my feeling of specialness..

the only thing special is a diamond, rest are downsides

@Darth_Vader couldn't you just check the page number from get_query_var('paged', 1) against 1 (first page) and $wp_query->max_num_pages (last page)?

@bosco ah thanks led me to find an answer for the first part, still working on the last

@bosco got it

@Darth_Vader ah good stuff - glad it got sorted =]

@bosco function away

working on that DRY right now