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04:00

is WP SE the appropriate place to ask for plugin recommendations?

Stack Exchange

04:21

Q: Is WP SE an appropriate place to ask for plugin recommendations?

I need some suggestions for an ecommerce plugin that will allow users to register and seller and/or buyer to sell/buy digital products. The seller will be given time to produce the digital product and deliver to the buyer. I want my site to take a percentage off the sale. Are plugin recommendati...

Mayeenul Islam

05:12

@Rarst is bald :) now - I's shocked first :o

Sisir

05:40

My first ever patch submission to WP trac :)

Mayeenul Islam

@Sisir Good luck! I submitted my first one by April, till it's a pending discussion.

Sisir

The speed of wp tickets are slower then a file in govt organizations in BD

Mayeenul Islam

right. Just yesterday I joined Matt's WordPress survey, and I said the only bad thing is: "Core trac is damn slow"

Sisir

need to take participation on dev chats..

Mayeenul Islam

at slack, right?

Sisir

05:49

yeah

they have open floor at the end of each session. Probably a good time for bringing up our tickets.

Mayeenul Islam

@Sisir nice hearing that

Sisir

Once a ticket got mentioned in dev chat it gets lots of attention.

Rarst

@MayeenulIslam that's not bald though...

Sisir

@rarst ah, finally a different avatar of you!

Rarst

finally?.. :)

Sisir

05:56

its creepy to see when people got older but their avatar doesn't :)

Rarst

got old?.. >_<

Sisir

we all are!

Rarst

ok, oldER I am fine with :P

Sisir

haha

Rarst

previous avatar was barely two years old though

Sisir

05:58

Its a failure of loopchat we couldn't make @toscho to change his

toscho

@Sisir Robots don't age.

Mayeenul Islam

@toscho :)

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kraftner

08:24

@Sisir This is why I keep my face off of them. :)

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kraftner

10:40

@Rarst Any chance you are talking about the zip of laps from github on twitter?

Rarst

how did you know... ;(:::

WordPress, dammit...

kraftner

I think there is something wrong with the zip file.

Rarst

yeah... but what something?

kraftner

If I download it and open it it somehow puts the path in the filename.

Rarst

it works perfectly fine in my local system....

kraftner

10:44

But it is weird. The laps folder is there, but inside everything is flattend

Already noticed yesterday, sorry for not telling you, I was of course assuming some quirks on my end :)

Rarst

I get the issue, I don't get what it means :(

kraftner

At least you could reproduce it now. Ubuntu Archive Manager shows this behaviour.

Did you create this file or is this generated by github?

Rarst

it's generated by my Robo task / PHP

kraftner

Maybe some issues with \ vs / on Windows vs. Unix?

Rarst

idk...

kraftner

10:49

This sounds like the same issue:

github.com/icsharpcode/SharpZipLib/issues/54

Rarst

can I throw file your way with attempt to change slashes? don't have nixes on hand

kraftner

Have you tried updating Symfony? Looks like they have updated some Windows compat stuff recently.

But sure, send me the file.

Rarst

dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58900/laps-1.3.1.zip

kraftner

Fixed. :)

Rarst

grumbles

I need to abstract release task into separate package...

kraftner

11:00

Rarst

released 1.3.2

kraftner

Download is fine. :)

Rarst

cheers :)

kraftner

Now I have a question ;)

Rarst

shoot...

kraftner

11:12

Do you by accident know what is the reasoning that get_metadata doesn't unserialize if you query for all data (no $meta_key value)

performance?

really unexpected behaviour...

Rarst

no idea

kraftner

Ah there we go. Was a bug. Was fixed. Caused trouble. Reverted back to expected buggy state.

sigh.

core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/15030

David

11:49

Caused trouble on »wordpress.com VIP«. That is of course a reason to keep the buggy state.

kraftner

Well to be honest I can somewhat understand the reasoning here. I bet there is terribly much code that would break badly and I do not see any way to do this backwards compatible.

Still this is the moments working on a platform with legacy support hurts.

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kraftner

12:55

MultilingualPress 2.2.0 just released: github.com/inpsyde/multilingual-press/releases/tag/v2.2.0

lkraav

oh no

scared to update

kraftner

I have nothing in production (or close to it) yet, but the fixes included are nice

ialocin

13:29

Q: can require "themefolder/includes/widgets.php" in "themefolder/functions.php" yet widgets.php doesn't run

In order to keep things clean I use functions.php almost solely to require other files. As such part of functions.php looks like this: #include types require("includes/types.php"); #include shortcodes require("includes/shortcodes.php"); #include widgetareas require("includes/widgetareas.php"); #...

themes widgets

Idea, anyone? I'm curious, but at the end of the rope with my knowledge here.

kraftner

Sounds interesting but no clue why.

Rarst

answered

kraftner

that was quick

Rarst

been there, done that :)

kraftner

The problem with using best practices is that you never find out why they exist in the first place ;)

ialocin

13:36

quick indeed

Rarst

on the contrary, usually you first find out why, then start using... :)

hard way :D

ialocin

but why does it work on my server? just some configuration thing?

Sitenote, finally the title of longest hair on WPSE is mine!

Rarst

it probably fails in admin context since index would be wp-admin/index.php

ialocin

guys at least I'm guessing and of course my avatar doesn't represent it

ah, ok, that makes sense

kraftner

@Rarst You should clarify that in the answer. This isn't totally obvious.

Rarst

13:40

done

kraftner

perfect

David

Wohoo, my company just made a decision pro »Jira«. :'(

Rarst

13:54

could be trac :P

aaaan nailed it with include :)

David

Could be trac, yes. But coming from github, the UI looks like back in the 90s.

Rarst

github tracker is soooo nice these days

David

But it has no fancy charts, you know.

Rarst

at Yoast we use waffle on top of github, got some charts (not many, but they are working on it) waffle.io/yoast/wordpress-seo

though I would like a better dashboard, just not enough to code it myself :)

David

Reminds me of trello.

These cards-in-lists layout doesn't scale very well.

Rarst

14:03

I mostly use tracker itself, but some people prefer columns in general... matter of taste

not huge fan of trello either, but it's good with people who are :)

David

It's hard to visualize the actual comprehensive degree of capacity utilisation with these tools. That's the problem for our PMs.

Christine Cooper

I don't accept this hair Rarst. You have betrayed us.

Rarst

what?

ah, jumped over hair word :D

us who?..

Christine Cooper

The lengthy hair community ;)

David

lol

Rarst

14:39

@ChristineCooper it's not a community until it has stack exchange :P

kraftner

actually checks to see if there is a hairdressing SE

2 hours later…

Stack Exchange

16:14

Q: System downvotes on edits on new user answers

I've noticed that whenever we edit an answer from a new user, the system automatically downvotes the answer. Some of these answers deserves downvotes due to poor quality like link only answers or answers that does not attempt to answer the question on hand. There are issues though with this: S...

bug suggestion

3 hours later…

Stack Exchange

19:15

A Better Syntax for Scheduled Tasks

Bret Copeland on August 27, 2015

There are lots of domain-specific languages for schedules. The most prominent might be Cron (for *nix scheduled tasks), but there's also RRULE (for iCalendar events) and many others. Cron isn't exactly what I'd call human-friendly. Can you tell me what 10 8,20 * 8 1-5 means if you don't use Cron often? Some DSL's go in the opposite direction and are wildly verbose, or will sacrifice expressiveness for simplicity.

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