The Loop

Mark Kaplun

08:07

pitty google haven't heard about how great are JS only sites ;)

right now I am trying to streamline a site that has 3 jquery libraries loaded from 3 different source, you can guess by yourself how it impacts the performance of the site.

Rarst

08:49

why different sources?

although it might be a little tricky to set on single (free/public) CDN with less popular libs

Mark Kaplun

11:21

have not got to clean that one yet, one from jquery cdn, one from google cdn one from wordpress :(

Rarst

ah, you mean three copies of core jquery itself? ouch :)

Mark Kaplun

yes

Tom J Nowell

14:31

how widespread is SplEnum?

Rarst

not very... what's with "PECL spl_types" requirement? is it built in?

> Warning

This extension is EXPERIMENTAL. The behaviour of this extension including the names of its functions and any other documentation surrounding this extension may change without notice in a future release of PHP. This extension should be used at your own risk.

I guess that's why

not bundled with PHP, no windows DLL...

Tom J Nowell

14:48

Ah well, shame

Nathan Arthur

15:40

Little less than a week ago I asked this question

Basically, every time I tried to access the admin panel I'd be logged out

It resolved itself on its own in 3 days

Now it's started happening again

Anyone have a clue as to what might cause this?

Rarst

I saw it, but had no ideas... check the server time and time on your local computer. other than that hands-on debug needed really...

Nathan Arthur

Hmmm.

It has to be an extension, doesn't it?

Or are there other things I should check?

kaiser

Also remove the "solution" check mark on your answer. No one will try to answer it that way.

Nathan Arthur

Alright.

Nathan Arthur

15:54

Is there some sort of server timezone setting I should be checking?

Rarst

WP mostly overrides time zone, check that time and date are accurate

Nathan Arthur

My server's on PST and is reporting the accurate date & time for that timezone.

As far as wordpress goes, it's a little hard to check without access to the admin panel...

kaiser

access the DB directly

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Q: (Guide) How to add database details to your question

As we got quite some questions dealing with migrating other CMS or custom databases to WordPress, we need a guide on how to attach the minimum needed data. Those posts have some views, but there are simply too many different systems out there to have an expert for everything. So if you want to ke...

Also rename all plugin folders and your current theme folder to switch back to default, then try again.

Nathan Arthur

Alright

kaiser

The options DB entry name is timezone_string iirc

Nathan Arthur

16:11

Yup, 'America/Chicago'

That matches my timezone, but not the server's.

What should WordPress's timezone match?

Rarst

it's unlikely that it is issue directly... I mean if it could have easily broken login we would be drowning in reports of such

Nathan Arthur

Makes sense.

Well, then, I'm off to deactivate plugins via ssh.

Nathan Arthur

16:34

ooh, intriguing, I can now see my site in Chrome. lol

Maybe I'll figure out what was causing that issue, too =)

Aaaaand... disabling all the plugins fixed both issues. =P

Yay! My custom plugin isn't the issue.

Nathan Arthur

16:59

As I suspected.

It's iThemes Security. /sigh

Do any of you have experience with that plugin?

That could mean I was locked out intentionally, but usually iThemes Security emails me when a user gets locked out.

Nathan Arthur

17:26

Well, it's in their court now.

Woops, wrong link. Here's the right one.

Thanks, @Rarst & @kaiser for your help. I mentioned you in my new answer.

toscho

17:54

@NathanArthur Yes, it raised dozens of support issues with my plugins. Delete and forget it.

Nathan Arthur

19:01

@toscho: Do you know of a more-compatible alternative?

toscho

proper server config and maybe some specialized plugins with clear code and focus.

Nathan Arthur

Sounds reasonable.

kaiser

21:17

@Howdy_McGee Could you please stop flagging posts when you already down voted, close voted and left a comment? This is highly annoying. Use flags only when there's no way around moderator involvement.

Howdy_McGee

21:36

@kaiser Are flags not used to bring moderator attention?

I thought the whole system revolves around downvotes to remove them from the front page, comments to give the asker a reason / expaination, and flag to bring moderator attention for a possible close.

kaiser

It takes 5 users to close a question

Why comment > downvote and then flag on top of it?

Flags should be used if moderator attention is necessary. For e.g. rudeness, comment explosion, etc. Closing questions is not in this list.

Howdy_McGee

I suppose I don't know how the system works then. I thought flagging a question threw it into review, where reviewers had the potential to close it. I thought if a question wasn't flagged it would never get closed

kaiser

Well, it throws it into moderator review. :P

Close votes is what puts it into the user review queue.

Howdy_McGee

What's the point of all of the flagging parameters then? Such as Off-Topic, Low Quality, etc. ?

kaiser

@Howdy_McGee 3k reputation for close voting

Howdy_McGee

21:41

If Righgt

kaiser

> For e.g. rudeness, comment explosion, etc

Rule of thumb: If users can't handle it themselves: flag. Else: Don't.

Howdy_McGee

So it's up to users to handle it by downvoting alone? Wouldn't it be far better to just limit the flagging options to: Rude, spam, offensive, etc. ?

kaiser

I just read the following on this page:

> Note that once you gain the reputation to vote to close, you should no longer flag for moderator attention to have questions closed or migrated. It is your responsibility to vote now. See also: How should my flagging change when I gain the ability to vote to close?

Man... I need to talk to SE staff to change that.

@Howdy_McGee moderators don't have the ability to change flagging options. believe me: else we would have done so already.

Howdy_McGee

Gotcha - well... I've been going through the plugin tagged questions, should I not do that / not flag them?

[plugin-*]

kaiser

inspecting now

Rarst

21:48

@Howdy_McGee flagging is for when it needs to be gone like RIGHT NOW

kaiser

@Rarst seems to be not fully true. join TL

@Howdy_McGee could you please search up a close worthy question and flag it for closing?

link it here afterwards please

Howdy_McGee

Sure 1s

Wait, close worthy question in my standard or the standard we just talked about lol ?

An example would be this:

http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/52777/how-can-i-create-a-newsletter-for-my-wp-blog

kaiser

just do as usual

Howdy_McGee

kk

kaiser

flag it please

Howdy_McGee

21:51

done.

kaiser

thanks

ok, @Howdy_McGee it may take a while until the flag appears on our side

Howdy_McGee

Ok. I'll stick to not flagging unless it's important. I guess just let me know what I should do for some of these old plugin questions.

kaiser

will ping you when we know more

Howdy_McGee

xD Sorry I didn't mean to spam you guys with all these flags lol. I have a better understanding now though.

kaiser

n/p

@Howdy_McGee do me favor, please: flag some more. flag isn't happening

@Howdy_McGee could you please tell me from - let's say 3 questions - a link to them and what flag reason you used? I'm just trying to get around what raises a flag for us and what goes directly to the review queue.

@Howdy_McGee Please use the following "flag" in the future: "it should be closed for another reason... This question does not meet this site's standards and should be closed."

Howdy_McGee

22:20

@kaiser Ah right, I did mark one down as low quality earlier. Do you still want me to flag a few more questions?

kaiser

@Howdy_McGee it's ok. just flag what you think is flag/close worthy. but please don't use "low quality" instead of close votes. that's reserved for "so bad that it needs to be deleted immediately" :)

Rarst

which is what I said half an hour ago...

kaiser

@Rarst you should have named the respective flag...

Howdy_McGee

I see, ok will do!

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