@boscho great answers

@boscho small typo "with our or without"

lol "Woo you gonna call? GhostToastBusters?"

Any idea whats wrong with wp.org??

Questionnaire comes up in two of the - at max - 7 days in a year I have not a PC at hand. Sorry to have answered so late.

@G.M. sure sure.. typical politician with their excuses during election campaigns...

@userabuser yep :) but not having answered is a disadvantage for me, politics usually employ excuses when they got some "unwanted" advantages

In Italy, at least

E.g. Berlusconi... ;)

It's better late than never anyway...

Nope, he never use excuses, because in his mind (and sadly in many italians' one) he always does right thing.

better late than never, I'm agree

@G.M. lol, I know... I follow a little Italian politics myself, as a result of family who talk about it a lot. He does genuinely believe he always does the right thing. It's ego... but a lot of politicians, the world over, have this same view of "I'm always right...".

Berlusconi and the inesplicable reason why italians continue to vote for him is reason why I don't follow italian politics. However, yes, I guess politicians all over the world have no a great reputation for non-politicians

so, we are electing 3 moderators.. does anyone loosing moderatorship?

Brady left

he did?

wondered why he aint been around much

>_<

cant edit it now

but if he's leaving then I'd still be the only one if elected

hehe

God save the queen..

@MarutiMohanty I got the same "This is a cached copy of the requested page, and may not be up to date." on the Codex pages. I guess it's a disaster recovery, fetching the pages from Google cache, bying some time to fix the problem ;-)

@birgire yeah it is.

that's not google cache, that's mediawiki cache

@G.M. Like the pope, right?

aha ok, if I recall right, the plan was to migrate the Codex away from MediaWiki to WordPress, maybe that's happening .. or just another database error ;-) ?

@birgire Why the heck didn't you nominate yourself?

@kaiser pope?

@kaiser, hehe my "hobby" time is too unpredictable with two kids ;-)

@G.M. Pontiffex?

@birgire oh, wow. seems like I know nothing about you at all. not even your face :)

@kaiser, maybe I should replace my boring gravatar with a real photo, or maybe a cat ;-)

@birgire same here, which is why i am just a chat-room jockey

i wish i could see results already. the anticipation of the election is killing me!

i used all my sock puppet accounts to vote for revo

@GhostToast Sometimes my 1 yr old goes berzerk on my keyboards when I'm trying to write answers and yesterday she manage to throw my labtop on the floor ;-)

@birgire yipes. yea mine are 5 and 3 so they're past keyboard mashing thankfully

@birgire would highly appreciate the first one. :)

Btw, @GhostToast were does your avatar come from? Did you draw it?

@kaiser yea i did. GhostToast was a nickname given to me by a group of young campers when I worked at a kid's camp one summer, a derivative of my actual name "Gustave"

drew it up a few years ago to have something fun for avatar. 5 years maybe

though that camp was in 2000, how time flies

I like that avatar. Nice illu.

@GhostToast I think your avatar would also look cool on a T-shirt

Are you good at drawing?

@birgire double that

i am pretty good at drawing. i went to school for art, focused on print-making (old fashioned print making, like lithography). not so much good at graphic design though

so most things i scan in and then touch up in illustrator if i do anything. another fun logo guy i made is here: brainalien.com

and thank you for the kind words @kaiser and @birgire

it would be interesting to be able to play for example space invaders with custom avatars ;-)

... perhaps one level could fetch all the gravatars from wpse ;-)

@GhostToast look

@kaiser nice

now search your HD and make an account there :)

haha. would have to get my wife to photograph much of my stuff

these are really cool, how do you make it?

you know from experience that a busy wife isn't a bad thing ;)

hm?

@kaiser brainalien.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/zombieCard2.jpg and brainalien.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/zombieCard3.jpg

@kaiser, do you start with a pencil on paper ?

@GhostToast that foot is hardcore

@birgire yes

@kaiser that stuff was for a board game i was making 6 years ago brainalien.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/cardGamePreview.jpg

@GhostToast you're something like the perfect dad: making zombie card board games for his kids. wow.

haha. we'll see if i ever finish

do you have a wacom?

no

get one. that will motivate you so much that you finish it. promise.

i have tons of unpainted mini figures i need to paint

@kaiser I have one... awesome!

when you get used to it after a week or so, the other benefit is that you will trace that fast in illustrator that it feels like drawing.

@userabuser now tell @GhostToast

@GhostToast .... I was told to tell you, so I'm telling you, get one.

lol

lol!

finally

hehe

lol

polepalm

how do you multi-bookmark?

github.com/fre5h/DoctrineEnumBundle/pull/…

"I will take a look later. Much much later. Because I'm Ukrainian and we have revolution right now. Sorry"

@GhostToast on the right hand side, above our avatars, there's "room". then you find bookmark. you can then just click through the messages you want to bookmark.

@kaiser i emailed you the rest of my zombie game examples so not to bomb Loop with it

neat

thanks!

@TomJNowell wow

One way to attract attention to this revolution. Posted it to Twitter, G+ and the GitHub G+ community.

right, that will fix it.

No one said that. But imo attention is important.

this thing as a whole is not important.

why that?

"Much much later." ... that doesn't sound very optimistic

pawns deciding which of the political overlords factions get access to feeder. we had that that before, remember?

yeah, I remember. but don't you believe that some day some of all those burdens will fall of your countries and therefore your sholders as well?

...no?

we are just stuck betweet europe and russia, which finance their pocket politicians, who finance these bullshit "revolutions"

that's not really the problem you're facing. you have to get visa, have to stand in line for your bank account stuff, etc. that's the problem, right?

how are corrupt political decisions and barricades in the center of the city are helping me?

@Rarst sounds like a good time to take up drinking

"core-modifications", I haven't seen this tag before ;-)

@kaiser p.s. the eskimo poster was my favorite that you made

@Rarst media attention means pressure on politicians. pressure on them forces them to say and maybe even do something to get rid of it. and no politician is really good at deciding when there's pressure. and normally there's something that falls off the table that helps the people in their daily lifes as well.

@GhostToast thanks :)

I think the lack of attention would be best for this thing to wind down. and since it was exactly what was happening someone decided to heat it up and things got meh again.

The economic/upper class decides a lot in most countries in this world. They have access to politicians and their decisions. When there's something that runs against their interests, like people on the streets, road blocks, etc. then they loose money. And this makes negotiating much easier. That's what we call strike over here - the peaceful counterpart. And that's what our interest groups like workers or teachers and so on are doing when something runs against them. This could be your future.

except that middle class gets erroded everywhere and people with money are politicians or their backers

wordpress.stackexchange.com/tags/core-modifications/info - it looks like there are 16 questions tagged with it.

@birgire [tag:core-modifications] always is a direct link to the archive. In comments and answers as well.

@kaiser, didn't know that, thanks

@GhostToast he already has, earl gray

@TomJNowell good, cause he's going to want to stay hydrated and alert.

I have people on my facebook saying Ukraine isn't a democracy now =/

hate when designers use liberal use of letter spacing on web mock ups

I assure you we are very typical modern (crappy and corrupt) democracy :)

we are on the wall

@Rarst yea but when they hover over it it still says "WordPress Answers"

:D

Family sets own house on fire trying to clean up toilet paper

so very WordPress. we ignored issue long enough, your argument is invalid.

:)

oh no, google fonts is going to get me!

oh no, my website is seen by google! oh wait that's what i wanted all along

I don't care about it that much in practice, but I find hypocritical to do in core exactly same thing they forbid plugin authors to do

default theme not exactly same as core

WP is very concerned about everyone's privacy, unless pretty admin is at stake. screw privacy concerns then, clearly.

but admin isn't only core, it's private side of site

where is it in core? i thought this about default theme

3.8 admin loads Open Sans from google fonts

i see

tweet is attempt to stomp on people having issue with that

i am up to speed now

i use google fonts pretty much constantly

my larger concern is font library getting crashed. i wonder if anything malicious could ever be side-loaded through a css.... if it were compromised

as above - minor privacy, major hypocrisy issue

Why can't OpenSans just be bundled with core?

because it's technically complex, serving from Google is easier

Bundle font; @import font in stylesheet. Enqueue stylesheet. Complex?

loading web-served fonts is tricky business

you'd need 3 different flavors. now you have to send it to all clients.

look up related tickets/threads. if you just load font with all language character sets it gets very heavy

Then pick a different font for the admin. Or provide an option.

very sound suggestions, go tell Matt. :)

google font is nice way to provide almost completely predictable font experience for all users

Might be time for a "firewall" mode for WordPress, anyway: assume no contact with the outside world is possible.

most other fonts are generic and replaceable

there is such mode for HTTP requests, everything outgoing can be blocked up.

refusing to queue anything external is interesting thought.

if google font doesn't load, should fall back to 'sans-serif'

@ChipBennett Bundle the Open Sans font

good read

requiring a patch seems silly, but i guess that's a good fallback option for those concerned about the risk of reliance

i am building some intranet sites and assume at some point those libraries will not load. now take into account a site where security is very important and 404s are logged. a user or host takes on too many 404s and is banned...

btw, posting the GitHub issue to the G+ GitHub community and @TomJNowell tweet, caused quite a storm. Ticket gets flooded and seems to be on top of HackerNews...

@kaiser heh

have fun storming the castle!

@GhostToast brilliant! I can't believe insurance is covering that. Should be "barring acts of god and acts of excessive stupidity."

i would be surprised if they get it covered.

"oops someone tp'd my car. and i figured lighting the tp on fire would be best way to remove it. little did i know the tp extended into the gas tank..."

@kaiser are you talking about the Google font bit, or something else?

@GhostToast heh

no, the revolution stuff: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13333787#13333787

@boscho github issue & @Rarst home country

Gotchya, thanks for the clarification

I don't think I've ever read a more politically important GitHub issue thread in my life

@s_ha_dum managed to bypass all others in the mod-Questionnare. Probably because he omitted Woo :D

also because he probably hit refresh every 12 seconds for hours on end to ensure he was first on page

if he is elected i hope he will become a staple in this room as well

@Wyck start from bottom: "recycling in Canada".

@kaiser That did nothing for my inner pack-rat. I'm going to start hoarding broken electronics...

@boscho as you should. i made a little art project with broken electronics just a couple weeks ago

nothing as cool as a robot though

@GhostToast Excellent! I have done similar things with shiny hard-drive platters :D

@boscho ghosttoa.st/led-circuit-art

Actually my office is where the company's tech goes to die. As I write there are no fewer than 4 defunct towers, two broken LCDs (have repaired both before by replacing caps - they die again within a month), six dead UPC batteries, a few power supplies, five PS/2 keyboards and mice that no one wants, and old inkjet printer and a fax machine. I never asked for any of this stuff, but apparently at some point the building decided that my office was the appropriate location to discard these items.

I'm suddenly much more happy about the situation.

^ not counting the harddrives and RAID controllers laying around everywhere.

sounds like a really good setting for a cyberpunk novella. get cracking. you know you've got the writing chops, right? at least from what i've read of your campaign and stuff.

PC fans have nice DC motors. Mice got sensors. DVD/CD Drives got Stepper motors (and DC motors) as printers do.

@GhostToast Hey I remember you posting that previously! I dig it quite a bit - might endeavor to do something similar myself

You could even build something like a CNC machine, laser cutter, robots...

@kaiser right???? I would love to build a CNC machine

build a booby trap first so nobody steals your junk

@boscho YouTube has thousands of tutorials...

@GhostToast I'll set it up to shoot intruders in the eye with a CD-drive laser

ie6? come on. nobody fucking cares.

How is ancient PHP any different from ancient browsers, except potentially larger security concerns?

Naw, I think the difference between ancient browsers and ancient PHP is holding back efficient design vs. holding back efficient development.

fantastically well put

Is it weird to retweet my own words from someone else's mouth? XD

Doing it anyway.

that will teach you to tweet first, post in chat second :)

Wax on... Wax off... Wax on... Wax off. I'm Learning! :D

@boscho build that..

How, in 2014, a developer can say that php 5.2 doesn't hold him back? Is not question of "age", but no namespaces, no closures, no spl... really?

the message is - the only thing your CMS needs to be is popular

your CMS is popular and your developer is frustrated

are iterators part of SPL?

@Rarst and what kind of message is this to send to our adolescent CMS?

or is it just something WP Core forgot?

adolescent CMS' aren't written by WordPress developers unless they know better

or corporates who know nothing of WP or PHP

actually by now there are quite a few CMSes from WP developers :)

@TomJNowell the first it1.php.net/manual/en/spl.iterators.php

@Rarst static site generators dont count

Habari, Ghost :)

Pico and Orbiter aren't statics, although they are close to

I wouldn't mention Seam since I refuse to call it CMS :)

@kaiser that little dude is ballin!

@G.M. no SPL isn't true. PHP 5.2. got the SPL built in. But hosters are able to turn it off.

@boscho yep :)

but you can't rely on spl in core if you support 5.2 @kaiser

You can. The chances that someone turned off SPL are below 0.1%

And in that case, simply say: Sorry, go ask hoster.

in my opinion, "Sorry, go ask hoster" is a praticable politics also for php version

the point is that supporting 5.2 nowadays is simply wrong

@kaiser Now if I can air-drop him in with a quad-copter I'll start to produce an army capable of overthrowing house-cats...

@G.M. I don't think it's wrong, but I do think rhetoric supporting it is nearsighted and development supporting it has adverse long term impact on code base

It is just like a software house still support windows 98

WP is only major CMS whose code complexity metrics keep climbing up

indefinite rise in code complexity is not sustainable

> indefinite rise in code complexity is not sustainable

absolutely agree

@G.M. As I said: The chances that it's turned off are close to zero. One could turn off cURL or other extensions as well, but no one would care to build in fallbacks. At least not if you aren't WP core who has an ancient fallback even for that. Btw, DOM can be turned off as well (iirc) :P

When using pre_get_posts on only 1 category - this should work right? $query->is_category(5) of can you not pass ints to is_category in this state?

@Howdy_McGee should work

@kaiser I don't care :P because I will never again write code that supports 5.3, my minimum requirement is 5.4 at the moment

nice

I need to move to 5.4 requirement / 5.5 environment, notch lower on both

if(date('U') < 1577836800) die('Backwards compatibility is so over-rated!');

^ user provided additional details or edit to the original question in answer. Is flagging appropriate in such a situation?

Nevermind, he just edited his answer to remove the entire content body and replaced it with a spelling correction.

But my question stands

...and now deleted the answer after accepting it, then rewards the bounty to a different answer. O.o

Ignore me, I'm moving on.

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