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07:58
@DanielGoldman "Wartime (including a declared war) or peacetime acts of violence committed by a nation state against another nation state regardless of legality or illegality that are carried out by properly uniformed forces or legal combatants of such nation states." Taken from the Wikipedia definition you used as your source.
Curious about your thoughts on the "regardless of legality or illegality" part, as this would kill off the argument about USA not having legally declared war since WWII, especially since your other source (GlobalResearch) refers to deaths during what they apparently
 
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12:37
@JakobPampBengtsson, the requirement that you use is actually from a second set of bullet points which is not part of the description used by Matusitz.

Additionally, that would mean that you accept ISIS et al. as nation states and therefore must recognize that ITS actions are not acts of terror. It also means that any and all acts of killing taken by a government's military is immune from being called terrorism. US soldiers could go around raping and murdering civilians and it wouldn't be terrorism. Sorry; I call bull shit on definitions that automatically make governments immune from bein
Process this: The President could literally order the nuking of a city, without provocation or just cause, and the act would not be considered an act of terror. Are you okay with that?
13:27
@DanielGoldman I'm not here to engage in your opinion or my opinion about how morally justified action A is based on who perpetrates it, though if we're going to tread that ground I don't see an evil act as more or less evil based on what you label it as, so the argument that it should be called terrorism because it's evil doesn't really hold any ground to me. It can be equally or more evil regardless. Your emotional response to it is irrelevant.
There is nothing emotional about my response. I pointed out that you're taking from a different section of Wikipedia which voices the position of someone other than the person I am citing. I am also making sure that you accept your own definition.

Yes or no, if the President had the military nuke a city, without provocation, would that be a terrorist attack?
You calling "bullshit" on something is also irrelevant in this context; We provide definitions from reputable sources, not from our own emotions and opinions.

I also do not need to consider ISIS a nation state. There is no reason why that would follow what I have written or referred to.

So to respond to what I'm supposed to process; am I okay with it not being considered an act of terror? Irrelevant. This isn't about my opinion on the matter, it's about definitions at hand.
13:54
I cited a source: Matusitz. And if you do not consider ISIS a nation state, then your point is again invalid. You said that it's not terrorism if it's against a nation state: you cited a definition which required the acts to be "committed by a nation state against another nation state."

And the answer to my question is relevant because it indicates a conflict in your acceptance of your definition. Your definition makes the scenario that I mentioned something other than an act of terror. So for the last time, if the President nuked a city without provocation, would it be an act of terror?
14:21
"And the answer to my question is relevant because it indicates a conflict in your acceptance of your definition."
No, you're just deflecting. I'm not presenting a position of my own. I'm challenging your position. You answered the SE question, hence you're the one required to defend your answer. Trying to pin a position on me and claiming I'm wrong about my supposed to position has nothing to do with the validity of your position. If you're going to keep doing that this discussion is already over.
14:34
"No, you're just deflecting."

I'm really not. In my answer, which I have spent considerable time updating in response to these conversations, I have defended my definition. You presented an alternative definition and you now have to justify it.

"I maintain that your argument that I had to accept ISIS as a nation state is untrue."

Except that if ISIS is not a nation state then your exclusion criterion is not useful.
Well, at least you and Dan have something in common. You're cowards who run from questions.
 
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16:53
No. When you provide work, it's your obligation to defend its validity. I haven't provided an answer, I have questioned yours. I do not need to provide an answer. I do not need to provide an opinion. Those things are completely irrelevant to whether or not your argument holds.

Instead of reading this as an attack on you, understand that this is a critique. Spending time questioning me instead of clearing up criticism about your work is deflection. I've not stated anything about how horrible wars are or how justified they are. I do not claim that your conclusion is automatically wrong. I'm
 
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17:59
I provided argument. I provided a definition. I responded to your questions about the validity the definition. Contrary to what you seem to think, you cannot back someone against a wall just because they make a claim. Once they justify the claim, as I have done, burden of proof switches to you.

> As I already clarified, you're using numbers from the Korea War and the Vietnam War in your numbers.

Want me to adjust just for US caused casualties in the war on terror? I can, but again you have to accept that by your criteria, the US military nuking a city without provocation is not an act of
I do not accept that the US military nuking a city without provocation is anything other than a terrorist attack, and I don't think you accept that either, which explains why you're too afraid to answer the damn question.
18:34
"Contrary to what you seem to think, you cannot back someone against a wall just because they make a claim."
I'm not backing anyone up against a wall. I'm questioning your argument, not you as a person.

"Once they justify the claim, as I have done"
I have repeatedly asked you to justify why you:
1) Chose Matusitz as an authority over others
2) Only partially used what we can see from his book

Did you use any information by him other than Wikipedia and the free pages from the book on Google Books? Instead of answering this, which I don't see the point in not answering as you should have a

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