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10:03
@BloodGain actually leading by example right now which is improving the situation. There was no documentation, so I am writing documentation, developers can see and are now seeing the value of it. I don't think I am always right, but I am not always wrong either. Seems to be a bit of a bias towards devs in this chat.
 
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19:14
I think that was more of a reaction to your original assumptions and responses here. Moreover, remember that we can't change anything on the other end, just give you advice on how to address it, which it seemed like you were rejecting almost entirely. We were trying to help you see their side of it, this new PM who's been there a month throwing his weight around, hired by management they already think despises them.
I think you've made a good choice there. I'm glad you're bringing them around to seeing value in the process. I hope you're able to help them to help you turn that place around.
@bobo2000 And to be fair, there is a developer bias on almost any related Stackexchange. And we've all been in the same place as those developers with new PMs brought in by bad managers to be either a bully or their scapegoat. Since it's unlikely a tech lead isn't capable and a whole team of developers is just unmanageable, we went with those assumptions. All we had to go on was your version of things, after all. We had to make some assumptions.

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