Axtell

On the one hand, I finally have a reason to learn SQL, which I've kinda wanted to do for a while. On the other hand, I have no idea how database construction happens.

Ah well, I'll figure something out

Anonymous

Protip: use MySQL Workbench. It makes everything so much easier.

Anonymous

It's the equivalent of using a WYSIWYG design tool instead of writing raw HTML/CSS

Pavel

3:52 AM

@Mego Writing the raw HTML is half the fun though :P

Anonymous

You have an odd definition of fun

Pavel

@Mego Can you tell I've never fully designed a website before?

Anonymous

4:07 AM

@Pavel Same :P

Pavel

@Mego Huh. I'd gotten the impression you've worked with Flask before.

Ah well. Learning things is fun.

Anonymous

I have worked with Flask. I'm just terrible at design

Pavel

Ah.

What I meant was that I've never worked with any part of the website stack process.

It's really intresting, but there's all the things to do and learn.

Anonymous

It's not terrible. Working with a decent backend library like Flask makes things nice and simple

Anonymous

Trying to work with PHP is hell, so LAMP is not my choice of stack

Pavel

4:15 AM

I looked up how to make a RESTful API with Flask, it's so easy. The decorator just needs a methods=["GET"] or methods=["POST"] parameter.

Anonymous

Yep, it's awesome

Pavel

I don't actually know what RESTful means, except that it's the kind of API you're supposed to have because it's good.

Although I have worked with them before.

Anonymous

RESTful mostly means that you allow HTTP content interaction through meaningful URLs

Anonymous

There's other stuff that's important but you let the frameworks take care of that for you

Pavel

Me and my friends are making a multiplayer game for a programming competition this year. I'm the only one who knows anything about networking, and yet at the same time I know nothing, so we're pretty concerned about how it's going to go. I hope that by working on PPCGv2 I cn figure some stuff out.

Anonymous

4:22 AM

Anonymous

Small victories

Pavel

ಠ/10 commit message btw

Anonymous

You mean the post content?

Pavel

No I mean the git commit message

You used the same one twice

Anonymous

Oh yeah, PyCharm was fighting me

Pavel

4:25 AM

I never use the version control built into text editors

I just pull up the command line

Anonymous

I like PyCharm's VCS interface because it has a checkmark for "reformat code", which fixes PEP8 violations

Pavel

I just obsesively fix PEP8 violations while I code

Anonymous

Ain't nobody got time for that

Pavel

I really don't like PEP8, but I dislike the little warning indicator in the corner more.

Anonymous

PEP8 is beneficial for larger projects because there's one ultimate coding standard

Anonymous

4:28 AM

There's no need for debate about coding standards because PEP8 was created by our lord and savior GvR

Anonymous

And the only time GvR has led us astray was when he said he didn't want functional programming in Python

Pavel

I don't feel there's a reason to have two blank lines after every method, especially if the method is one line long and next to a bunch of other related methods.

(Do I call them methods or functions in Python)

Anonymous

Functions

Anonymous

Methods are specifically functions attached to objects

Pavel

Got it

Anonymous

4:31 AM

So random.randint is a method, but print is a function

Pavel

Isn't random a namespace

Or module I guess

Anonymous

However, people use them interchangeably because the distinction is pointless

Anonymous

Err, yeah

Anonymous

I guess a better example would be f.read (where f is a file-like object)

Pavel

I feel like evereyone should just call them functions for consistency, but I use method a lot subconciously because C#.

Anonymous

4:32 AM

But also because of the magic of Python, random is an object (of type module)

Pavel

Honestly not sure how to feel about that

Huh

I suppose that's technically useful since it lets you do namespace aliases easily, but really import foo as bar is plenty good already.

Can't think of any other use case

Anonymous

@Downgoat That isn't the greatest idea. We'd have to attribute every single post, which would look messy. I'm of the opinion that we should only allow crossposting from PPCG.SE to v2 if the original author copies it.

Anonymous

Copying over code that others have written is only marginally simpler, due to code being licensed under MIT (whereas all other user contributions are licensed under CC-BY-SA).

Pavel

Well attribution is easy, just link to the SE profile of OP along with a note.

PPCGv2 is MIT, so the SA part is fulfilled

Conor O'Brien

4:50 AM

@Mego How do you plan on minimizing the voting culture present on current PPCG? What is this site going to do to discourage mindless "+1 the top answer"-style voting?

Anonymous

@ConorO'Brien That is a problem for far in the future. I'm sure we'll have a ton of discussions about it as the site progresses.

Conor O'Brien

that's fair

Anonymous

Right now I'm mainly concerned with the technical aspects

Conor O'Brien

I'm excited for this project! If you need assistance, I'll be happy to provide all that I can between school work

Anonymous

Haha yeah I have so many projects going on that I'm not sure how quickly I'll be able to make progress

Anonymous

4:56 AM

The biggest thing that I'll need for this project is frontend designers

Anonymous

Because that's something I don't have the skills for

Pavel

@Mego We could ask Downgoat

Conor O'Brien

I'm not too shabby at that myself

I made this in about 30 minutes

Anonymous

Not terrible

Pavel

Especially for 30 minutes of work

Mr. Xcoder

5:40 AM

I don’t think I am terrible at frontend either, I can help too. For reference I made this in about two days (the actual work was ~1 hour and a half), and I can improve it a lot (I am aware that the gradient is quite awful, and that I need to fix the borders and so but Cthulhu is not a thing anymore so I abandoned the project)

Downgoat

6:02 AM

did someone say frontend

Pavel

6:18 AM

@Downgoat very much so, someone has too redesign ppcg from scratch

betseg

10:45 AM

Hey wat dis

Mr. Xcoder

12:42 PM

@betseg A new site similar but much better than our current PPCG.

Socratic Phoenix

1:02 PM

@Mr.Xcoder Are we abandoning stackexchange?

Mr. Xcoder

@SocraticPhoenix At least we are trying to.

Socratic Phoenix

@Mr.Xcoder Plotting betrayal in their chat rooms? I smell treason :)

Mr. Xcoder

we want a better place for golfing

Socratic Phoenix

makes sense

Something that automatically links answers to TIO...

What if you end up just splitting the community? I doubt everyone will move to a new system...

Mr. Xcoder

if possible, some languages are not on TiO. Not to mention we don't have leaderboards, design, we have Q&A written everywhere and have to use userscripts too much.

Erik the Outgolfer

1:07 PM

lol you make it sound like some sort of civil war

Mr. Xcoder

@SocraticPhoenix Who wants to golf in a better place will come, and the other ones will stay. I think I am going to be active in both places nonetheless.

Socratic Phoenix

@Mr.Xcoder Makes sense

Anonymous

1:23 PM

@Mr.Xcoder That's how I see it, too. I didn't start this out of malice towards SE or anything - I just think that we could build a better place for PPCG than what SE can provide

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Anonymous

And I'm not going to try to convert people over, either

Mr. Xcoder

I completely agree.

@Mego Yeah maybe just post a comment in The Nineteenth Byte (when it's done) to let people know of its existence, but I don't think advertising it on SE would be appropriate either.

Anonymous

So here's a hitch: We can't call it anything relating to PPCG, because that's a trademark owned by SE

Socratic Phoenix

@Mego Coding Difficulties and Programming Shortening?

Anonymous

The name is the least important aspect right now IMO. It's just something to keep in mind.

Erik the Outgolfer

1:33 PM

um I don't think that we would want to call our site anything "difficulties" ;p

Socratic Phoenix

@EriktheOutgolfer Tried to think of synonym for "Puzzles..." failed...

Anonymous

I'd rather the name be something like competitive programming

Anonymous

Because competitive programming is a better description of what PPCG is about

Anonymous

2:15 PM

Let's see if this works...

Feeds

Mego has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Anonymous

2:25 PM

Oof

Anonymous

Looks like GitHub commit feeds still don't work

Feeds

Mego has stopped a feed from being posted into this room

Anonymous

→ 5 messages moved to Trash

Anonymous

2:52 PM

Btw if anyone wants to take a crack at setting up some very rudimentary implementations of the rest of the endpoints (/post, /post/<id>/answer, /post/<post_id>/answer/<answer_id>, /post/<id>/vote, post/<post_id>/answer/<answer_id>/vote /user/<id>, /login), go for it

Anonymous

Endpoints that end with a parameter are GET, otherwise POST

Anonymous

Also a few more future things to add: collaborative answers (rep sharing), bounties (including challenge bounties, indefinite bounties, and shared bounties)

Anonymous

Also rep will have to be designed to avoid double-dipping - rep from PPCG.SE should transfer, but rep gained on crossposted posts should only come from the source side (so v2->SE posts only gain rep on v2 from the v2 post, and SE->v2 posts only gain rep on v2 from the SE side)

Pavel

3:54 PM

@Mego that or they're just slow AF, like the rest of the feeds

Poke

4:13 PM

so what is this for

an experiment in moving this site off of se?

Pavel

4:41 PM

@Poke yes, exactly

Help wanted

Poke

6:21 PM

@Pavel what technologies are being employed

Pavel

6:55 PM

@Poke Linux/MySql/Flask/Python

But we need frontend design also

betseg

7:31 PM

i can vertically and horizontally center a div inside a div

Pavel

@Mego can we get an example config.py in?

@betseg Brilliant, you're hired.

betseg

jokes aside, can i join

caird coinheringaahing

@Mego How will collaborative rep sharing work? 1 rep to each of the posters per upvote?

Pavel

@betseg It's open source, so absolutely. Although currently there are a few things missing (config.py) which is needed for it to work. I think that config.py configures the SQL database, which includes a password that understandably Mego doesn't want to put on GitHub, but an example_config.py would be nice.

betseg

or like

public key encryption so only we can see the actual config.py

20 config.pys for everyone's own key

Pavel

7:41 PM

@betseg Who do you mean by "we"? Contributing to the project doesn't make one an administrator of the project.

betseg

i mean, as in those who should be able to see it

but it was a joke :/

Pavel

7:52 PM

@Mego are we allowed to put in # noinspection comments to suppress PyCharm warnings, or would you prefer we don't do that?

I'm specifically looking at def get_post(post_id, post_title=None):, the parameter post_title is unused.

Poke

9:51 PM

@Pavel i am familiar with all of these and am interested in helping though i'm not sure how much i'll actually end up contributing

because of other things like my jerb

Anonymous

11:35 PM

@Pavel It's not really important. All it stores is DB connection info.

Anonymous

@Pavel Sure

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's a future problem to solve

Anonymous

@Pavel No, it's just straight up broken. It didn't read the time stamps correctly.

Pavel

@Mego Well I need to put something there now that I've configured MySQL, or it won't work, and I'd rather not try to guess what it's doing so there isn't weird behaviour later.

Anonymous

@Pavel It's literally just a dict with connection params

Pavel

11:37 PM

I don't know what all the correct params are tho ;-;

caird coinheringaahing

Also, I feel as though collaborative questions should be a thing. If you both created and developed the idea, you should be able to share the reward.

Pavel

@Mego Could you just paste your config.py in here with the sensitive info stripped

Anonymous

@Pavel A quick gander at the MySQL connector/Python docs will tell you that's it's a username, password, host, and default schema. It only matters for hosting the DB.

Pavel

11:52 PM

@Mego Well, I have to host a DB for testing purposes.

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