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04:56
A friend of mine has just started to read Brown and would like to join this chat. Any objections?
The more the merrier
Woohoo
 
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07:03
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Hi all!
@Puerosola Welcome, now you'll need to read the above, in theory :P.
Ah, that's just my fumbling over homological algebra plus some discussion of intuition and whatnot
07:56
"The most important homology theory in algebraic topology [...] is called singular homology" - Hatcher.

Seems legit?
What about cellular?
 
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10:31
Welcome @Puerosola!
Sorry I haven't been able to get into Brown yet. I'm rather ill.
Hopefully soon I'll catch up with y'all.
@Narcissus Cellular is a tool to compute singular homology rather than an entirely new homology theory
But it's construction is rather curious. It's a "first order" approximation to a certain spectral sequence. I can try to elaborate if you're interested
 
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12:22
@BalarkaSen I would love to hear it.
@BalarkaSen Get well soon.
 
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17:49
@BalarkaSen Are you around atm
@Narcissus Yup
I am procrastinating on pages of horrid analysis I am supposed to read
@BalarkaSen Are you saying that there is some construction of the 'tool' cellular cohomlogy by means of the hypercohomology of some (single complex from a) double complex or something?
Ah, no, it comes from trying to compute cohomology of a filtration. Let me explain
So you know singular homology, right?
I covered it in a course a year ago, hopefully I can follow
Alright, cool.
So say $X$ is a CW-complex. That means $X$ is a space obtained inductively as follows: you start with a bunch of points, which is the 0-skeleton, denoted as $X^0$. Then glue to it intervals, or 1-disks by maps $D^1_\alpha \to X^0$, to form the 1-skeleton $X^1$. Then glue to it 2-disks by maps $D^2_\beta \to X^1$, and so on.
17:56
Yep
This gives a filtration $X^0 \subseteq X^1 \subseteq X^2 \subseteq \cdots \subseteq X^n \subseteq X^{n+1} \subseteq \cdots$ of $X$.
So, what you ask is the following. Can you somehow compute the homology of $X$ just out of this filtration/CW-structure? In singular homology, you look at the chain complex $C_\bullet(X)$ whose chains groups are free abelian groups generated by maps from $\bullet$-simplices to $X$.
The drawback is that the chain groups are massive; it's impractical to compute anything from the singular chain complex.
There is a more concrete version of this in simplicial homology, however. If $X$ is a simplicial complex, you look at the chain complex $\Delta_\bullet(X)$ whose chain groups are free abelian groups generated by the literal $\bullet$-simplices of $X$.
You can easily compute the homology group of eg the sphere using this simplicial chain complex; give it a small simplicial structure (of a tetrahedron, say), and just write down the chain complex and the boundary maps
The idea of cellular homology is to do something similar. Instead of using the big ass singular chain complex, use a chain complex whose chain groups are free abelian groups on the $\bullet$-cells of $X$
Now, you can do this by hand, but the big theorem would then be to prove that this "cellular homology" is isomorphic to the singular homology groups $H_\bullet(X)$
Just before I get confused, what are you specifically meaning by $\bullet$-simplicies and $\bullet$-cells?
Ah, I'm using $\bullet$ as empty slot. I should write $k$-simplices and $k$-cells instead.
But I'm pretentious :P
18:05
Okay, good, just making sure haha
Very fancy
So, here's a fresh wind of inspiration
Consider the singular homology groups $H_n(X^n, X^{n-1})$
$X^{n-1}$ is a subcomplex of $X^n$, so this is isomorphic to $H_n(X^n/X^{n-1})$. But what is $X^n/X^{n-1}$?
$\sqcup_\alpha D_\alpha^n$ or boundaries removed or something?
Ah, close.
Let's try an example. Consider the torus, with CW structure given by attaching two 1-disks to a point, and then attaching a 2-disk to the wedge of two circles obtained from that by sending the boundary of the disk to aba^-1b^-1
What is $X^2/X^1$ of this dude?
Give me a min, this might take my fatigued brain a bit
For sure
@Narcissusjewel Shall I explain the picture a bit more?
18:21
For the example/exercise or the main exposition?
The example :)
I think I'll struggle for a few more min perhaps haha
Haha good
18:44
:sweat:
@Narcissusjewel Do you see the 1-skeleton of that CW structure on the torus inside of the torus?
Actually let me spill the beans. It's a meridian + longitude, right?
Yep, the two circles
Yep
Right, great
Yeah, the picture was okay, but I can't see how it geometrically contracts
Ahh
So first contract the meridian.
What do you get?
18:49
A pinched torus is the name google gives me, assuming my mental image is right
That's right
So I obtain a sphere contracting the other $1$-cell?
That's right!
One way to do this is to pinch the 1-skeleton before attaching the 2-cells
Pinching the 1-skeleton gives a point
So you're just attaching the 2-cell to a point
Sphere!
18:53
Yep, that's much more clear!
What is $X^n/X^{n-1}$, using this logic?
$n$-cells whose boundary is glued at a point
A bunch of $n$-cells attaching to a single point, yes
Also known as a wedge of $n$-spheres.
18:54
Sure
Also, ages back, when you said that was a filtration, were we obtaining a property via that filtration, or was it just a set theoretic filtration?
Ah no it's a topological filtration
It's consistent with the successive topologies
In fact $X$ is the direct limit (in Top) of that filtration
Ahh, I thought one distinguished filtrations and filters
$\mathsf{Top}$? What are the morphisms?
@Narcissusjewel So, $H_n(X^n, X^{n-1})$ is the $n$-th homology of a wedge of $n$-spheres. What's that?
@Narcissusjewel The inclusion maps :)
@BalarkaSen $\mathsf{Top}(X)$?
Am I baked hahaha
Uh, no, $\mathbf{Top}$ means the category of topological spaces
The morphisms are continuous functions
19:02
Right, gotcha
$\Bbb Z^m$ where $m$ is the number of spheres?
I did it fam
You damn well did
But notice that $m$ is actually the number of $n$-cells in $X$
19:07
It is indeed
So $H_n(X^n, X^{n-1})$ is the free abelian group on the $n$-cells of $X$
It is the cellular chain group!!!!!
:O
Holy crap
That came out of nowhere
Right???
That's awesome af
Now, I want to build a chain complex out of these. What are the boundary maps $d_n : H_n(X^n, X^{n-1}) \to H_{n-1}(X^{n-1}, X^{n-2})$, is the next question, of course
19:10
(Reminder for future me: So relative singular homology $H_n(X^n,X^{n-1})\cong H_n(X^n/X^{n-1})\cong \Bbb Z^{m_n}\cong \{e^n_{\alpha_1},\dots,e^n_{\alpha_m}\}$ )
It's actually pretty simple. There's the snake map $\partial : H_n(X^n, X^{n-1}) \to H_{n-1}(X^{n-1})$ coming from the long exact sequence of $(X^n, X^{n-1})$. There's also the map $j_* : H_{n-1}(X^{n-1}) \to H_{n-1}(X^{n-1}, X^{n-2})$ coming from the long exact sequence of $(X^{n-1}, X^{n-2})$. Define $d_n : = j_* \circ \partial$
At least, that's what it algebraically looks like
You can check that $d^2 = 0$ holds no biggie. It's a commutative diagram argument y'all algebraists love and adore
@BalarkaSen I don't disagree
But the bottom line is, you have this chain complex $$\cdots \to H_{n+1}(X^{n+1}, X^n) \to H_n(X^n, X^{n-1}) \to H_{n-1}(X^{n-1}, X^{n-2}) \to \cdots$$
You take homology of this chain complex to get the cellular homology $H^{CW}_\bullet(X)$ of $X$
What always fascinated me about this is that it's taking "homology of homology" in some sense. Indeed, what you can do is take "homology of homology of homologies ..." to get pages of successive homology groups arranged in a chain complex obtained from computing homology of a chain complex of homology groups in the previous page
And that giant book of informations is known as the spectral sequence of a filtration
Cellular homology is the first page of that spectral sequence
Are the other pages significant to me?
You algberaists meddle with spectral sequences all the time. But I think it's not that important for this particular filtration
19:20
Do you know what the second page is?
Well, in this case it just gives an isomorphic theory :)
All the pages are isomorphic to the singular homology theory
Interesting my dude, thank you :D.
@Narcissusjewel Better to say, the "third page". First page is just full of LES's of the singular homologies, second page is homology of that, so full of LES's of cellular homologies, and so on
But yeah, all the pages give isomorphic homology theories
It's just that the second page, $E^2$, is extremely helpful in computation
Because cell structures are so abundant
That was interesting typo
Hahaha that it was
I wanted to read this at one point
I proceeded a little while blackboxing the Serre spectral sequences (which somehow gives a way to compute homology of a space $E$ when it's sandwiched between a fibration $F \to E \to B$, given homology of $F$ and $B$)
But I don't understand the essence of the theory. It feels more magical
19:33
We did a crash course on spectral sequences in my étale cohomology class
it's basically what you did for CW-complexes: just glueing together lots of long exact sequences

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