Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Hakase

00:00

I've used ram-bootable OS editions before and it seems like they load the entirety of the OS files it'll use into ram and you can just take out the usb and it'll live for as long at the pc is powered, so I'm wondering if you can do that sort of thing but for daily usage, and without having to worry about data loss

so I'm guessing you don't care much about ssd performance differences between top models

Mysticial

@Hakase I don't notice it unless I'm actually doing that 30GB copy into ram drive that I mentioned earlier. Then the difference between SATA3 SSD and NVMe is obvious.

Hakase

ddr2 ram mang

Mysticial

That's actually not too bad. lol

I have 2 of these 128GB machines. One with a 960 EVO (SATA3) and the other a WD Black (NVMe). Both of them are my main machines.

Hakase

how can the 4k q32 write to ram drive be slower than to ssd?

Mysticial

I presume the quality of the ram drive software matters.

Hakase

00:05

what are you using

Mysticial

On my benchmark, it says about 10 GB/s. But the actual memory bandwidth of the system is upwards of 70 GB/s.

I'm using SoftPerfect RAM Disk.

If the ram disk was perfectly efficient, I'd expect around half of the 70 GB/s since it would need to copy to/from memory. So the bandwidth is consumed twice.

Hakase

(just got another gpu driver crash wtf is going on today)

hmm I wonder if my cpu is a limiting factor for these tests

ok I'm switching my main ram drive software

Mysticial

haha

Hakase

gist.github.com/jeremybeavon/88e1102b001fef31daf10457a525e76c this says imdisk is second to worst (at least 2 years ago)

I'm seeing 8gb sticks of ram @3466mhz (HX434C19FW2/8) and there are also some mad 4600mhz sticks CMK16GX4M2F4600C19 but the price is equally mad

what maximum ram could I use daily with 8400?

Mysticial

4 x 16GB

Hakase

00:20

I mean speed-wise

or does it not matter for pleb use cases

Mysticial

I'm not sure since I don't have any LGA1151 systems. But I'd probably guess anything above 4000 MT/s is gonna be hit-and-miss in terms of stability.

Hakase

I don't see anything affordable beyond that 3466 stick anyways :p

I'm just wondering if the difference between say 3466 and 4000 is significant and worth overpaying a little

(beyond 4000 it's not a little anymore)

Mysticial

@Hakase Very unlikely outside of benchmarks. For my stuff, I need Skylake X with AVX512 to actually saturate memory bandwidth enough to where something like 3200 vs 3800 matters. (the latter of which was never stable)

Hakase

oh

Mysticial

You're better off getting the 3200 cl14 kits.

Hakase

00:24

does the latency matter in home use cases?

Mysticial

more than bandwidth

Taisho

Hakase

I can see only BLE2C8G4D32BEEAK with cl15 at 3200mhz in one store

cl14 are 2400mhz and slower

any nice to have features on the mobo I should know about?

othewise I'll just pick some z370 board to fit 8400 and dat samsung 960/970 m.2 ssd

Mysticial

The 8400 isn't overclockable right?

So you won't need the mobos with the larger VRMs.

Do you care about RGB?

Hakase

I don't like rgb I already have a usb rgb ambilight thing around my monitor and any other lighting messes it up

Mysticial

00:32

Most of the mobos with the same chipset are roughly the same. The main differences are:
- VRMs and VRM cooling capability
- RGB lighting
- M.2 slots
- BIOS OC options

Hakase

ok so look out for better VRM and obviously m.2

Mysticial

@Hakase If you can't overclock, the VRMs aren't going to matter too much.

Hakase

I guess they solved the IO noise in realtek audio in these last 10 years :p

so I picked this random-ass selection just to fit the main models and the estimated power usage is 200 watts

Memor-X

don't forget to wish your mother a happy Mother's Day today. if you haven't, get off chat and do it already!

Hakase

it's 3:40 I'm not sure she'll appreciate it atm

also f me it's 3:40 :I

Mysticial

00:41

@Hakase The 1030 seems out of place. If you're seriously gonna go with that, make sure it's actually better than the integrated graphics.

I believe that CPU comes with a cooler. And if you can't overclock, there isn't much to gain with another cooler.

Hakase

@Mysticial it is gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/…

Mysticial

oh ok

Hakase

… said I, and as I clicked on that link, my gpu driver crashed again

it's like it knows when I'm looking it up

but for reals it seems like firefox is fucking up its rendering stuff in the latest nightly

Mysticial

Do you have one of those fake Chinese GPUs that flash a BIOS from a higher model on a lower model and sell it as the higher model?

Hakase

me personally, no I don't :p

also I don't think there's any lower card that looks like a 1030 which you could "upgrade" like that

the aluminium in its radiator alone would probably make it not worth the operation

Mysticial

00:45

Do you have already have the 1030?

Hakase

yea

Mysticial

ah...

Hakase

I had 9800gt before but it doesn't have dx11 and I really wanted to play dark souls 3

I wasn't sure it was gonna work at all

everything else is from 2009

ram is from 2010 iirc

here's a fun screenshot

I bought a tablet for reading manga

thought it's gonna be on constant charge like on an iv drip

nope

charge it once a month I guess

the "battery saving mode" is fucking lying btw

this is all in normal mode

Gao

03:09

wtf, win10 update nuked all dlls i've installed in system32 and corrupted my programs

Mysticial

Yeah, that's why I block updates.

They also wipe all your start menu stuff.

Basically what it does is create a completely new Windows folder and renames the old one.

So you're basically getting a new OS.

Gao

03:29

......

Taisho

Gao

This is Winsanity

Mysticial

03:53

I basically sandbox everything before I try it. This includes Windows updates, compiler updates, other new software.

Because everything is ridiculous.

Gao

might as well run it in vm

Memor-X

04:45

@Gao you upgrade to 10 did you?

Mysticial

Oh hey chat is back.

In my sandbox machine, each of the 4 drives have their OS(s) installed. So I can basically test anything I want on it. As long as it's not a virus that affects the firmware or BIOS, nothing escapes each environment and everything can be easily wiped.

Sakamoto

05:23

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Q: What song is playing in episode 22 (s2ep10) of Tokyo Ghoul?

It's playing between 6:36 and 7:46. I've heard it multiple times in TG itself but couldn't find it on soundtrack, and many times elsewhere. I have a feeling it's somewhat popular

Gao

@Memor-X It came preinstalled on my work laptop. I just installed a major update last Friday.

Would be interested to learn your setup

Memor-X

@Gao hmmmmm, i had an update last week and i didn't have anything reset or that and the only time that happened when during the Windows 8 -> 10 upgrade

@Gao setup like how?

Gao

@Memor-X It removed HashCheck's context menu.

Setting up multiple sandboxed OSes for testing. I only know VMWare.

I'm probably doing this wrong, but I'd create and verify sha-512 checksums to make sure my backups haven't bit-rotted.

I've looked into MultiPar and ICE ECC but they're too slow.

Mysticial

06:12

@Gao I've tried using VMs in the past, but they were messy to setup and weren't close enough to native to be usable for my purposes.

Part of that is because I'm a terrible sysadmin and I have very little experience with VMs. In the end, it's easier for me to just put the different sandboxes on different physical drives.

Gao

06:31

So you use something like Hyper-V or just multi-boot?

Mysticial

All native. 4 hard drives mounted into 3 x 5.25 drive bays. Each with their own power button. So I can boot up the machine with any combination of hard drives turned on. In practice, I never turn on more than one drive at a time. So it'll boot into whichever drive I choose.

That's not the only sandbox I have. One my Skylake X machines has two SSDs which are unplugged. If I need to test something, I'll unplug the two main drives and plug in one of the SSDs. Since they're SSDs, reinstalling an OS is very fast.

But I need to open up the back to do this. So it's less convenient. So I only sandbox on the Skylake X box if I need to actually test something that can only be done on Skylake X. Or if it requires more than 32GB of memory.

Gao

06:49

Wow, this totally kicks ass.

Damn, laptops are inconvenient.

Mysticial

Yeah, I can't survive on just a laptop.

Toshinou Kyouko

08:09

Mornin'

Sakamoto

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Q: Identification of an old anime "Eyes on forearm"

More than 14 years ago, I use to watch some old anime on TV but I can't remember the name. Basically it was "like" Saint Seya, where the team of heroes would wear or more like transform into robots / armored fighter. There were quite around a dozen characters each with a specific transformation,...

saint-seiya

Memor-X