Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

17:00

@MadaraUchiha yeah in epi 6 or Railgun S she fires it from rest... I wanted to believe, Railgun. I wanted to believe that you might know what you were talking about... instead, it turns out you're just using science based powers to do awesome things without actually doing any research... what a shock

Madara Uchiha

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Oh there are a lot of scientific inaccuracies in index/railgun*

Taisho

Madara Uchiha

Accelerator punched Awaki in the face, sent her flying through the street at at least 200kmph smashed her against a building, then she fell at least 30m to the ground, and all she got was a nodebleed.

She should have become splatter

nhahtdh

^That's really a lolwut

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

Madara Uchiha

17:03

Also, I don't know why every anime thinks that, but if you're hit with a fireball, you don't get thrown back through the air.

You get burned. Badly.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ are you @Taisho pretending to be @ʞɹɐzǝɹ?

Madara Uchiha

You can't "stop" a sword made of flames, even with a magic cancelling hand, so your hand wouldn't be burnt, but the base of the sword isn't tied to the "blade", it's just flames.

Hakase

@ton.yeung cool, cool, cool

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@MadaraUchiha what if the fire is magicked?

Madara Uchiha

17:05

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ The fire literally melted the metal doorknob (without touching it)

That takes at least 600 degrees (which is what I think they said the temperature of his fire was, or even higher)

Magic hand or not, the rest of his body should have melted the same was as that doorknob.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@MadaraUchiha magic hand nullifies the causality of magic fire

Madara Uchiha

@ton.yeung Thank you, even better.

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Magic hand doesn't affect rest of non-magic body.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@MadaraUchiha Fifth Magic~

Madara Uchiha

Also, you don't get to use the "it's magic" on Index, because in Index, magic is supposed to make sense.

They tried very hard in making magic with very strict rules. It's not Harry Potter kind of hocus pocus.

@ton.yeung But the fire melted the doorknob from several meters away

He should have been burned before his hand even touched it.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@JNat I don't get it.

JNat

17:09

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ You were just posting images, never mind

Madara Uchiha

@ton.yeung Sure, okay.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@JNat It doesn't make perfect sense.

Yuuki

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Isn't this the case for all light novels? And really almost all fiction? As far as I know, hard sci-fi is only a thing in the West.

JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ it does not, indeed

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@JNat Did you mean "!!lolis"?

Madara Uchiha

17:10

Before we continue, is there anyone here who talking about Index LN would be spoilerific?

JNat

@MadaraUchiha ME

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ not this time, no

Madara Uchiha

So we won't open things covered in the LN :P

@JNat Where are you in the LN?

Or are you a strict anime watcher?

JNat

thank you very much

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@JNat I'm not sure what that means.

JNat

@MadaraUchiha this, haven't picked LN yet

Madara Uchiha

17:11

@JNat You should. Anime ends right when it gets interesting

Hakase

@ton.yeung ahh shit

Yuuki

@MadaraUchiha Me, but I don't really care.

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Yuuki some are more grounded in reality

JNat

@MadaraUchiha Where do I need to pick it up from?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

or explicitly state how they change the rules

Hakase

17:13

@ton.yeung india ink??

Madara Uchiha

@JNat If you watched season two, I think you need to start from Volume 14

Please correct me if I'm wrong

JNat

@ton.yeung I've watched all the anime

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@MadaraUchiha Vol. 13/SS1

JNat

@ton.yeung I can read it in English

it's not a problem for me

@ton.yeung yes, of course

I read most of my books in English

Hakase

lol y u think non-native speakers can't read stuff in English

JNat

17:15

I have a CPE, btw

@ton.yeung I watch anime with English subs

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@JNat explain your acronyms

Hakase

I'm practically living in the English-speaking internet

JNat

it would be very troublesome if I had to stop every time the subs switch

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Certificate of Proficiency in English

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@JNat where can I get one of those?

JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ I don't think you need one of those

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

17:17

I need this is I want to teach English in Asia, it's a very in demand profession over there right now

Hakase

I stopped thinking about English words about seven years ago maybe

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@JNat but english is not my native language

JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ it is not?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@JNat no

Taisho

JNat

17:17

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ cambridgeenglish.org/exams/proficiency

That's where I got mine from

Hakase

@JNat which one of the many listed?

right you just said…

JNat

@Hakase That's the exam page, CPE

Hakase

is computer based an internet test or just that it's not on paper, but you still gotta go there in person

JNat

@Hakase that version IDK, I took mine in paper

Hakase

what's the admission price?

JNat

17:20

7 years ago

@Hakase dunno, ask my parents

lol

Hakase

lol nevermind

I guess it doesn't really matter

my neighbour is an English teacher and he's got students come to him all day round, and they often figure out what some word may mean out of context

like for example "cooker"

JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ what is your native language?

Hakase

I wouldn't want to become a teacher of anything, I think

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ is it krazish?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase I don't know what this is.

@JNat I don't have one that's all I know. I'm mediocre at all languages that I know baout

JNat

ok

Hakase

17:26

ok it's official − krazer is a chat bot with google translate built in

@ton.yeung do you have any idea why that happens? Do your strokes look sketchy to you or just to your sensei?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase I have heuristics built in as well.

Hakase

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ I figured, by the way you always test Taisho

@ton.yeung have you tried using it to your advantage? maybe use a special drawing style based on that

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

Hakase

you gotta do what you enjoy, not what others say you must do because some other people did it that way

I, for one, never do the things the way others do, because in my experience it usually ends up with a lot of fail and realization that it's just not a way that would work for me personally

rather than that, I usually come up with a way that suits me more easily

until recently I couldn't feel comfortable at drawing anything that isn't a scheme or a diagram, but I think I'm starting to understand what drawing method might be fine for me

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@ton.yeung Are you saying you're whitewashed?

Hakase

17:31

@ton.yeung I'd like to learn some about that

right, I know a few

I'll put it on my "things to learn" list

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase before you go out ang get one or two, tell us what they are and why you find them insightful

Taisho

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase I'll can acquaint you with the basics, the good, the bad, and the ugly

@ton.yeung you should tread carefully here, not all of it's good "science," some can be very subjective and baised

Hakase

I just test every new theory with my own vision of things

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@ton.yeung that's so cool. I was a digital media generalist

@Hakase after you test how do you apply them?

Hakase

17:37

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ it's not like I'm mister business, you know. I just like learning new stuff because I never know how or when I might need that knowledge.

most of all I like learning things that seem most interesting to me at the moment

like for example, I'm learning how to use Git right now because maybe it will help me develop my apps better in some ways

graphic design knowledge might help me improve my vision of GUI

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@ton.yeung :O your family had a magazine? that's pretty cool

@Hakase ah there are a few issues with how you phrases that sentence

@JNat My favorite anime is Bee and Puppycat! <3
and Korra!
and Avatar!
and I also really like Hatsune Miku too!

Hakase

also psych and stats is interesting to me, so I assumed that would be there and I trust ton on that

JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ wat

Hakase

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ can you elaborate?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

> graphic design knowledge might help me improve my vision of GUI

Hakase

17:41

so

sup with it

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

there's a reason why you don't let a graphic designer do user interfaces

Hakase

tell me

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

and I'm going to elaborate, but it will be a bit long so bear with me

Hakase

(sits down comfortably)

JNat

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ what did you mean by this?

Hakase

17:43

° )—( °

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase first of I want to ask you what do you think a graphic designer is and what you think is involved in making GUIs

Hakase

oh the mouth is way too big in that smiley

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ I have no idea, but I expect there to be some concepts that would be applicable to what I want to do, and that is GUI that shows whatever I want to see in as little interaction bits as possible

you know, if I knew these things, I wouldn't ask about em

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase I understand that, but I'm trying to get a better idea of that you think is it, not what you think it should be

Hakase

I guess this is how I do things − I only try to interpret things according to immediate goals I have in mind for their use

like trying to fit a new piece of puzzle into a part I already assembled

and I won't know what shape that new piece is until I actually touch it from all edges

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

let me rephrase, what do you think it is that a graphic designer does (in general)?

Hakase

17:48

draws shapes and positions data on given limited space

too general?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

no that's good

your idea of a graphic designer is more so along the lines of what you would consider a UX designer to do, study and evaluate how users feel about a system, looking at such things as ease of use, perception of the value of the system, utility, efficiency in performing tasks and so forth

allow me to make the distinction with visual, graphic, and UX design

Hakase

sure, please do

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

in graphic design, something -- whether it’s branding, information, or an advertisement -- is communicated to users through text and images

how those two elements, text and images, are placed on the web page or printed page is also part of a graphic designer’s business, as well as font choices, color, and other visual elements

through their craft, graphic designers inspire emotions and responses... a graphic designer will know that users will respond very differently to text written in the much-maligned Comic Sans font as opposed to in old-fashioned Helvetica font

graphic design is iconic and recognizable, like the Coca-Cola, I <3 NY, or FedEx logo

now visual and graphic design are very closely linked and the two terms are often used interchangeably

you may come across job advertisements and degree programs described as visual/graphic design

:18998181 I was liking that

Sometimes visual design is referred to as visual communications, and this terminology may help give you a sense of difference between the two roles

Taisho

googledrive.com/host/0B_8okaqRyPERVlM0OVVCS29TVzQ/… ..

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

where a graphic designer uses typefaces, hierarchy, color, images, and placement to create a product, a visual designer might be more focused on coming up with a holistic aesthetic that travels across all platforms

you can think of graphic designers as communicating information, and visual designers as being focused on the look and feel of the product and brand, as well as being involved in conversation about what the site or product provides, and project goals

graphic designers typically work on either the design of print materials (packaging, brochures, magazines, etc.) or the design of webpages and apps

a visual designer serves as a mid-point between the pure design abilities of a graphic designer, and the more user-focused interests of a user experience designer...

unlike graphic and visual designers, who have as their main focus aesthetics and communication, user experience designers are focused on users and how they interact with the site

they ask question like: how do people move around the site? what happens when people click on this button? will changing the color or size of a widget influence users to make bigger purchases, or interact with the site differently?

JNat

18:11

is @Hakase still here, and reading?

Hakase

yiss

Taisho

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

to get an answer to these types of questions, user experience designers, called UX designers, will do user testing, often in the form of A/B testing

while user experience design is also concerned with the appearance of the site, it’s how users interact with the site, navigating through and making decisions on where to click (and where not to click) that most strongly occupies a UX designer

typically user experience designers create wireframes, or visual blueprints for a site's design, as well as digging into information architecture, which is the fundamental way the information on the site is organized, displayed, and identified to users

fundamentally, user experience designers ensures that a website is easy to use, and provides products, whether information, a service, or items for sale, smoothly and efficiency

note that the field is relatively new, and interdisciplinary in nature, so degrees in psychology (most notably cognitive science), computer science, or graphic design could all be considered relevant

Hakase

guess I'll be studying cognitive science in the future

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

this infographic probably does a better job describing everything in bite sized chunks

/rant

any questions?

Hakase

18:18

Firefox themes?

cpu and memory usage?

uhhhh heart beat rate and blood pressure?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase don't focus on just that, learn to apply it to other discplines

Hakase

@ton.yeung I don't really know as much as you know about psychology and stuff as you do, apparently, so I'll need a little bit more guidance to understand what you mean

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@ton.yeung how does that mesh with the Wild Card ability?

a blue butterfly?

Hakase

also y u guys keep saying "cognative"

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase I can't spell cognitive

nhahtdh

18:22

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@ton.yeung what's your natural Arcana?

Hakase

@nhahtdh this will reflect on tomorrow's school grades

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@ton.yeung your Persona

nhahtdh

@Hakase I'm out of school already

Hakase

@nhahtdh I meant for the character she's saying that to

@ton.yeung not sure where this is applicable if most things mentioned like websites and product brands will be "used" by a huge number of people

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

18:25

@nhahtdh how did you get out, what did you take with you

Hakase

do you mean average person profile of the target audience or are we talking about products designed for a select few users (in which case I have no idea what kinda stuff that could even be)?

nhahtdh

I come in standing and come out crawling on four, and I took whatever I could with me

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase this is where you ask about the scope

Taisho

nhahtdh

Learned that in my class, but forget already

Hakase

18:30

but how do you get that persona's responses? do the people in charge have a very strong vision of what that persona would do in certain cases, or do they test on a number of people that on average form a behavior similar to the target persona?

nhahtdh

Since I never use it

In the case where you are too poor, you have to imagine

put yourself in the shoe of the persona

Hakase

@nhahtdh it's small :p

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@nhahtdh don't not just the shoes, imagine the habits as well

a bit a empathy is involved in this

Frosteeze

Maid Cafe and UX 101 at the same time. I approve.

Hakase

@ton.yeung what are the dangers of mixing?

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ I might be interested in making a company for the business I'll end up doing some years down the road, and when the times comes I want to be prepared and know what my business lacks, and whom to hire. Also for my current personal projects it's useful as a marker on the map of things needed to make a nice app. This here stuff definitely helps with that.

sounds very effective and has proven to be useful to me countless times

huh so this is why there are tons of useless robots out there from major companies

I wonder how exactly they gain profit from making them :p

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

18:44

@Frosteeze nothing is off topic, in the maid cafe.

Hakase

(I really have no idea how much it costs and what they get from it)

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

There are also no stupid questions

unless of course it is blatant trolling, then it will be returned in kind

Hakase

@Frosteeze yeah, man, this is cafe ffs − drink drinks, eat cakes and talk about anything

that's one way

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase investors...

nhahtdh

I have several questions, but I don't have time to write up a proper question here

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

18:46

@ton.yeung don't strain yourself, you got a lot on your plate

nhahtdh

Can someone take the idea and ask?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@nhahtdh I will consider it, as a special service to you

Hakase

@ton.yeung spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/… this for example

nhahtdh

Here is the list

Daitoshokan - Flower symbolism of each character (episode 1, 2, 3?)
YuYuYu - Flower symbolism of each character (OP)
Log Horizon - Meaning of cut hair in episode 9 (and the same scene in 2-3 episodes back)
GF(Beta) - Miss monochrome (how come she is used in GF?)
Jinsei - Dialect of the negative glass girl (somewhere episode 6?) (what does she actually say?)
Kokkuri - Meaning of flower which the bully girl set up in Episode 5?
Kokkuri - How does Akamatsu defeat the nekomata?

Hakase

I eat something like that a significant portion of the times I eat :p

it's better with curry spices and cheese

wtf is "humanoid technology" anyway

nhahtdh

18:49

(Please ping me on which one you want to take)

Hakase

humanoid isn't a tech, it's a shape of a robot from what I know

there can be methods of creating that shape, but technology means something else to me, like how exactly a method of achieving it works

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@nhahtdh yuyuyu the girls' flower symbols apparently represent a leveling system for them to become more powerful. why they would need to do this when there are only twelve enemies, each of them needs to kill five to level up once, and there are five girls total

Hakase

right, right

nhahtdh

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ: The flower symbolism in the OP - each girl has a different flower. I was meant to ask about their meaning

Hakase

imo a few weeks of thought experiments and maybe a month of testing with robot mockups would give all the answers on that, but whatever, if there are grants being given away for that, count me in :p

Taisho

18:52

Hakase

it most heavily depends on application

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@nhahtdh log-horizon inner dialogue and implied, they need to cut off a piece of their hair in order to revive

Hakase

if the goal was to replace a person so that nobody would suspect it's not a real human without medical examination, that I would understand as difficult

I'm not sure anybody is currently aiming for that grand of a goal

I'd like to know why and (no maybe, I do want to) work in that area

nhahtdh

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ: Why hair? Didn't their memory already got lost as fragment near the end (akatsuki)?

Hakase

damn I should really be studying all the robot tech there is instead of moping around

well then we gots to get rich

hard ways turn out to be the easy ways in the end

Sakamoto

18:59

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ʞɹɐzǝɹ

> If this cove took away memories in exchange for teaching Shiroe the meaning of death, then he could offer it himself.
Shiroe hoped so.
In order to become a better person than yesterday,it was a necessary ritual to move beyond regrets and work towards his goals.
Shiroe took out a small blade from his pocket and cut off a piece of memory.
Akatsuki followed Shiroe's lead and cut off the tip of her ponytail, letting it fall into the sea.

Web Novel Chapter 61

Hakase

it's time for a cake with a cup of tea

nhahtdh

I was hoping for something like this, but it was meant to be a Q&A

Hakase

also I should get a real cup, and not a glass

my glasses look like chemistry glassware without holders, but they are actually supposed to be used as spare french press containers

@ton.yeung tiramisu

Frosteeze

@Hakase I imagine you drinking tea out of a beaker or a test tube

Hakase

19:01

also the jig is up − the cake is staying with me

I'm free to eat it all by myself

friends are all busy until the end of the weekend

so nobody's coming to share it with me

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@nhahtdh jinsei sounds like a Tohoku dialect

Hakase

bitter cake? never heard of that before

nhahtdh

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ Well, I'm interested in the meaning of whatever she says

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@nhahtdh this is a consequence you pay for laziness~

@nhahtdh vap.co.jp/jinsei/answer/index.html

nhahtdh

Not that I'm lazy, but ok, I'll just leave them for when I'm feeling well enough

Frosteeze

19:03

Or coffee cakes, they can be bitter too

Hakase

> Tiramisu (from Italian, spelled tiramisù, [tiɾamiˈsu], meaning "pick me up" or "lift me up")

EYE M DA LAMA

coffee is bitter by itself

I can't find a non-bitter coffee anywhere

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@nhahtdh for the flower symbolism you need to ask a general question about "hanakotoba" and cite these as examples

Hakase

not that I'm actively looking or anything >.>

just from time to time I order a cup when I'm with friends somewhere fancy

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

@Hakase starbucks.com/menu/drinks/espresso/caffe-mocha

nhahtdh

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ It'd be nice if everything can be listed, but I'm not sure we have the capability to maintain the list

Hakase

19:07

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ doesn't coffee come non-bitter pure? without additions like milk or cream?

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

Taisho

Hakase

I love canned coffee drinks from Japan or Korea, but these aren't exactly coffee

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

►

Hakase

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ huh

did you just happen to know there is a video with that info or you googled "how to make coffee less bitter?"

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

19:14

@Hakase I knew

Hakase

u scary

Yuuki

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ You should post that to Lifehacks.SE.

Hakase

1

Lifehacks – lifehacks.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for people looking to bypass life's everyday problems with simple tricks.

Currently in private beta.

JNat

Yuuki

19:29

►

Definitely NSFW

Yuuki

19:41

Ugh, I'm in a conundrum.

I want to go to a local comic book store, but I feel guilty having gone 3 times without buying anything.

I just don't feel like owning comic books right now.

Hakase

better not make any purchases that you'll regret in the future

Yuuki

@ton.yeung Barnes & Noble probably doesn't have the comics I'm looking for. I want to read them, but at the same time I'm fairly certain they're not ones I'd read more than once.

So not purchase material.

Hakase

do you only buy things you intend to use more than once?

Yuuki

They have other merchandise, but I don't want T-shirts.

@Hakase Books, yes.

And other non-consumables.

Hakase

you cat eat books

Yuuki

19:45

@Hakase I no has cat.

Frosteeze

But you can cat a book without a cat

@Yuuki Just buy everything online

Toshinou Kyouko

@Hakase v important

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