Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Logan M

03:07

Not watching it. PVs didn't do anything to significantly distinguish it from any other generic mecha series.

Prix

@ton.yeung haven't seen the latest ep but so far it gave me no reason to drop it yet

Prix

03:18

@ton.yeung tashika ni ne, sono mc omoshirokunai. Maybe slow dev, at least up to last ep it seemed his expression changed, but I was not expecting much from that anime anyway

Well zankyou does look nice and gives a mystery/detective feel

Logan M

Why would you expect a bunch of Japanese people would care about getting English right?

That would be like assuming people here can speak Japanese remotely correctly

Taisho

sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Logan M

Who are you polishing it for?

Taisho

Logan M

If 95% of their market is Japanese people, it's simply not worth hiring a translation checker and a separate voice actor to voice those lines.

@ton.yeung Anime is made first and foremost to make money

Sure, they can ask whoever is the most knowledgeable guy on the production team about English

which is what they typically do IIRC

Criticizing anime for bad English is like criticizing IEEE standard for bad math. It's true but irrelevant for most of the people they're targeting.

@ton.yeung Maybe for you, but not for the average viewer

Prix

03:47

@ton.yeung haven't seen last ep yet but will when I get home

-_- it makes me want to get home faster which makes my work boring and makes the time go by slower and slower

@ton.yeung shhhh don't make it worst

I am a Network Eng and work on a Brazilian IDC

HoiHoi-san

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Prix

Internet datacenter

:P

true specially when a smart ass make some mess and as a result the entire network gets DDoS and we have to mitigate and null route

it usually is around 8pm~3am

when I am on night shift I am not always on night shift

during the day you hardly see those

we've pin point some time ago that most DDoS happening were related to kids that were involved on some network called GArena

like there was a I think Iranian group on that network

and if you pissed them they would DDoS your ip from their botnet

mmm GArena was/is not sure if still exists a gaming plataform

but we haven't had any issues with them since we started notifying congent, level3, and others

intl.garena.com

looks like it still exists

it was a pretty old thing

oh no the network itself is fine

think of it as a IRC network

there are separated rooms, channels and games

user1306322

04:04

@user1306322 No, we don't have many people here who know about this stuff, but we aren't going to get more if we start closing these questions. — Logan M 23 mins ago

@LoganM isn't it not just about what we want but also what can realistically be expected to be asnwered?

Logan M

@user1306322 no, it's about whether it's in our scope or not

That's it

Prix

@ton.yeung lol which also remembers me of IRC botnets

user1306322

we could keep all anime production questions open but I don't think anyone would be competent enough to give a proper answer

Logan M

We might as well close questions about any series that doesn't have 100k users on MAL then as well

user1306322

actually whatever

if I knew an answer to a closed question I would post it as a comment

like I usually do

Prix

04:07

@LoganM why do you always try to generalize something completely out of the current discussed boundaries lol

Logan M

@Prix Reductio ad absurdum

user1306322

@Prix I'm not sure about anything except that Logan's opinion about SE can be trusted more often than not

Logan M

Standard argumentation strategy which has existed since Aristotle

Prix

why not just use one with in the target ;)

user1306322

too bothersome to explain the difference in small things than in the large ones

Logan M

04:10

But in all honesty, who are you (or I) to say what we are or are not likely to be able to answer? I've been surprised by questions before that I didn't think were answerable but turned out to have a great answer somewhere that wasn't easily accessible.

@Taisho nooo why you leave us?!

user1306322

yes, yes, I myself usually prefer to keep questions open precisely because of the possibility that a competent user might appear

Prix

@LoganM That's something agreeable

user1306322

he's on refresh

Prix

#potato?

Logan M

#potato!

user1306322

04:11

when he starts doing the "sssssssss" he needs to be restarted

Prix

why he does ssssss

Logan M

what is ssssssss anyway

Prix

is he infested with snakes?

SSSssSSSSSsssS

Logan M

#sssssssssssssss

^ Try speaking to him in his own language

Prix

@ton.yeung mmmmmm pix or it never happened

Taisho

04:12

Prix

what happens when he does ssss memory or something?

Taisho

@Prix Could you rephrase your request?

Prix

@user1306322 he does that because something specifically happening I assume

user1306322

he's working on autoit as I've already mentioned about a million times

Logan M

Does he queue all previous posts or just one of them?

user1306322

04:14

I'm saving the page with ctrl+s

as many as he can find starting from the last processed messageid

Prix

@user1306322 yes, but shouldn't need to reboot unless its like eat all memory or doing something wrong or so I assume

user1306322

chat page usually keeps the latest 100 messages so for example if he went down 101 messages ago and was started again, he'd see that there are 100 unprocessed messages and would try to process them all

Logan M

So anything above that would just get dumped

But he still hasn't replied to either of my messages

user1306322

@Prix I have no idea what the fuck goes wrong all the time so I just set autoit to automatically restart everything if latency gets too high

@LoganM because I cleared the reply queue manually before he could do that

Logan M

oic

Prix

04:17

if you want to send me a copy, I can put it working with the library for u next weekend

Logan M

Shouldn't he have posted by now, or does he default to wallpaper mode disabled?

user1306322

once I get enough sleep and am capable of implementing that chat interface Prix has kindly mashed up for me, this will all be history

Prix

I don't think you would want him answering all the 100 messages at once @LoganM

user1306322

#wallpaper status

Prix

#post

Taisho

04:17

Wallpaper module status: Enabled, time interval: 15 min., message interval: 50. Links unposted: 934, links posted: 476, Total: 1410. Next wallpaper post is due in 31 message.

Prix

ka-kawaiii

user1306322

he thinks that any image posted by him is "the image"

I couldn't reliably program that so I just resorted to this

Prix

you mean from previous commands?

Logan M

he doesn't have a memory of which messages he posts automatically?

@Prix I think he means that chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/16894124#16894124 counts

Prix

that's what I understood

user1306322

04:20

he's supposed to remember what he does, but it's a bit more complicated with parsing chat page saved as text than with json messages, so I just decided to leave it for the future

Prix

but like all the previous commands would count as that one

Logan M

That one wasn't from a command, it was posted manually (afaict)

user1306322

the check for posted images is own messages starting with <user image>

all onebox image posts qualify

Prix

so you don't take into account the message id?

user1306322

I couldn't code it correctly in a reliable way with the message ids

Prix

04:22

like user image against message id from #post or something

user1306322

in text, the code of the messages varies slightly, but that's enough for parsing to go wrong

Logan M

If you're keeping a list of urls he's already posted, can't you check that for the most recent one?

user1306322

when Logan uploaded a bunch of images using the "https" link instead of "http" I had to edit half of the parsing class to make it work

parsing that text is bullshit

Logan M

http should work just as well IIRC

user1306322

I want everything to work correctly irregardless of user input

Prix

04:25

JSON is cake you make a class and deserialize into it

you probably take like an hour or so to put the library working on your current project

Logan M

I like cake

user1306322

me too

Logan M

we should eat cake

user1306322

schedule a cake eating meeting on the weekend

everybody gathers here to eat cake and report their progress

Prix

too late

user1306322

04:27

too creamy, but qualifies

memochou got interesting but Alice doesn't strike me as cute enough character on her own

I feel like the makers tried to mix genres but it didn't work very well

Logan M

It was kinda meh

user1306322

it's a detective, but with a bit of comedy and moe…

still got 4 episodes left

but it's definitely better than Ika Musume or Free

degesssooooo~

Logan M

Free yes, Ika Musume no

user1306322

I'll just put it on the back shelf and try other stuff

Logan M

It's one of the more forgettable shows I've seen. Didn't do a very good job of convincing me to like it.

user1306322

04:34

Aoi Bungaku seems interesting

Logan M

Ika Musume didn't have that problem.

Aoi Bungaku is really depressing.

user1306322

I love depressing

Logan M

hard to watch

user1306322

challenging

Logan M

Have you read any of the novels it's based on?

user1306322

04:34

nope

Logan M

They're worth reading if you like reading

user1306322

there isn't any literature that can't be successfully portrayed on the screen

Taisho

user1306322

aru mikan no ue ni arumi kan no ue ni aru… mikan!

also reading takes a lot more time than watching and animation usually has additional benefits

like voice acting for example

Logan M

I'm fairly sure there's no video version of most of those novels which is as good as the originals.

user1306322

04:39

one day when I'm through all anime and movies worth watching I'll turn my eyes to the non-animated works

Prix

kape

@user1306322 "Ka-pe!!" by Fuuka

Prix

05:09

When people ask things like "What is the terminal velocity of a sheep", I can't help but remember worms 2

Prix

05:20

Logan M

Screencaps of some CG meta posts about their closure before it happens tomorrow: 1 2 3 4 5

Eric

05:46

@Mysticial YouTube is down. Fix.

Mysticial

Don't care. I'm playing AOE.

:)

Eric

@Mysticial But you're a highly trained monkey. YouTube said it was dispatching highly trained monkeys.

Mysticial

I'm not highly trained. So no.

Eric

Waitwut

user1306322

@Mysticial area of effect?

Logan M

05:48

@Eric Working for me

Eric

@LoganM Yeah it's actually just the video editing pages that are borked.

Mysticial

@user1306322 Age of Empires

user1306322

online?

Eric

@Mysticial Apples or Elephants.

Mysticial

no

just single player

Eric

05:49

Isn't AoE like 20 years old?

Mysticial

Yeah.

Eric

Nice.

Mysticial

It's been rereleased on Steam in HD.

user1306322

there's an AoE Online now

oh that one, it's great

and I'm sitting here like

Logan M

In case you guys are interested, area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/72987/stack-overflow-academy had a guy go in and comment on basically every highly rated question why it's terrible and made a meta post.

I commented on his meta post because sometimes it's fun to engage this kind of borderline troll/idiot

user1306322

05:51

I will upvote these comments

Logan M

Mine or his?

user1306322

both

Logan M

sure go ahead I don't care

lol

user1306322

u just said u like stirring up trubble

Logan M

I'm actually happier if the proposal goes down in flames

not that I really care either way

Just prefer chaos and destruction over progress and order.

user1306322

05:53

the best stuff survives chaos and destruction

Logan M

I don't think a single ineffective troll will bring down that proposal though.

What will bring it down is the fact that it's a doomed idea from the start

user1306322

it'll fall apart on its own once the closed beta starts

Logan M

The problem is that the people who are failing to use SO successfully can't be helped in the Q&A format at all because they don't know enough to make a reasonable question.

Taisho

Eric

This guy might be exhibiting troll-like behavior, but he's bang-on.

All of this stuff is either already covered, or a user won't know how to ask it.

Logan M

05:56

@Eric yes I actually agree with what he's saying

Eric

This is like writing a textbook for dyslexic people.

Logan M

Of course, the solution is just to not frame it in the Q&A format in the first place. This is exactly the sort of thing that internet fora are actually good for. But good luck convincing anyone employed by SE that they should add a forum to the network.

user1306322

after reading the example questions, it's basically MSO

Mysticial

@user1306322 I agree.

Logan M

@user1306322 yes it's like MSO except with lower standards

user1306322

05:58

hmm…

Lower Standards Overflow… LSO

Logan M

35

Q: Boundary between Stack Overflow Academy and Meta Stack Overflow?

Proposal: Stack Overflow Academy Where is the boundary between Stack Overflow Academy and Meta Stack Overflow? Isn't the former more or less a subset (and therefore duplicate) of the latter?

Mysticial

@user1306322 LosersOverflow

Logan M

That's one of the first things ppl pointed out about the proposal

Eric

@Mysticial Oh good lord it's overflowing with losers

Logan M

Anyway I think it's doomed whether or not it makes it to beta

Eric

06:00

Ugh, fat fingers

@LoganM Indeed, it wouldn't make it through closed beta

Logan M

So the only consequence is that shog will get a ton of rep from it

Prix

@Mysticial yolo yolo yolo

Logan M

which is irrelevant anyway since he has a diamond on a51

user1306322

this only indicates that SO needs to divide their content into "expert/professional" and "enthusiast/beginner" groups

Logan M

No, SO just needs to stop allowing questions

user1306322

06:01

why not just autoclose them on posting?

Mysticial

ExpertSexChange
LoserSexCHange

Eric

@user1306322 I think php should just be auto-closed.

Prix

"Proposed Q&A site for programmers who want to learn how to ask good questions on Stack Overflow" they are going to teach people how to properly use English too?

Logan M

They've answered everything at this point. No point to letting people ask things anymore. Instead open a new site for finding existing answers on SO

Eric

If it's a good question, it can be reopened.

@Prix LOLno

Mysticial

06:02

lol

Logan M

@Eric Proper English is IIRC actually the strongest predictor of question quality out of everything SE has looked at.

user1306322

> Stack Overflow is a question and answer site for professional programmers.
and
> Stack Underflow is a question and answer site for beginner programmers.

Prix

lol

Logan M

How about just redirecting beginners to Yahoo answers

user1306322

@LoganM you are evil

Prix

06:04

@user1306322 except the beginners would still not use it

Logan M

no need to make a new site for them

@user1306322 what's new?

user1306322

lol nuthin

Mysticial

@Prix Which is why the "closed by default" option is better than splitting the site.

Though they kinda are heading in that direction with the whole "deemphasize crap" thing.

Logan M

You could make opening initially closed questions easier. Just require 1 or 2 votes or something.

Mysticial

If it actually works (which it probably won't on the first try), you basically hellban all new users who can't ask a good question.

@LoganM Exactly.

Logan M

06:06

I don't think they're going all the way to hellbanning

Mysticial

@LoganM I didn't mean it literally, just that bad questions get ignored and fall off so quickly that it's "as-if" it's a hellban.

You can even drop them from searches unless the user clicks the "show shit questions" checkbox.

Logan M

Honestly as an outsider it seems to me like the biggest problem is all the duplicates. SO seems to have already answered the vast majority of all questions anyone but a fairly advanced programmer would have.

Mysticial

@LoganM I'm actually in favor of auto-deleting duplicates as well. Currently, they're exempt from the auto-deletion.

Logan M

At that point, the added value of the average incoming question is negative, and you might as well just not allow new questions at all.

Sure, there are more subtle things you can do which will be better

but SE seems to think they can fix it just by shifting views around, which I'm fairly sure won't solve anything

Taisho

Mysticial

06:11

Auto-close all questions be default. One upvote or one "reopen" vote will open it up.

Logan M

Problem with that is that if it's just one upvote it will lead to enormous amounts of sockpuppetry

Mysticial

At the same time, you don't want to kill the low-traffic tags where the only expert (who may not have 3k) wants to answer it.

user1306322

make users liable of upvoting low quality posts

Mysticial

So the idea is that you can still upvote and answer.

It obviously doesn't solve the whole problem, but it should nibble away at it.

user1306322

if they upvote bad posts too much, take the voting privilege from them because they obviously don't know what they're doing withit

Logan M

06:13

At some point it becomes prohibitively hard to sockpuppet your question open just to have it closed more than once or twice without getting caught. Presumably SE will aim for that if they do something like this.

Mysticial

@LoganM And it'll be trivially automate-able if it's from the same IP.

Logan M

I guess you could allow people to post answers while the question is "closed" and hide them until it gets opened.

Mysticial

There's probably few people competent enough to use multiple IPs that it can be taken care of manually by mods.

Logan M

If they're capable enough to do that and do it well enough to not be caught, they can probably ask a decent question

Mysticial

@LoganM Unless they're intentionally trolling. Like the Python guy.

Logan M

06:15

In which case that would be far easier than sockpuppetry anyway

@Mysticial Intentional trolls are a different matter entirely from help vampires imo

Mysticial

Actually, closing by default doesn't solve the problem of, "too many shit questions to sift through". Since you see them regardless of whether they are closed.

And you can't hide close questions because then it's impossible to get opened.

So the only way really is to AI filter them (which is what they're doing now).

Logan M

I think you could put them in a separate zone

Mysticial

Another option is to:
1. Lower the close threshold to 1 or 2 votes.
2. Hide closed question by default, but anyone can opt into seeing them.

Logan M

Answerers would still have reason to go there to look for new good questions to answer.

Mysticial

@LoganM That had been suggested and Shog wanted to put that option behind a rep paywall.

Logan M

06:27

of course, they'd still have to sift through everything, but the bad stuff at least wouldn't generate rep.

Mysticial

I'm not convinced that the repwhore problem needs to be attacked directly like that.

If you simply kill the visibility for bad questions, no one will see them, and the answers will get less rep.

Logan M

Even if all you get is an accept, that's still 15 rep.

and yes, some people are obsessed enough to care about that much

Mysticial

Which is a lot less than 65 for a typical 5 + accept FGITW.

If they want it that much, let them have it. The whole point is to not bother the "normal" users.

user1306322

@Mysticial sounds like a good idea

4

Q: About the industry: How much does it cost to license a manga outside of Japan?

Today I'd like to know what kind of proposition one has to make to a Japanese publisher to have a go at distributing a title in a certain country (outside of Japan). This article told me how things work in the industry and I pretty much understand that to get a deal, you need sales forecasts, a ...

licensing

I decided to take back my close vote on that

Logan M

06:48

Haven't seen Jugem bug out recently. Not sure if that's because they fixed the feed or it just hasn't happened.

Either way, the next time he does we're in for a treat

Logan M

07:09

Macross is best watched from start to finish, not jumping in midway.

But Frontier isn't a terrible place to start

The american version of the original is not Macross

you could have just asked a question

whatever you want i guess

Taisho

Logan M

Yeah it seems that !!user is still bugged

fetches SO profiles

but it looks at your chat SE user #

so it will basically never get the right answer

not a big deal imo

We don't use that one much anyway

Sakamoto

0

Q: What anime is this gif from

I tried google image search but it didn't find anything =_=

identification-request

Logan M

It's an alternate version of the original

I don't remember it well enough to say how much was different

Asada Shino

Nyanpasu~

Overslept T__T

Logan M

07:21

Nyanpasu~

Time for me to go home though

Asada Shino

:o

Matane ^^

Logan M

later

Prix

@ton.yeung as in you want to watch it or only if its relevant to the current series

So you're watching Macross from the first one or something?

mmmm

that makes more sense

I guess you will want to see Macross Zero then

4

Asada Shino

@Prix o/

Prix

@ton.yeung well if you're watching everything then no problem but you said you were on the middle of Macross F

aw

well you will prob have a hard time during

Macross 7

@Taisho what?

#what

Taisho

07:41

@Prix I don't understand your request.

Prix

#help

Taisho

What do you need help with? If you're looking for a specific command, type #help command. For a list of all commands, type #commands. For a list of all help entries, type #help *

Prix

#commands

Taisho

Core commands: about, help, commands, usercommands, (undo), (trust), (ignore), (say), (tell), (reply). <list is incomplete> Dev commands: (learn) Adv commands: (mal), (recommend), (meaning), (thesaurus), (synonym), (timer). <list is incomplete> There are also 0 user-defined commands that you can see if you say #usercommands.

Prix

mmm

which bot is the one that tells those reverse image sites aside from google

!!what

HoiHoi-san

07:42

@Prix That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Prix

!!what

HoiHoi-san

restarted

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