Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

12:51 AM

1:20 AM

Glasslip reminds me so much of True Tears, but I'm not sure if that's because it's actually similar or just PAWorks + Chickens.

Shinobu Oshino

2:44 AM

user1306322

2:55 AM

webapps.stackexchange.com/help/question-bans just found out about this

Logan M

Question bans are only enabled on a few sites.

I'm not sure why the help center has an entry for them on all sites

user1306322

anime.stackexchange.com/tags/jojo-no-kimyouna-bouken/info maybe it should read jojos-bizarre-adventure?

are apostrophes even allowed in tag names?

Logan M

I don't think apostrophes are allowed

Sakamoto

3:26 AM

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Q: can anyone tell me what anime is from this picture

I'm searching for anime to watch and found this photo

identification-request

-1

Q: White hated anime boy

I need names and anime. Needs to be... white haired BOY!! short or tall doesn't matter but prefer it a shortie red eyes if possible Answer ASAP!! Try and if you can make it a list

identification-request

Shinobu Oshino

@Sakamoto is that misaka?

Logan M

Yes

I forget which season of Index it's from though

Shinobu Oshino

@LoganM i don't really know from index or railgun so I answer both :p

Logan M

I'm pretty sure it's from Index

It has Touma in it, and he's only in Railgun S2

I think it's from the sports festival arc thing, but I forget which season of the anime that was

Shinobu Oshino

tried to google image, only got "awkward moment"

Logan M

3:42 AM

Did you try cropping the image to remove the border and then Googling?

Anyway it seems like it's Index S2. The picture is at toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/…

Shinobu Oshino

yes I did, twice, result still the same

oh yeah... I'll edit my answer then, thanks

user1306322

4:05 AM

NGNL is pretty good, it turns out

Logan M

4:25 AM

Yeah no kidding. There's no way a show with an entire country of kemonomimi girls would be bad.

user1306322

kemonomimi

nice

@ShinobuOshino noble effort on your part with tag wikis

Shinobu Oshino

well thanks, it bug me to see those tag without any explanation

but I only do the one that I know

but you also did the same before

user1306322

I just did the excerpts, because I didn't know what wikis are supposed to contain

maybe expanded explanation of the plot and adaptations?

genre, production dates

references, spin-offs, OVAs, specials

with proper formatting

huh so I do know now

is there a tag wiki guide post somewhere on meta?

Taisho

Shinobu Oshino

anyway, I just following one of tag wiki that @LoganM did before, only main series etc, I can complete it with genre, production dates, references, spin-offs, OVAs, and specials if I want but I don't really know if that's appropriate

not sure about that

user1306322

4:36 AM

@ShinobuOshino link?

Logan M

I did a lot of them but they're not very good

You can probably find better ones

user1306322

yeah let's do that

First I suppose wikis could use a proper explanation of what the work is called, alternative titles and short names

Shinobu Oshino

anime.stackexchange.com/posts/276/revisions

that one

user1306322

Then author, studio and genre

Shinobu Oshino

oh, I miss the last part

user1306322

4:37 AM

plot explanation, of course

after that maybe some notes if the work is unusual in any way that cannot be described just by the genre

like in madoka's case

and in the end a list of all related works with production dates, including remakes, 3D versions and such

a list of English-dubbed releases could also be nice, but personally I don't care about that

that seems to be all there is

lower-left girl reminds me of that rocky-fighter guy from Slayers

Logan M

I think Ene is supposed to look like Miku

user1306322

somehow that id answer of mine became my best answer with 5 points

I fully expected someone else to snatch it from me and post a better answer

I'll watch it after NGNL I think

Logan M

It's not unusual for ID request answers to get a bunch of upvotes. You just have to write it in a way that makes it easy for others to verify that you're right

user1306322

I think that's the success recipe for every answer :p

Logan M

True, but most answers require some knowledge of the series

user1306322

4:46 AM

short answer on top, explanation and notes below for those who want to read

Logan M

ID requests are verifiable by anyone, so they have a bigger audience

I've written ID request answers which got over 10, and much better answers which only got a couple of upvotes since the series was too obscure.

But it's pretty rare for an ID answer to get a lot more than that because they're obviously rather easy in most cases.

user1306322

5:07 AM

Logan M

wow that's a lot

And some of them only have like 1 or 2 questions

I don't bother ignoring tags until it gets seriously annoying

user1306322

I only want to see what I'm really interested in, so it ended up like that

imgur.com/gallery/RM4jW

Sakamoto

5:23 AM

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Q: Please help me in identifying an anime that I saw at a store

I need help finding what might be either an anime or an anime movie (I'm not sure which). I have a small description of what it features (or at least whatever I saw from it) Description: The anime (movie) starts off in a dark, cloudy sky, I think. There are apparently factions. One of them featu...

cowboy-bebop sailor-moon

user1306322

bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-28173609 a giant grasshopper sitting on some football guy's hand while he was footballing

Shinobu Oshino

@user1306322 what is this

user1306322

there, I made it sound like I don't know what I'm talking about

@ShinobuOshino that is, believe it or not, Mekakucity Actors anime: anime.stackexchange.com/questions/11411/…

Shinobu Oshino

oh..

user1306322

@Sakamoto I don't know why but I don't like the op

I take requests by strangers way to personally

Shinobu Oshino

5:42 AM

but..but...you answer it

user1306322

@ShinobuOshino I am still conflicted about that decision and angry at the op!

I mean where is he? why is he not adding details? He just said ASAP PLSPLSPLS in his post

> seen 29 mins ago

Taisho

Logan M

A lot of the time ppl post stuff like that and just leave and come back days later

Which is really stupid

Shinobu Oshino

so you're mad because he said ASAP but not exist after that?

lot user do that

Logan M

but we do sometimes take days to answer so I guess it's okay

Shinobu Oshino

5:46 AM

@user1306322 btw, how you make this?

Logan M

Yes, lots of users do it, but they should stick around for at least a few minutes because we usually ask for clarification

user1306322

user6488

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identification-request

Logan M

I think he meant how to do quotes in chat.

user1306322

> text

> text

Shinobu Oshino

>try

oh

> huh

user1306322

5:47 AM

try again with a space

Logan M

Needs a space before the >

after

after

yeah meant after

of course I'm mad, I mean what kind of person does that?

ask a pretty detailed question, add ASAP and don't show up

Shinobu Oshino

5:49 AM

@user1306322 internet user

user1306322

it's like saying "nothing I'm saying is trustworthy and I don't really care about the answer"

Logan M

Honestly the ASAP part just should be edited out

It's not relevant to the question

user1306322

I agree

Logan M

I mean, yes, we know they want an answer. That's why they asked in the first place.

That should be true of every question on this site

Knowing that they want it soon doesn't help us answer the question itself..

Shinobu Oshino

maybe a habit from other site?

I mean, other than SE

Logan M

5:52 AM

Probably, but it's a bad habit on any site I know of

user1306322

here's a little story about internet users: a few weeks ago I got bored and decided to go to random Left 4 Dead 2 servers. Most of them were pretty close to me, somewhere in the range of 60 ms latency, which means it was not farther than european servers. Players were pretty bad, but they tried their best to stay alive and not shoot each other. Then I ended up on a server with everyone lagging at ~170ms. I then said "heavy lags". Nothing negative really, just stating the situation.

I got offensive replies from all three other players. Everything they said was like imgur commenters joke about "xbox call of duty experience". Then they voted to kick me from the server. What kinds of users do that while other users behave much better?

@Eric I see about a third of Japanese Culture followers come from Japanese Language site. You could drop into their main chatroom and announce an event where users would come up with required good example questions and vote on them. That'd be some good advertisement among other chat rooms if these announcements appear everywhere

Logan M

They've already been regularly advertising the proposal

And all their regular chat users are already there

user1306322

but it still needs questions and votes

maybe some community bulletin showtime can help

if I understand correctly, all events are shown there

Logan M

It needs more users, but there's no point in annoying a bunch of people who are already there.

user1306322

I don't know what else to recommend

imma go to the kitchen, see what I can come up with in food category

Logan M

6:07 AM

We're not unbelievably far from making it to the next stage

I think we need 10 or 11 more users if they distribute their votes properly

At this point, from a game theoretic perspective, adding more good questions actually harms our chances

Shinobu Oshino

@LoganM and why is that?

Logan M

@ShinobuOshino Because we already have more than 40 good ones. If people add more, the extra ones will just get a bunch of irrelevant votes.

Shinobu Oshino

so you're saying that there shouldn't be any more good question?

only mediocre one

or worse

Taisho

Shinobu Oshino

quantity over quality?

Logan M

6:13 AM

Mediocre/bad ones don't help either

What we need is 40 questions with 10 votes

Any more than that just sucks up votes which could be used towards those 40.

Even if they're bad, there's still a chance they'll get voted on

Of course, SE doesn't want people to game the system like that, but from my view they built the entire system to be gamed.

Shinobu Oshino

so you're saying that we should only vote on those 40 good question

user1306322

yea

the rules of the game require that

Logan M

Yes, only vote on the top 40 questions

user1306322

it's not like anyone can take back the next stage from the proposal if it achieves all requirements

Logan M

Also, if you have any votes on questions that already have a lot of votes, move them to ones with fewer votes

user1306322

6:17 AM

for example take your vote from a +11 question so it would still have the required +10 and give it to a lower scoring question

Shinobu Oshino

you mean like... un-up vote?

user1306322

ye

Logan M

Or move your votes from +10 to those with +3 or +4

If we have 5 questions which each require 1 upvote, we can do that with a single user. But if we have one question which needs 5 upvotes, we'll need 5 new users

user1306322

@LoganM I think that's actually better

Logan M

So it's better to apply your votes to the questions which are lowest right now

(within the top 40)

user1306322

6:18 AM

passing users will see +9 and upvote it with more probability than any other questions

imma do that now

Logan M

Yes, a +9 question will get back to +10 quite quickly

But a +3 or +4 won't get upvoted nearly as much

Shinobu Oshino

or... you could edit those at the lowest top 40 so it would be back at first page so people can see them again upvote them

Logan M

Editing doesn't bump them

Because most people sort by votes

Shinobu Oshino

but... I sort for active question

user1306322

it's just you then :)

Logan M

6:21 AM

The default is votes

(IIRC)

I'll check

user1306322

it is, I never changed sorting

Logan M

Yeah default is votes

I checked in a private window

user1306322

also I just transfered 5 of my votes from +10 questions to lower scoring ones

> 15 more questions with a score of 10 or more

Shinobu Oshino

but everytime someone answer my old question or edit it, sometimes I got new upvote

Logan M

Yeah it's a bit disappointing to see that number go up

@ShinobuOshino That's on the main site, not area 51

Shinobu Oshino

6:22 AM

oh...

Logan M

On the main site it defaults to activity

But on A51 it's votes

Shinobu Oshino

I see what's going on here

sorry I was just miss-communication

user1306322

vote-manipulation!

Shinobu Oshino

I'm not familiar with area 51

but I have an account there

Logan M

IMO it's only unethical if you actually think those questions are bad. Just make sure the questions you're upvoting are still good ones

Shinobu Oshino

6:27 AM

you mean upvote in definition phase?

user1306322

@ton.yeung think you could poke the guys at github.com/lassevk/SkyNET ?

Taisho

user1306322

sleazy fitting image :D

Hell Butterfly

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Q: what kind of details should it be in wiki tag?

Recently I edit some wiki tag, usually I give a picture, English title, Japanese title, other title, production detail, plot, and some link to wikipedia, wikia. I'm not sure if I should also add detail like list episode, chapter, character, link to MAL or others, and genre or references. There'...

discussion

user1306322

it's not a concern for me currently, but in the future it'd be much simpler without needing a virtual machine to run the automation for chat<>bot interface

I could run it on my notebook instead of main pc

or even remotely

I mean I can really do that now, but notebook is too weak and would lag horribly with a vm

Shinobu Oshino

6:41 AM

@LoganM @user1306322 I was browsing through area51 but I'm not sure what happen there so I decide not to do anything, at least for now

user1306322

you'll figure it out eventually

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A: what kind of details should it be in wiki tag?

A nice big illustration showing the main characters; Work type − anime series / movie / short / OVA / ONA / manga / novel / light novel / one-shot, etc; Work names − official English and Japanese titles, alternative titles, short titles; Creators' names − mangaka, director, artist, animation stu...

Shinobu Oshino

@user1306322 that's... a lot of work to do

user1306322

that's the basics

most tag wikis already have half of it done

it's easy to get all that info, too

I only ever have to use Wiki and MAL

genres are all there, but wiki messes them up quite often

original work is easy to find on wiki

adaptations are all on wiki

all related works can be found on mal and sometimes wiki

If done right, both wiki and mal will have inferior description to that

Shinobu Oshino

well I guess you're right

Logan M

It's fine to look at those sources, but be sure everything that you write is in your own words. Otherwise we have to worry about plagiarism

Shinobu Oshino

6:57 AM

I edit a little, I was go through wiki,wikia,mal, almost all of them have similar content

user1306322

oh yeah, both wiki and mal have terrible plot summaries

but if you don't know what to write, they can remind you of the important things about the work

Logan M

IMO tag wikis aren't something we need to worry about in most cases

user1306322

I usually write plot summaries as advertisement text, which really is what it's supposed to be if you want people to get interested in the work

Logan M

A majority of them have <10 total views

user1306322

that needs to change!

Logan M

7:00 AM

probably most of those are just ppl who are making sure it's the same thing or experienced users checking what's there

Shinobu Oshino

that's why I sort it at top tag first

user1306322

we can also have our own version of wiki with just the essential information

Logan M

I don't think it will change because it's never going to be high on Google's ranking

Very few pages link to tag wikis

user1306322

if only internet knew how valuable that information is

Logan M

and they tend to backload the relevant content

Anyway we shouldn't be trying to outdo wikipedia or MAL because it's a waste of time. Those sites exist for a reason, and we exist for a different reason.

user1306322

7:03 AM

you're right

I just think we could do better than both of them in that regard

Logan M

We could easily do better

But it wouldn't help anyone

user1306322

that's depressing

Logan M

You'd be better off improving those pages, which are also editable

user1306322

oh fuck that

wikipedia is pure evil

ruled by morons

Shinobu Oshino

used by all

user1306322

7:05 AM

should be their motto

Logan M

Anyway I think the most important things to do in the tag wiki are describe the series enough to clear any ambiguity and possibly link to potential external sources of info.

Taisho

Logan M

lol I thought it was going to have Okabe and Daru in maid outfits as well

Shinobu Oshino

@LoganM so,, minimal is good enough?

Logan M

To be honest, for most series, no wiki at all is good enough

user1306322

7:07 AM

just an image with main characters already does 90% of confirmation work

for similar series some words about how they are different can help

Logan M

No one needs confirmation what series death-note refers to.

user1306322

not even tag excerpt :D

Logan M

Yeah it's entirely irrelevant

But it doesn't hurt anything either

Shinobu Oshino

I guess you're right

I just do it for fun anyway

Logan M

For something like dragon-ball, you should probably point out that DBZ is included, but GT has a separate tag. That's about the only really crucial information

Of course, there's a meta post about that now, so it could change

Shinobu Oshino

7:10 AM

so like ambiguity name like fate-series or toaru need explanation

Logan M

Yes that's a very important thing

It should probably go in the excerpt also if you can fit it

Shinobu Oshino

it's...not something I could really do well, unfortunately

well let me see I actually can do that

sigh... if only I can be this passionate with my work

Washu

7:26 AM

Hey all

Does anyone knows if SAO II first ep is already released?

Logan M

It's already aired at a convention, but not on TV. TV release is in 7 hours.

Not sure about simulcasts

But most likely it'll be at least that long

Washu

Thanks @LoganM :)

Hope you are doing well... i havent been here in a while

Logan M

Yeah I haven't seen you in a while

Washu

How is teaching going?

Logan M

Luckily I don't have any since it's the summer

Washu

7:34 AM

Awesome :D

Have you seen Knights of Sidonia?

Logan M

I watched 1 episode, but it was too much CG for me.

I think other ppl here have watched the whole thing though

Washu

@LoganM yeah I agree is too much CG but i liked it.. is fine :D

Where can i check the anime's per season?

Is there somewhere?

Logan M

Or look at anime.stackexchange.com/questions/156/…

HoiHoi-san

@ton.yeung randomc.net ; stackoverflow.com/questions/822323/… ; cplusplus.com/reference/cstdlib/rand

Washu

@HoiHoi-san thanks

@LoganM thanks :D

@Eric :3

user1306322

7:54 AM

@LoganM let's just pin it already maybe?

Logan M

8:05 AM

Okay fine

Currently Airing list for Summer 2014

7

Taisho

8:29 AM

Asada Shino

Morrrrrning :3

user1306322

9:10 AM

only 1 episode of NGNL left, I expect there to be a second season or maybe even more than one

Asada Shino

Hope so :P

7 hours till SAO 2

xD

user1306322

3

Asada Shino

Awww, poor guinea pigs XD

no

herp durrr hamsters

Either that or that is a big bowl

user1306322

I wonder if they are enjoying this

Asada Shino

9:42 AM

I don't think they have much of a choice, really xD

Just watched the first episode of pokemon in japanese, brings back memories, haha :p

Washu

10:08 AM

Oh i love that gif

Madara Uchiha

@user1306322 You can sit and watch it for hours XD

@AsadaShino SAO 2 is a thing?

Taisho

2:40 PM

user1306322

2:51 PM

@Taisho wonder what that is

and why you suddenly posted

Asada Shino

5:39 PM

SAO 2 just now

@MadaraUchiha Sorry, yes it is xD Just watched it

Shisui

9:12 PM

Yo!

Anybody here?

Is this the general anime chat?

Krazer

@Shisui It is.

We're just lazy and are all sleeping in

@ton ALDNOAH.ZERO, dat ending

Shisui

Haha!

Livin' the good life, eh?

=D

Krazer

lazy weekend for most ppl in the states

Shisui

It was independence day on the 4th, right?

Krazer

yup, and the 1st for canada

Shisui

9:20 PM

When do you reckon Kuroko S3 will begin?

I really want to see the Seirin vs Yosei climax.

=D

Krazer

@Shisui fall/winter 2014 would be my guess

Shisui

Ah, I can't wait that long!

Krazer

ALDNOAH.ZERO, legit links: CR, Daisuki YT, pt1 & pt2

Shisui

Luckily, I have Hunter X Hunter until then =D

Krazer

@Shisui and many more

Shisui

9:28 PM

Have you seen the first Aldnoah Zero episode?

I think I'm going to watch it. That and Tokyo Ghoul's first episode.

Also, I might start Sword Art Online. I've not seen any of it yet.

Krazer

10:49 PM

@Shisui it's not bad, most ppl'll like it

@Shisui Yes.

Logan M

11:59 PM

Can't decide if I should watch Rail Wars. On the one hand, it didn't have any real problems with the first episode, but on the other it's clearly intended as an enabler for train otaku.

HamZa

This season doesn't seem promising...

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