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Eric

00:32

Let's all go to MgRonald's!

Logan M

00:58

lol when I left this question was at 40 and I considered answering it on one of my dupe accounts for free rep. Decided against it because I thought I'd only get a couple of votes. Now it's at 221 and almost all of the answers are at +8 or higher.

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Q: Is $83^{27} +1 $ a prime number?

I'm having problems with this type of exercises, proving whether or not a given number is prime.

prime-numbers

iKlsR

01:27

@LoganM here is some lulz

> Area 51 is old now. It's a pretty poor idea anyway -- that goes away. The Area 51 team can do something else like clean Jeff's yacht.

Eric

@LoganM Wow, I could have answered that.

iKlsR

XDDD at the SharePoint bit

> Solidarity amongst members: why create divisions between Stack Overflow -- a male dominated community -- and other potentially female dominated professions. Note: we may still want to keep the SharePoint guys on their own server.

more

> We only have one internet. It only needs one Q/A site.

Logan M

@Eric You could have answered 80% of the MSE questions that get hot.

Eric

@LoganM Probably true. That's one of the reasons I tend to avoid it, actually. If there's no challenge, I tend to abandon it, much like I've done with the Android section of SO.

Logan M

This one was ridiculously hot for days, and the top answer is a joke.

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Q: Can the golden ratio accurately be expressed in terms of e and $\pi$

I was playing around with numbers when I noticed that $\sqrt e$ was very somewhat close to $\phi$ And so, I took it upon myself to try to find a way to express the golden ratio in terms of the infamous values, $\pi$ and $e$ The closest that I've come so far is: $$ \sqrt e - \frac{\pi}{(e+\pi)^e ...

soft-question recreational-mathematics approximation

Here's another question that got very hot and is rather trivial:

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Q: $2+2 = 5$? error in proof

I found this proof somewhere: $$\begin{align} 2+2 &= 4 - \frac92 +\frac92\\ &= \sqrt{(4-\frac92)^2} +\frac92\\ &= \sqrt{16 -2\times4\times\frac92 +(\frac92)^2} + \frac92\\ &= \sqrt{16 -36 + \left(\frac92\right)^2} +\frac92\\ &= \sqrt {-20 +\left(\frac92\right)^2} + \frac92\\ &= \sqrt{25-45 +\lef...

fake-proofs

Eric

02:07

@LoganM I love that answer. That's top-notch for creativity.

Logan M

@Eric It's okay, but if you look at the answers and compare how much useful content is in each to what their relative scores are, it seems rather out of order.

Krazer

03:13

Gatchaman Crowds OP Full:

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Logan M

Yay Engrish

Eric

03:38

@LoganM I fully agree, it is not deserving of the top spot.

Krazer

something must be done!

I demand satisfaction!

Logan M

It's actually quite useful if you want math rep. Find a question with fairly broad appeal (should be covered by high school at the latest) which is recent and on the upturn. Contribute an answer which is just a bit more explicit than everything else so far, and get tons of upvotes. I'm pretty sure there aren't any MSE users using this strategy currently, but it's probably the most efficient way to gain (small amounts of) rep on MSE.

I currently have a separate account testing the efficacy of this method. It doesn't seem to take much to get a decent amount of rep on these questions.

You can also do a lot to push the hotness of the question higher (thus bringing in more people), most notably upvoting all of the competing answers. On MSE it's considered acceptable to post multiple answers if they take very different approaches, so that also will have a big effect.

It's incredibly easy to game on MSE. I don't think it works nearly as well on other sites, mostly because they hit the multicollider less and when they do it's usually still more advanced than the MSE ones.

Krazer

04:08

@ton.yeung what do you say? want to edit out the subwirepart and try the question again?

Jon Lin

did that question get deleted?

I didn't downvote it, just commented because I posted a link to fansubwiki and got flak for it because of legality and fansubs, so I figured there was an issue with linking to illegal material

And also seeing meta posts concerning links to possibly illegal materal

Krazer

04:40

@JonLin nope, it's "on-hold"

Jon Lin

reading the comments

"safe haven" law has to do with a service or provider that provides a service, and other people, using the service, breaks the law

that has nothing to do with aggregation sites, unfortunately, since that's mostly not the case

this is why you have isohunt, tokyotosho, or a big court case like with mininova

Logan M

@JonLin FYI, the remark I made on meta wasn't directed at you, and I'm not the one who downvoted you. In any case, fansubwiki aught to be fine IMO. You can't download anything from there. It's really no worse than MAL in terms of indexing fansubs (in fact, since they don't do licensed shows, it might be better). The only problem with the site is that the name comes across as the kind of site that we would want to ban.

Anyway, the legality should be entirely irrelevant to whether or not it's allowed. We're not supposed to worry about legal issues at all.

Jon Lin

@LoganM actually didn't realized that answer on meta got downvoted, but no matter. I seriously must have been misinformed about the fansub matter

I noted that fansubwiki, despite the name, actually has little to do with fansubs

maybe I left that discussion with the impression that it was a legal issue, I know better now

and I agree with you that the question for resources can be a good one

I don't think we should limit the site to exclude questions about resources for anime/manga

Logan M

IMO it's a sort-of confusing policy, and I think a lot of people got it wrong. It might actually be better to get rid of the current policy, and say that questions about fansubs or fansubbing are just strait off-topic.

Jon Lin

04:57

it's a bit confusing maybe when there's stuff like meta.anime.stackexchange.com/questions/635/…

that post seems to imply that sometihng should be done about copyrighted material

I realize there's shades of gray concerning "illegal stuff"

so if a line is to be drawn, I'd like to know what that is

Logan M

"illegal material" is the wrong way to describe it. There should be a better wording for that.

I'll think about a better name, but I agree that it's confusing.

The current policy is the result of a consensus during beta that we didn't want to talk about or have links to fansubs, together with a directive from SE to not worry about legal issues at all. Those two aren't totally contradictory, but they're somewhat hard to reconcile.

Jon Lin

I understand the choice for some middle ground

we don't want to peddle torrents or whatever

And I vaguely remember some bit of legal speak, maybe inthis chat

from shog9 maybe?

I guess I sort of assumed that it was played on the safe side

I run a site that hosts evangelion wallpapers, and I've been DMCA'ed 9 times, and contacted by the FBI for child pornography

just for hosting wallpapers, with no nudity

Logan M

...wow

Anyway I think the conversation you were referring to was with Anna Lear. It starts here and continues for 20 or 30 messages:

Feb 16 at 19:22, by Anna Lear

Our usual policy is that moderators are not lawyers and are not responsible for enforcing any laws. This includes copyright.

Jon Lin

05:13

yeah, that's it

I try to read through the logs of chat when I get time

Logan M

Basically, we can set our own policy, but it's a question of how we want to present ourselves and our community, not any legal issues. Gaming bans questions about pirated games, but strictly speaking there's no need to from SE's perspective (at least, not unless they contact us about it). We're basically in the same situation.

Jon Lin

I guess I perceived it as a real legal issue

in any part of the world illegal translations are illegal

I read them, I watch illegally downloaded shows with illegally translated subtitles

but I know that I'm breaking the law

Logan M

It is a legal issue to do it (we're almost all breaking the law in that regard), but not to discuss it or ask about it.

That's my understanding anyway.

Jon Lin

but is it ok to ask for resources that gives you those fansubs/translations/scanlations/etc?

I think resources is a good topic for the site

resources

in practice, I don't know

anime/manga is pretty niche such that, at least on the internet, you're pretty much settled on a handful of places that most people would consider authoratative

Logan M

@iKlsR Is this one by the same guy?

@JonLin IIRC we decided that resources were okay for the site.

Jon Lin

05:26

I remember

Logan M

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Q: How should we handle posts containing anime & manga resources?

Back in private beta, we discussed a proposal on whether we should allow a limited set of "resource" posts to be available, just like meta JLU's. StackOverflow has some as well. The purpose of these resource posts is twofold: to help users find useful resources that other community members use, a...

discussion

Jon Lin

but the meta question mentioned about the resource-request tag

I think it should just go under resources

Logan M

@JonLin If you mean @Krazer's meta post, I think that one is way too broad. It tries to address all of the problems that could ever potentially come up with any such question. It's better to focus on the particular question we're discussing and figure out what's wrong or right with it, and go from there, rather than trying to generalize everything immediately.

Jon Lin

This one: meta.anime.stackexchange.com/questions/657/… ?

Logan M

Yeah.

> Are questions about these websites (such as the one mentioned above) and/or their communities (i.e. question pertaining to specific events, people, or news from Nico Nico, 2ch, and/or 4ch) considered on-topic? If so, how should we tag them? To what extent do we allow questions such as these?

IMO those aren't the questions that we should be asking here, because they're not related to the reasons why the question was closed.

Jon Lin

05:33

I agree

was just wary of questions that may relate to "resources"

Krazer

so, in conclusion, such questions about sites would be considered off-topic, but the resource request is valid?

Logan M

FWIW I prefer resources to resource-request. If I'm ever going to make a question about this, it will be a Q&A with a single fairly complete CW answer. Calling that a request seems silly. However, I don't think it matters that much what the tag name is, so long as we're clear on the policy.

Jon Lin

well, I was just saying the tag should be "resources"

Krazer

I'll synonymize the two

the former will be the parent

Logan M

@Krazer Questions asking about resources are on-topic. Questions asking about fansubs are off-topic. IMO questions about other sites should usually be off-topic, but I'm not ready to make that sweeping statement in all cases (e.g. if CR went down, it would be a different story IMO).

It's really a question of whether the site is significant to the whole anime community, or only to users of that site. Sites which are in some way connected to the industry may themselves be on-topic here. However, I don't want to cross that bridge until we have to.

Anyway I'm going home for the night. I should be at the thing tomorrow, but I have to grade exams tomorrow so it could depend on how the grading goes.

Krazer

05:42

@LoganM @JonLin So in this case I'll conclude that the question being closed is warranted (on the grounds of being about fansubs) and leave a note in the meta saying while this doesn't apply to all anime-related sites, we'll take a look on a case to case basis. How does that sound?

Jon Lin

my misinformed claim is off the table

I can delete my comment on the main question (I didn't see that it was on the front page)

Sakamoto

06:02

0

Q: What particular advantage was there on making Guilford think that Lelouch is Cornelia?

I haven't read the manga. In Code Geass R2, Lelouch orders Guilford to think that Lelouch is Cornelia upon taking a specific pose. It would seem like he did this just as a precaution before meeting with Suzaku. But, why not just order him to protect Lelouch when he takes such pose? What particul...

code-geass

Krazer

06:54

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Mysticial

Ah I got pinged!

iKlsR

;)

Krazer

07:06

@Eric accept an answer for this please.

iKlsR

I really don't get why SE won't make a way for people to poll properly..

Krazer

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A: Should polls be maintained as Community Wiki questions, or should they be closed?

This is a loaded question, and there are a lot of different issues to get through in a comprehensive answer. First of all, as Arjan has pointed out in the comments, Community Wiki mode is no longer available for questions. Thus, one behaviour that should never be tolerated is comments being lef...

Krazer

07:27

that should be all the changes

iKlsR

yh.. :/

Sakamoto

12:23

0

Q: Why is the nine tails afraid of Madara?

In a recent episode of the Naruto anime, the reincarnated Madara summons the nine tails but fails as it is sealed inside Naruto. But later when Madara attacks with his Deep Forest jutsu, the nine tails tells Naruto,"I'd rather be controlled by you than by Madara" and shares some of its chakra wit...

naruto

Logan M

15:25

Voting on a site this small might as well not be anonymous at all. Someone downvoted one of my answers (which is fine, though I wish they would have given a reason for it), and I was able to figure out who in around 2 minutes. It wasn't even hard; in fact with all the data they give it would be hard not to find the person.

Eric

@Krazer Did so.

@LoganM Yeah, answers are decently easy to trace. Questions not so much.

Logan M

@Eric Depends on what time of day. Towards the beginning of the day, so long as it's at least a few days into the week, you can usually do it if you notice it immediately in my experience.

Eric

Hm. Interesting.

Logan M

It actually makes me wonder if that's a real problem (people not downvoting answers because they're afraid they'll be found out and retaliated against). Seems like it could lead to a lot of low-quality answers if we aren't careful.

Eric

15:42

I don't think the average user worries about that. Considering the last off-topic one got -4, I don't think we suffer from that.

Logan M

@Eric It's not a question of obviously bad questions, but subtly bad answers. For instance, poorly sourced answers (of which there are a lot here) still tend to get upvoted so long as they seem plausible.

Madara Uchiha

16:07

o/ Everyone

Eric

16:19

@MadaraUchiha o/

Madara Uchiha

\o/

Eric

/o\

Why did we decide to do two episodes this week?

Logan M

It's hard to talk about a single 20-minute episode of anime for a lot longer than 20 minutes without the conversation devolving to "I like pancakes".

Eric

@LoganM I love pancakes.

Logan M

Krazer

16:37

Logan M

Eric

That is my favorite mistranslation ever. It's fantastic.

@Krazer True facts!

Logan M

@Eric That is an accurate translation.

Eric

@LoganM Perhaps an accurate transliteration.

Logan M

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(sorry for low quality. Apparently no one on YT cares about Kirarin Revolution)

StackedCrooked

17:34

I care.

iKlsR

17:57

@Eric I recently downloaded the Android SDK and have been poking around.. know any good blogs I can follow?

Eric

@iKlsR The only one I've really checked out is the Android Developers Blog. Aside from that, just peruse SO's android tag and you'll pick it up quickly.

iKlsR

@Eric nice. thanks.

Eric

@iKlsR Good luck~

Krazer

18:10

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JNat

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Sakamoto

18:48

0

Q: What happened to Retsu's doll at the clothing shop?

In the Hunter X Hunter: Phantom Rouge movie, what happened to Retsu's doll when she activates it after on and Killua step out to talk? We never see any one exit the shop after Gon and Killua. Did she swap places with her doll? She mentions she "left her doll in the shop for safekeeping," what e...

hunter-x-hunter

Sakamoto

20:54

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Q: How could Naruto twist his ankle?

Well, when Naruto was fighting Sasuke at the Valley of the End, Sasuke popped a hole in his shoulder, to prevent him from using the Rasengan. Naruto, in response, activated his Nine-tails chakra (to less than one tail), and the hole healed so fast it was actually visibly closed. A few years i...

naruto

Logan M

21:30

Anyone know a good freeware program that I can use to make gifs of scenes from anime videos? Unless we get embedded youtube videos I'd rather just post gifs of short scenes and for an answer I'm working on such a gif would be very useful.

Madara Uchiha

@LoganM I had one of those

But forgot the name :|

A really good one too, could take timed SS off the screen to make 'em, could transform movie files etc

Logan M

If you remember tell me. I'm doing it right now by manually copying every frame and compiling them together at the end.

Jon Lin

21:56

mplayer

only problem is sometimes you get some weird dithering

# mplayer video.avi -ss 1:30 -endpos 0:20 -vo gif89a:fps=15:output=video.gif

will create a gif called "video.gif" using frames from "video.avi" starting from 1 min 30 seconds in, and a duration of 20 seconds

Logan M

@JonLin Thanks I'll try that.

Jon Lin

if the dithering is a problem, then you'll have to dump the frames using -vo png (or however you were dumping frames before), using ImageMagick's "convert" to turn them into indexed color, then use "convert" to create the gif: imagemagick.org/Usage/anim_basics

that's essentially just doing the work of what you were doing by hand

Sakamoto

22:21

0

Q: Is The Wolverine movie and anime are using the same storyline?

Is The Wolverine movie that showing now on the theater and the 2011 wolverine anime series is based on the same plot? From the trailers I can tell they definitely looks similar.

wolverine

JNat

23:04

@JonLin in the last paragraph you mean that the anime is more faithful to the GN than the movie?

Jon Lin

yes, did I type that wrong?

JNat

@JonLin You wrote "I've never read the original graphic novels, but according to this blog post, they're more faithful to the original novels than the movie series."

Jon Lin

ok, clarified

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