well how about that, my laptop arrived already!

@Zanna That was fast! :)

exciting

I think I have one more penguin sticker somewhere to put on the super key (obviously the most essential thing to do when getting a new PC)

That's one small penguin sticker.

So does it run Ubuntu okay?

I mean the laptop, not the penguin sticker. :)

the penguin sticker might run Ubuntu better than my old laptop

You should use that penguin sticker as your Git server.

:D

wow windows is annoying

Is that to say you've not put Ubuntu on it yet? Or that you've decided to dual-boot?

@Zanna I am curious to know which convention for what a sentence is, formally, is the one you prefer.

Because I intend to use that terminology when discussing formal logic with you here.

In this context I have no preference; I'm comfortable with both, as I mentioned, and lately I've deliberately been using the convention that I generally don't prefer.

@EliahKagan my laptop-needing friend would like me to dual boot so he can use Office occasionally until he gets a new laptop

so, I was going through the setup to repartition from inside

I even accepted the license agreement

but then they wanted me to create a Microsoft account

I was like, nope

but there was no way out of that screen except holding down the power button for a long time

I also use Windows, and I have found there is no need to have a Microsoft account.

I do have one, but Windows, including Windows 10, works fine without any information about it.

I couldn't bypass it

It wouldn't happen to let you use your GitHub account, would it?

My guess is it doesn't, but Microsoft owns GitHub...

haha maybe

One thing that might interest you is... Windows actually supports live environments.

I will let my friend use it if he wants to. I'm not touching it

I'm not talking about WinPE.

omg there is no tap to click

I need tap to click

I cannot live without that

In what?

Lubuntu live

It should be possible to enable it.

Anyway the Windows live environment I was thinking of was Windows To Go. I was thinking this might make it so you don't need to have Windows installed (if you don't want it installed), while still enabling your friend to use the machine to run Windows. I am not sure if that would be reasonable for your needs. I have not personally used it.

Also, it's apparently being phased out... but slowly, so I expect it to continue working for quite some time.

Which release of Lubuntu are you using?

19.10

Cool.

@Zanna Apparently the setup utility in the newest versions of Windows 10 will only offer the option to create a local account (instead of using a Microsoft account) if they don't detect a working Internet connection. :(

*if it doesn't detect

@Zanna How do you like LXQt? I mean, besides tap-to-click not working (and being enabled) out of the box in the live environment.

@EliahKagan I had to connect to internet first, which I didn't want to do

@EliahKagan looks ok

@Zanna Hmm

idk how to enable tap to click

@Zanna Cool.

@Zanna Do these ways still work? I am not sure if they do or not.

Also, should that be considered a duplicate (as proposed)?

@EliahKagan yessss upvote for that one

installing O.O

it failed to resize partitions

guess I tried to shrink it too much

Oh.

btw it's using calamares instead of ubiquity

It does, yes. :)

I like it

If you have Windows installed and you want to keep it, I suggest shrinking the Windows partition from Windows before installing Ubuntu.

You don't have to but I've found it to be the more reliable way.

In Windows you can run diskmgmt.msc.

yes I wanted to do that

that's why I was trying to endure the windows setup

even if I shrink it much less, it fails with the same errors

You can also do that from a Windows preinstallation environment (the kind of Windows live environment that I was not suggesting to use for ordinary use of Windows applications).

@Zanna Hmm.

What were the errors?

Is it possible that it cannot shrink it because there are immovable files on the NTFS partition like hiberfil.sys?

That's another thing you can find out about and deal with in Windows, whilst keeping the Windows system working.

maybe

I shouldn't get ahead of myself here...

it says "cluster accounting failed"

...did you ever log in to Windows at all?

no

So you didn't disable fast startup in Windows?

I got stuck in the setup which was like a kiosk

I didn't want to create an account

Yeah.

I don't know a guaranteed safe way to make modifications to an NTFS partition that Windows has started using where Windows had fast startup enabled when it shut down.

so I switched it off

I've messed it up :)

But even without having completed the setup utility, perhaps you can boot Windows into safe mode?

Once it is safe to mount and access the NTFS partition readwrite from another system, you should be able to make modifications to it that will allow you to use the Windows system.

But before that I don't know of a way that I could recommend as safe.

I wanted to boot in safe mode but I couldn't see how to do that

I guess I'm lacking patience and I should leave it for today

I don't know how to do it in Windows 10 except starting from a successfully booted Windows 10 system.

I assume you can boot into Windows again and attempt to continue the installation.

So, in the setup utility, when it got to "Create a new account", there was nothing for "Sign in without a Microsoft account"?

nope

that's what I wanted to do

I will ask my friend because right now I just want to erase the disk. Irrational hatred of Windows

I won't offer any more suggestions at this time then. :)

Do you have any thoughts about sentences, formulas, and truth value?

This goes without saying, but it is okay if your thoughts are (or include) concerns or objections.

not yet... I thought, I'll get back to that when I can type properly

Okay.

Those are okay.

but I am so frustrated by not being able to type

I take it you're on your phone now?

@Zanna How big is the SSD?

256GB

on the old laptop

that is ample space for me :)

The new laptop's SSD is 256 GB and you're using the old laptop (not your phone) right now?

yes, sorry :(

No problem.

Especially since you don't have a working keyboard! :)

I got a little upset by my silliness with the new laptop

I should be sensible

thanks so much for the tap-to-click fix

when I'm marking exams I have to click many thousands of times

@Zanna Yes, generally so. However, I have no idea what thing you're saying is the sensible thing or in what way you consider that you have not been sensible.

@Zanna No problem!

I'm not sure how much space your friend's Windows software takes.

Or how much software came preinstalled in the Windows system.

I feel that my aversion to cooperating with Windows is a hindrance

It might be kind of tight.

@Zanna To maintaining a system with Windows on it, I guess it could be. Otherwise, probably not.

yeah, that is a concern... I'll explain a bit although I guess this is deeply boring

You can if you like.

There must be some way to get the Windows system to work without having a Microsoft account.

I don't know if you can do it through the setup utility or not.

this laptop, apparently, has a full version of Office

Oh okay.

And it's not a trial? Like, it won't stop working after a while or decrease in functionality?

you must know more about what it's worth than me, but I think Office became a terrible subscription service etc

I might not know more than you.

I mean there's Office 365.

I have a Windows 10 system but it doesn't have Microsoft Office installed on it.

@EliahKagan correct, it was advertised that way and has a promising sticker on it

Like a "With Microsoft Office, actually, under a plain reading of this sticker" sticker?

yes hahaha

Is it a small sticker?

Like, could you take it off and stick it on the Windows Super key?

Then you wouldn't have to find a penguin.

it's much bigger than the penguin sticker, but it's much smaller than some of the other stickers on my old laptop

actually I ran out of penguins but I have these...

anything with an international price is expensive to people here. Maybe the pricing is localized. But I don't really want to get rid of this Office if someone has an interest in using it

my current laptop has 32GB

(disk, not RAM lol)

I can manage with that. I have 9GB free on here (er, before I downloaded that iso). Later I can erase Windows

@EliahKagan I'll look into it tomorrow, or wait for my friend to come at the weekend

It probably has a recovery partition that can be used to reinstall Windows. I think that would include the software that ships with the machine but I am actually not sure. One possibility might be to remove Windows but keep that. I understand you want to keep Windows entirely, for the time being, though.

it looks like it does not have such a partition, but maybe the installer is mistaken

I'm not sure what it would show up as.

there was only one partition of significant size

perhaps the scale of the diagram misled me. I would expect at least 10 GB for a recovery partition

I didn't check thoroughly

@EliahKagan good idea

maybe if I run the setup again I'll find something useful before the dead end

If you feel like doing that, I think it might be useful. Because even if you don't find anything, a picture of the relevant screens should help in figuring out which information found online describes the version of the setup utility (I presume it varies across versions of Windows 10) you are using. But you should probably only do that at a time when you're not sick of doing it.

:)

I was curious, so I tried installing the latest version of Windows 10 in a virtual machine.

With an Internet connection, it did not give me an option to install with a local account.

But when I shut the virtual machine down and modified its virtual network adapter settings so it wouldn't have access to the Internet, the installer did allow me to install with a local account.

There was something to click, along the lines of "I don't have internet"

If you didn't see this or any other way to avoid connecting to the Internet to proceed, I would guess that it identified the presence of usable wireless networks. If you were to temporarily disable your wireless adapter, that might enable you to install it without having to have a Microsoft account. I don't know if your laptop provides a hardware switch for its wireless adapter, but if not then you may be able to disable it in the machine's firmware.