@Adamant Whatever. I'll just have to get a posse of right wingers to raise up 10 flags on every answer I don't like.

@phillip - you're the worst moderator possible. Try at least sometimes not moderating according to your political views. I doin't recall ever seeing you complain or delete a left wing insulting posts, if they had even a smidgen of actual answer. Yet you keep attacking my answers when they have a minor less than praise for left wing.

Everything in that answer was a fact backed up by links. Nothing was rude.

Unlike typical Politics answer you leave alone that goes "oh Republicans just want people to suffer"

Hint: you didn't even delete the question despite it being about 1000% more ranty than my answer. And FAR more insulting and rude.

@DVK-on-Ahch-To I have a better suggestion. Edit the question as I suggested, remove the parts that are not relevant and inaccurate or misleading. You’d have a strong argument for undeletion then.

I’m guessing that suggesting you’ll do the same thing in retaliation and insulting the moderators will likely result in things that won’t be very good.

Anyway, the answer did have some rude parts. Suggesting that “millenials” are being “brainwashed” probably qualifies. I’d not have deleted it, but I suppose it’s worth recognizing that.

@Adamant In other words, I have to cave in and remove facts from my answer because people are unhappy when a spade is called out as a spade. When far worse stuff gets a pass because it's politically popular with the gang of merry liberal voters here.

Whatever

@DVK-on-Ahch-To No. You can and should remove irrelevant information and unnecessary insults from your posts.

Millenials ARE being brainwashed. I went to college in USA. I am an expert at recognizing marxist brainwashing, having ALSO gone to college in fUSSR.

Again, I was merely stating the fact. Facts aren't insulting. (You may claim that the implication taht people are succeptible to brainwashing is insulting... fine, then delete the question which implies 100% same thing "because of Cold War propaganda")

@DVK-on-Ahch-To Sure. Fine. You believe that, just like Hillary believes that half of Trump’s voters are in the basket of deplorables. Great. But how is that relevant to an answer about why communism is considered evil? Your tangent explains why people who like communism don’t think it’s evil!

My point is that there is far more insulting content here that doesn't get deleted.

@Adamant Problem is, I didn't state belief. I stated a fact, backed up by a poll.

@DVK-on-Ahch-To Noooooo. Your facts were fine. I see some issues of interpretation, but they’re not rude in themselves. The issue is 1) that they’re answering a different question (Why do many American youth like communism despite the atrocities of communist regimes?) and 2) they do contain unnecessarily insulting language (To help you see that: Are millenials are brainwashed by the left, but you’re not brainwashed by the right?)

@Adamant - That's exactly what the question says. That people who see communism as evil are brainwashed by the right. Yet, that wasn't deleted even after flags AND moderators participating in both Qs and As

@DVK-on-Ahch-To The question actually doesn’t say that (though it might imply it by talking about “Cold War propaganda”). Certainly had I written it, I’d have taken a more neutral tone…. But, in any case, “Susie did it too” is hardly a good ethical argument.

If you object to the exact term "brainwashed", that's fine. "ideologically influenced".

To be clear, the question is definitely on the edge itself. It edges close toward stating a position, rather than seeking clarification.

@Adamant - no it's not. However, "susie did it too but only I got yelled at" is a good argument over ethiscs of discipline authority (parents or teacher) who isn't applying same standards equally.

@Adamant - I suggest you read version 1 of the question (from edit history) to understand why I'm so incensed over this.

> So why have Americans and other westerners not smartened up by now and understood what Communism is? Is the educative quality in the US so poor?

@DVK-on-Ahch-To That’s definitely comparable. However, the question has been edited to make it less opinionated and left up. This is precisely the path I propose for your answer.

@Adamant - bet you 50 rep that if I do that it still wouldn't get undeleted? (moreover, I explicitly suggested to Carpetsmoker and the rest if you critics to propose better wording. Nobody did)

@DVK-on-Ahch-To So, I have proposed better wording. I’ve also proposed an important change: making that whole section relevant to the question. Right now, even if it were edited to talk about “the ideological influence of Marxism in the social sciences“ instead of “brainwashing,” it would still bear an uncertain relation to the question.

Perhaps starting off with a heading or paragraph like “However, communism is not uniformly perceived as evil in the US. On the contrary, many younger Americans prefer socialism or communism to capitalism” would make it seem more relevant and less of a opinion statement.

Now, I do still see issues of interpretation with that data, but I hope that its accuracy isn’t relevant to making the answer presentable enough to be restored.

@DVK-on-Ahch-To - Maybe some other people on this site have their political biases! Sure. It’s probably guaranteed. Maybe they’re also evaluating the user, not the post (another no-no). But that’s not what I’m trying to solve now. And I know you can write objective answers, even on contentious issues, because I’ve seen them.

I don’t believe that you can’t write an answer that preserves your earlier points about the people killed, imprisoned, or oppressed by communist governments, while at the same time making the second section relevant and fair.

In fact, if it makes you feel any better, other answers contain similar language.

“This is why every communist state has been a totalitarian nightmare replete with rampant and gross human rights violations. That is the inevitable destiny of any communist regime because it is utterly and completely incompatible with individual freedom and conscience.”

The whole Q&A is a mess. Honestly, I can’t see an answer that’s both good and neutral among them. Including the question, especially looking at the edit history. But let’s face it: Besides Cold War propaganda (which did exist), the first half of your answer is precisely why many people don’t like communism in the US. It’s worth restoring, in a better form, for that reason alone.

@Adamant - OK edited out brainwashing and edited in the specific stats for Millenials (which i somehow never put in originally)

@DVK-on-Ahch-To Right. Great. Did you also make the connection between the two parts clear with a paragraph similar to the one I suggested (e.g. “Communism is actually pretty popular in the US, and here’s some evidence”)?

Remember, the point of this is to get the useful points you made restored. :) Not to prove that the site is biased by not getting it undeleted.

@Adamant - i'm not sure where to stick that...

at the start? or before that section?

Right at the beginning of the second section.

And definitely let’s not retain any implication that people learning different philosophies (however damaging) is brainwashing. :) I’d personally talk about the prevalence of philosophies influenced by conflict theory in academia, which is turn is heavily influenced by Marxism.

Note that this isn’t the argument I would make: this is a Be Nice version of the argument that I think you were making.

My goal isn’t to turn your answer into my answer - it’s to put it in a form where you can reasonably say on Meta, “This should be undeleted” (and actually get it undeleted, too).

Done

@DVK-on-Ahch-To Can I see a version of it? I don’t have enough reputation on here.

@Adamant - as soon as I figure a way to do that short of posting a junk answer somewhere

@DVK-on-Ahch-To Screenshot uploaded to imgur

@Adamant OK i may have been overthinking that :( :)

I was looking for free Markup scracthpad online

@Adamant - try this pls

scratchpad.io/pink-zipper-8553

@DVK-on-Ahch-To Nice markup editor. :) Unfortunately, it almost seems like you’re doubling down on the whole opinion thing there.

Good: “Secondly, Communism is actually pretty popular in the US/West, especially among millennials”

Bad: “who clearly don’t understand what Communism is”

(I can delete those messages if you’d rather keep it private).

Very bad: “Or, for those who do understand and know the facts, they simply refuse to judge Communism by its actual record instead of some theoretical imaginary goals, as evidenced even by some answers/comments on this Q&A.”

The good parts give information, the bad parts throw a few jabs at people, and the very bad part insults other posters on this site!

I can’t help but think that you’re not taking this seriously!

@Adamant - I was referring to Blip's comments and answers. They very explicitly do exactly what's stated

"communism isn't bad, it was just badly implemented"

I’ve given my advice on what I think would make the answer good, and what would get it undeleted. I’m fairly confident that the issue here is more that what you want out of the answer and what I think would make it neutral are simply two different things.

The goals isn't to insult anyone, it's to show that even here on this site people do that

And I'm sorry but how exactly is thinking that GWB killed more people than stalin anything BUT "clearly don’t understand what Communism is” ?

@DVK-on-Ahch-To Ugghh. Look, you’ve written, “Just the facts, sir” answers before.

Here’s one: politics.stackexchange.com/a/2501/14853

@Adamant but fine, i'll delete it if you're so upset with me pointing out that people do say that on the site (which is 100% true, actually in comments to my own answer)

@DVK-on-Ahch-To Delete it? It’s already been deleted.

I meant that sentence about examples on the site

@DVK-on-Ahch-To That’d be a start. But the whole thing has even more targets now than your first answer.

@Adamant - how so? I took out every single thing that someone can interpret as rude or insulting. I backed up every subjective sounding statement with a frigging POLL (not just some guess)

Can you just write the answer without saying (a) that anyone’s wrong (even if they are), (b) that anyone’s foolish, or (c) that anyone’s biased? Yes, I know that the question doesn’t do this. Yes, I know that some of the other answers don’t do this. But I refuse to believe that your various answers that don’t do this are just coincidence.

@Adamant - what is wrong with stating that provably biased people are biased?

@DVK-on-Ahch-To You know, who knows if there’s anything morally wrong with it? But I’ll just tell you two things that I believe to be true: First, the best answers don’t inject one’s feelings toward the subjects. Two, there’s no way that the answer will undeleted in its current form.

scratchpad.io/pink-zipper-8553

I’ve shared my feelings here. Maybe you’ll be able to use what I say to get your answer undeleted, maybe not. But I’ve spent a lot of time on this, and I have other things that I should get to.

I’m sorry, but I do have to go.

@Adamant - shrug. I appreciate your effort. But I refuse to just delete valid informative parts of the answer just on the account of people being bothered by the facts.

Thanks for better wording

@Adamant - here's an example of an "answer" that doesn't even attempt to answer the question. Flagged as such, no effect. So you'll excuse my skepticism that any content that is disputing the question's premise rather than directly answers it is worthy of deletion.

@Adamant - here's an answer which basically insinuates that 1% of Trump supporters would resort to violence if he lost. Flag not actioned.

@Adamant - this answer says "conservatives are distrustful of science". Flagged, tied to edit - no effect.

@Adamant - this answer claims that anyone opposing Obama is either racist or homophobic in motivation

@Adamant - in case moderators delete the above comments because they are calling out specific posts (which sometimes is not welcomed); the summary is that in 30 min I was able to find 3 posts far more offensive than anything my answer said, and another one that is not just "some extra stuff added to rebuff question's invalid premise" but is 100% consisting of rebuffing what is thought of as invalid premise of the question (while being wrong, to boot)

This is addressing your earlier point of why I was less than polite to the moderator who deleted my answer. Which still doesn't excuse my rudeness, granted.

But the point is, only things not complimentary to the left seem like they are likely to be deleted or castigated despite being a good answer, from my experience.