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hyper-neutrino

05:22

oh wait wardens don't even give anything?

damn i thought they were somewhat similar to withers / dragons in that you could trigger them to get end game stuff

nvm then rip

hyper-neutrino

05:39

ok well i just tried 1v1ing a warden in full prot 4 netherite with a sharp 5 axe and failed so

kek

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Skulk catalysts

@hyper-neutrino You can beat one by standing on a 3 block pillar and hitting it with a decent weapon and strength 2

hyper-neutrino

you can get those with silk touch tho can't you?

emanresu A

(source: r/minecraft)

hyper-neutrino

@emanresuA right i forgot to give myself strength for the test - won't it just sonic boom you though?

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, but this is a renewable source for all the redstoners out there

hyper-neutrino

05:40

ah

fair

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, but if you can kill it before it hits you three times you're fine

hyper-neutrino

i mean to be fair i've never seen one in action (just looked at the wiki page) before i spawned it in so

emanresu A

(You can take a third hit with a regular gapple, or last foreverish with regen 2)

hyper-neutrino

i just wanted to test how it'd feel to face one by surprise without knowing what to do lol

emanresu A

And the answer is: very scary

I haven't actually tried fighting one myself

I'm terrible at boss fights - when fighting the wither I overall healed it

hyper-neutrino

05:42

lol

emanresu A

(I hit it once or twice with my sword but gave it about thirty hearts from wither)

My 20+ iron golems took care of it.

hyper-neutrino

wait it heals from withering you?

emanresu A

I think so

It heals from withering other mobs iirc

hyper-neutrino

it regens 1HP per second

and if it scores a direct killing blow on anything it heals 5HP

TBF since the wither is summoned by the player you can trap it to get an easy kill on it

emanresu A

Nvm, got mixed up

The wither is a lot harder in bedrock tho

afaik you can't trap it, and if you could you'd still have to deal with the wither skeletons it spawns at half health

hyper-neutrino

05:46

ah

yeah it also has twice as much HP lol

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wow

emanresu A

Yeah :|

hyper-neutrino

full netherite vs warden

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yeah i do not want to deal with this

everything about it is just very not fun

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i feel like a boss that the player summons of their own accord but can't be cheesed with a build just doesn't make sense in a game like minecraft

like the combat system is bare fucking bones

so you have to lean into the building one way or another

hyper-neutrino

cutting vision, bypassing shields and armor on its sonic boom, disabling shields with its melee, literally full knockback immunity

kekw

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05:49

lmao what

hyper-neutrino

yeah it inflicts darkness on you

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wow

hyper-neutrino

its ranged attack completely bypasses shields and armor and can only be resisted by protection and resistance

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Honestly surprised you lasted that long

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i didn't even know that effect was used by anything

hyper-neutrino

05:50

its melee will knock down shields like axe spring / brutes / pillagers can

emanresu A

With more cautiousness and gapples you probably couldn't've beaten it

hyper-neutrino

and it doesn't take any KB

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wow

hyper-neutrino

@emanresuA chugging gapples helps lol

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wait isn't the warden designed as something you just plain want to avoid

hyper-neutrino

05:50

if i had pots i probably could've beaten it

@UnrelatedString yep, only reason to fight one is to have a renewable source of sculk sensors like emanresu said

emanresu A

*catalysts

hyper-neutrino

they drop 5 whole XP

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so it's something you don't want to avoid

hyper-neutrino

i meant catalysts oops

@UnrelatedString well if you need a lot of catalysts then you want to summon one and kill it, and likely not by taking a fair fight against it but by cheesing it with a pillar

sorta like how you only summon the wither if you want beacons

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wait is pillar cheese somehow disabled by default

emanresu A

05:52

ilmango's probably built a high-speed afk warden farm alreadhy

@UnrelatedString Nah, more just sonic boom

hyper-neutrino

BTW

the sonic boom goes through blocks lol

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~~i'd think the bigger problem for a vertical strategy would be flash kick~~

hyper-neutrino

if you have a netherite axe and strength 2 and stand on a pillar you can probably kill it before it can kill you

it's definitely very endgame stuff cuz like

you can't even cheese it by using a hit-their-feet trap cuz it'll just sonic boom you through the wall

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damn

emanresu A

It's very slightly balanced by their poor sight and navigation

hyper-neutrino

05:56

so yeah, unless you're very well prepared and need to farm sculk catalysts, there's just no reason to deal with this lol

^^ yeah true, even if you accidentally trigger one you can just hide or sneak past it and wait for it to leave after 60s since it can't actually see you

or you can throw snowballs at a wall to divert it

emanresu A

Yeah

hyper-neutrino

once it's aggro'd it can smell you and track you properly right?

emanresu A

Yep

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wait does it actually just chase snowballs
that sounds amazing

hyper-neutrino

also its sound design is sick - just sounds really cool but also it really adds to the terror part of the experience

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05:57

nice

hyper-neutrino

@UnrelatedString until it smells you, it tracks vibrations since it's blind

emanresu A

You could probably set up a decent farm with one of those ender-dragon killers

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ah

hyper-neutrino

so if you hit the wall with projectiles it won't know where you are lol

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so within a certain range it stops just going by sound

hyper-neutrino

05:58

once it reaches 80/150 anger with a target it'll become alerted and pathfind to the target properly and ignore vibrations

the mechanic is slightly complicated

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ah

hyper-neutrino

if a projectile causes a vibration it adds 10 anger to that source, if something else causes a vibration it adds 35, if two projectiles happen within 5 seconds it adds 35 anger, if a mob hurts the warden it adds 100, and if a mob walks into the warden it adds 35

anger decays at a rate of 1/s

also, regardless of if the warden is angry at other things, players can override that and if they make the warden angry it tracks the player instead

prob easier to just look at the wiki page :P but yeah apparently it'll attack everything else except other wardens and will also follow things like projectiles and minecarts

so i believe there should be a way to make a warden farm using minecarts

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sounds like it

hyper-neutrino

warden only appears if there is no other warden within 48 blocks

emanresu A

What's the range for vibrations to summon a warden?

hyper-neutrino

06:03

sculk shriekers look like blocks and not living things but their shrieks sound eerily like a living thing

i wonder what the lore behind their existence is

minecraft doesn't really have lore explaining how things like the end, bastions, fortresses, piglins, etc. came to be or their history does it?

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hell no

hyper-neutrino

@emanresuA at warning level 3, a shrieker attempts to summon a warden in a 11x13x11 box centered around itself

there is one slight issue

shriekers that are generated by a catalyst or placed by a player cannot summon wardens

so you have to build this around a naturally occuring shrieker it seems?

emanresu A

Yep

Or maybe you might be able to push them

hyper-neutrino

unless it's pushable

emanresu A

ninja'd lol

It looks like you can trigger shriekers with sensors

Since sensors can trigger other sensors, you can have a basically unlimited amount of wardens at once within render distance

hyper-neutrino

06:08

hmm interesting

uh

the player has to be within 16 blocks of a shrieker for it to actually summon

and if it's triggered by redstone and the player is too far it just won't shriek

emanresu A

... never mind

hyper-neutrino

i think you can put the player on a minecart and activate shriekers with activator rails and as long as the player stays within the 16 block radius for long enough it should summon a warden

and then you just need to kill it before it gives up and leaves the area

emanresu A

Apparently there's a 10s cooldown per player between activations

But idk if that applies to redstone activations

hyper-neutrino

hmm

probably

i'm looking forward to dream's "1 speedrunner vs 6 hunters" where he traps the hunters with a warden that decimates them all

:P

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redstone activations might just count as a player

reminds me it has been so fucking long since my friends have done that shit

it's actually so fun

except for that guy who played like two games total then ragequit because i camped a nether portal and just punched him out of it when he came through

hyper-neutrino

06:16

bruh

BTW what is the point of a sculk catalyst

like ik it generates sculk stuff from nearby mob deaths but what exactly is the purpose, just to farm sculk blocks/sensors/whatever?

emanresu A

I guess yeah

sculk blocks drop xp

hyper-neutrino

hm

why not just grind the mobs for their xp itself

emanresu A

storable xp

@hyper-neutrino I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he uses a tnt duper at some point

hyper-neutrino

lol

the manhunt videos are actually so entertaining to watch

emanresu A

Getting the dead fan coral might be a bit tricky tho

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06:20

i was one of i think just two hunters that game and we'd actually been building a base to just keep running at him from since he got enough of a lead that we couldn't just keep chasing straight, and then he actually breached that base, stole our stuff, and broke our beds
and we had our nether portal sealed up
i forget the exact circumstances but i managed to make it through with a completely empty inventory then just sat there for like five minutes giggling slightly

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, at this point I don't even care if they're scripted

hyper-neutrino

wait you need that for a duper?

emanresu A

Something else might work as a replacement

hyper-neutrino

@UnrelatedString lmao

emanresu A

Also I might have figured out a counter-counter-flying machine strat: decoys with armor stands

hyper-neutrino

06:22

hmm

like make a flying machine with an armor stand so the hunters chase it to try to stop it not realizing you're not in it?

emanresu A

Yep

Tried manhunt against my brother once or twice. As a runner he's a sore loser, as a hunter I built a base at the world height limit and just kept killing him

Problem is, there's nothing stopping us from running far, far away

Because neither of us us a good speedrunner, so we were just doing "survive for a certain amount of time".

hyper-neutrino

i don't actually know if i've actually ever beaten minecraft

emanresu A

I have once, it took me ages and I died so many times, mostly in the fight itself

@emanresuA a lot of the time, he just died of his own accord

hyper-neutrino

i don't think dream's died from something not caused by a hunter in manhunt has he

granted if he did it probably wouldn't make it to a video cuz that'd be kinda boring

emanresu A

He failed an mlg in a spinoff once

hyper-neutrino

06:29

ah lol

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meanwhile in our games the hunted literally never won, not because we're any good at hunting but because we all suck too much to even make it to the end

hyper-neutrino

lmao mood

dream's clutches are insane tho like even if it was scripted pulling off that boat clutch where he crafted it while falling is just insane lol

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i think sometimes someone would get far enough through piglin trades to hypothetically make it to the end but then they'd just get fucked trying to get back to the overworld

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino I don't think the final one could've been scripted

It relied on so much luck

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are we talking bizarre unforeseeable circumstances or are we talking totally legit drop rates

emanresu A

06:34

the former

hyper-neutrino

which one was this again, the stasis one?

emanresu A

The very last one

Watch the last three minutes or so and you'll see what I mean

hyper-neutrino

Minecraft Speedrunner VS 5 Hunters GRAND FINALE.

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is it this one

emanresu A

yes

hyper-neutrino

oh wait it's not the stasis one, i remember which one this is

emanresu A

06:40

The stasis one was clever but not lucky (unless you count having a spare pearl as lucky)

hyper-neutrino

yeah

i do wonder though

how did the chunk stay loaded, or does it not need to, or does the pearl keep the chunk loaded

emanresu A

I think the last

Stasis chambers do normally work over long distances, you can check out the specifics

reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/jcxw2c/…

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