CG&CC-gaming

Martin Ender

00:08

@NathanMerrill you're aware that TPs are cheaper next to another player?

if you didn't upgrade next to me because I'd be gaining power, then it's also worth considering that at 4 PW I'd be spending 3 VP on it, which I think is quite a lot.

Nathan Merrill

@MartinEnder yes. I didn't want to give you a bunch of power

its also a bunch of power early on

Maybe next round or something

Also, I played a game as the swarmlings: I hate them. I can't stand that all of their stuff costs more workers

And gold

Martin Ender

that's true, but they also start with an insane amount of resources

Nathan Merrill

Yeah. I don't think I came out even still

Nathan Merrill

00:34

Yeah: I think if you had 4 pw right now, you'd be able to make those 3 points up

Martin Ender

12:42

The Guardian had a neat article about a variant of nonograms that feels a bit like Tametsi with the contiguous hints from Hexcells. (Although there's two more conditions that don't really exist in either Tametsi or Hexcells.)

The four puzzles in the article aren't very hard, but Sp3000 sent me a few that are more at Tametsi's level of difficulty: pzv.jp/p.html?tapa/18/10/…, pzv.jp/p.html?tapa/10/6/3qb0g.qa0gb0ha0ga0qa0gb0q3, pzv.jp/p.html?tapa/11/11/…

Eric Tressler

@MartinEnder cool! I just noticed your message as I'm heading out the door for work, but I'll check these out when I get home

Martin Ender

(worth noting that question marks are actually a useful hint here, because the number of question marks still indicates the number of contiguous neighbours)

Nathan Merrill

13:15

@MartinEnder -Town size: does that refer to the number of buildings or the sum of the buildings?

Martin Ender

the favour tile? to the sum of building powers.

wait

let me double check

ah yeah

favour tile reduces the amount of power you need for a town to 6, and a sanctuary effectively counts as two buildings, so a town containing it only needs 3 buildings (with 6 or 7 power)

Nathan Merrill

13:36

@MartinEnder that's a lot of burned power for a religion-heavy faction

Martin Ender

yeah, but I'm screwed if you build there first

Nathan Merrill

I didn't have the resources to build there, but I was planning on converting the terrain :P

Martin Ender

Although I think xnor said to me once that burning down to 8 is quite normal, so I think 7 is probably still within reason.

Nathan Merrill

14:00

...I feel like I found a bug (or I misunderstand the rules)

oooh, nevermind

Martin Ender

what was it?

Nathan Merrill

I forgot that the upper religion building counts as 3, not 4

Martin Ender

15:22

@NathanMerrill fair warning, you won't get any VP for a cult track on which you're still sitting at zero.

Nathan Merrill

yeah, I know

Nathan Merrill

15:41

@MartinEnder I don't understand. Why am I not able to leech twice

that feels like a bug

Martin Ender

@NathanMerrill leech twice?

Nathan Merrill

oh....my bad

I thought you upgraded twice next to me

Riker

are you guys playing online?

..yep

Martin Ender

16:07

@NathanMerrill btw, the window does autorefresh when it's your turn again

(probably just not immediately)

Nathan Merrill

16:46

@MartinEnder ah, you didn't take my generous offer of 5 power?

Martin Ender

I'm fine, thanks :P

Nathan Merrill

I'm confused

why did you go there?

like, it doesn't affect me at all, but that was a costly dig, no?

Martin Ender

I have no 1-spade digs available

and it makes my TP cheaper

Nathan Merrill

do you get points for TPs?

oh, next round

:)

Martin Ender

17:03

btw, during the last round, the UI will project victory points

Nathan Merrill

17:15

@MartinEnder I don't need that

I know you've already won

El'endia Starman

Yeah, that was the impression I got despite still knowing very little about the game.

Nathan Merrill

there were several points where I missed something.
1. I shouldn't have gone digging first. I did that theorycrafting when I was debating about swarmlings, but when I decided on the nomads, I forgot that they have the sandstorm.
2. I should have nabbed that tile you bridged to earlier. I had you surrounded good.
3. I miscalculated the number of points I had for towns (counting religious buildings for 1 more than they are worth)

Nathan Merrill

18:11

anyways, I've now played 3 games of TM, and I think that that's enough experience to say that I really don't enjoy the game. Really, the two mechanics that I think are interesting is the map, and the power cycle, but pretty much everything else, I don't really enjoy

Martin Ender

that's fair enough. :) good thing then that you tried it online before buying.

Nathan Merrill

yep

Nathan Merrill

19:49

...I can't take the same favor twice

I didn't know that

Martin Ender

yeah, that's correct though

Martin Ender

20:45

@NathanMerrill a score over 100 VP is actually pretty decent for your first game :)

Christopher

20:56

@Mego breaths out of nose loudly

Nathan Merrill

@MartinEnder I'm not sure if its fair to call it my first game

I played 2 games during that one

Christopher

XD

Martin Ender

still

Christopher

and he arrives

@MartinEnder are you always on??

Nathan Merrill

I actually was really close to making a third town

I was planning it out, until I realized I didn't have enough houses

Martin Ender

21:05

@Christopher when I sleep I'd consider myself off. (my computer occasionally is still on, though...)

Christopher

hahah

Nathan Merrill

a huge reason this chat is successful (for me) is because of pings.

they exist, and they aren't annoying

Christopher

@NathanMerrill interesting

Nathan Merrill

and they persist (which is the biggest problem I have with IRC)

Christopher

yeah

irc = i recall

more like NRC (no recall )

Pavel

21:08

No, iirc is if i recall corectly

Christopher

it was a IRC no persistant ping joke :P

@Pavel you going to go to Ti8?

Nathan Merrill

you would actually go? going to an esport event sounds terrible.

Pavel

@Christopher Hopefully

Christopher

@NathanMerrill yeahh

it sounds amazing

@Pavel if i go and you go I want to meet once and do a 1v1 mid

Nathan Merrill

is it really about the social aspect?

Pavel

21:11

@NathanMerrill It's not just a competition, it's basically a week-long Dota convention

Christopher

yeah

@NathanMerrill i mean it is a convetion and super hype

Nathan Merrill

@Pavel oh, I know. But going to a convention to talk to a bunch of other people about Dota sounds like no fun

Christopher

you can meet the cool dota personalities like Slacks

@NathanMerrill perhaps the thing is you don't play dota?

Pavel

Last year I was there from 6AM to 11 PM and I was bored at no point during that day.

Christopher

:P

@Pavel if i go i am going every day all day XD

Nathan Merrill

21:12

@Christopher I used to play, and I still watch some streams

Christopher

huh

I mean meeting new people and nerding out for a week¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Pavel

Also, loot

Christopher

yeah

Nathan Merrill

yeah, social interactions and small fluffy characters hold no weight to me

Christopher

:|

Pavel

21:14

Anyway, it's right in the middle of Seattle, so it's a perfect opportunity to explore the city as well.

Christopher

yeah

though

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill People? Bah!

Christopher

reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/7tov67/…

Nathan Merrill

I like TI. I enjoy picking my favorite team, and hoping that somebody will actually play techies decently.

Pavel

Being there really does come with excitement you don't get from Twitch

Nathan Merrill

21:15

but aside from the games, there's really not much for me

oh, and I like the all stars game

although last year's was terrible

Pavel

Yes it was

TI6 has the best all-star game

Nathan Merrill

what was the TI6 one?

was that the 10v10?

Pavel

@NathanMerrill 10v10. Pros picked from the crowd, and managed to accidentally pick a cosplaying Dendi

Nathan Merrill

"accidentally"

Pavel

Well you couldn't tell it was him

He was wearing a full pudge suit

Nathan Merrill

21:18

and they introduced pit lord too, right?

Pavel

So the anouncers had no idea

Yep

Nathan Merrill

I remember them trying to hype the atrophy aura in 10v10, and just not being impressed

Pavel

Wait no wat Pit Lord was TI7

Sorry

TI6 was introducing custom games overall

Nathan Merrill

my favorite was still TI 5. Because techies

Christopher

report

Nathan Merrill

21:24

wait...I was looking it up...it was 10 v 10 in TI 5 too

...and TI 4 had techies.

yeah, I have no idea which one I liked, and I don't have the time to watch them.

Christopher

xd

HyperNeutrino

21:58

i accidentally pressed Ctrl-W expecting it to make me move faster o_O

Christopher

??

DJMcMayhem

@HyperNeutrino Ctrl to Sprint?

HyperNeutrino

(minecraft)

DJMcMayhem

sigh everyone knows it should be shift

HyperNeutrino

why...?

Christopher

21:59

@DJMcMayhem no

it is R

DJMcMayhem

That's actually one thing that drives me crazy about Minecraft

HyperNeutrino

then just reconfig keybindings

Christopher

help doors broke

HyperNeutrino

give each room a list of references to the rooms to which its doors go

Christopher

OMG

it doesn't need to be ready until 2nd week of march

HyperNeutrino

22:00

make like a map of {door -> room}

@Christopher nice

Christopher

screw that teacher

still gonna do it fast though

DJMcMayhem

@HyperNeutrino I tried that. I ended up sprinting off of large drops all the time...

Christopher

what if, i gave every door it's own collision case

HyperNeutrino

(? teacher's fault you didn't read due date properly?)

Christopher

no

teacher told me wrong date and I just found where to check

HyperNeutrino

22:01

@DJMcMayhem oh lol. wait if you think shift should be sprint why would you still fall off o_O

@Christopher o lol ok

DJMcMayhem

Still, every FPS game ever has shift to run, Ctrl or c to crouch. MC has literally no reason to swap them

@HyperNeutrino Because my brain has associated the stupid backwards controls with MC

HyperNeutrino

o ok

Christopher

haha

HyperNeutrino

I find it easier to press "Shift" on a timed cycle than "Ctrl" but that's just me

Christopher

@DJMcMayhem move this do PPCG gaming?

DJMcMayhem

22:03

@Christopher Mobile

HyperNeutrino

@Christopher just make it so if you're trying to move against a thing with a hit-box and that thing is a door, then go through the door

Christopher

almost @ 600 hours in dota

DJMcMayhem

@HyperNeutrino what do you mean?

Christopher

@HyperNeutrino that is not the hard part

HyperNeutrino

@DJMcMayhem speedbridging

Christopher

22:03

the reference thingy is

Dennis are you watching us?

HyperNeutrino

why do you ask

Christopher

he can move

but not worth a ping

DJMcMayhem

IMO sprinting is more frequently useful than crouching in 95% of games (MC included)

HyperNeutrino

oh ok

Christopher

anyways the doors are broke

@DJMcMayhem o'rly

HyperNeutrino

22:05

@DJMcMayhem I mean I shift a lot in MC minigames like bedwars because bridging and also reducing KB and hiding nametag, but I also shift in survival minecraft (inventory management). But I probably sprint considerably more.

DJMcMayhem

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Riker

@DJMcMayhem ikr I had to rebind that

I also rebound t for chat to y, that's just because I'm used to tf2

Christopher

y

DJMcMayhem

23:03

@Christopher Which BL games do you play?

I never tried one

Christopher

All but 1

DJMcMayhem

Oh ok lol

I think 2 is much better than pre sequel

Christopher

yeah i feel that

much more open feeling

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