stockfish vs stockfish

also 4 mistake 1 blunder according to stockfish

lol what

it end up in a stalemate as stockfish repeating over same position despite having advantage

@AidenChow ikr

it feels like you have to dispel the gore horn, but then you either don't get a backstab off with it at all or hit one of the enemy minions before dispelling it

and neither solves the artifact issue

anyone here play rhythm games?

I've played a bit of Piano Tiles Umod, Quaver and Clone Hero

i play muse dash occasionally

muse dash and quaver is nice, clone hero looks very hard to learn in my opinion

what is piano tile Umod

ultra mod or something?

It's a modded version of piano tiles 2

discord.gg/rvNvbhNGfB

Normal piano tiles 2 has a very limited song choice + a lot of microtransactions

Umod has no microtransactions and a hella lot of customs

Android only though because side loading

@Niko I play all taps with keyboard

Because no plastic guitar controller

So I just use keyboard

And have the controls mapped to a quaver-like set up

At least, I would if it worked properly on win11

so 5k/6k basically?

Basically

Although I only use 4k because the 5k charts are way too crazy hard

At least, the 5k charts of the songs I like are way too crazy hard for keyboard

Doesn't help that said charts are purposefully crazy hard on expert mode lol

lol

i was practicing 5k/6k on osu mania before

but there have almost no chart for 5k and 6k, people are obsessed with 4k/7k

@UnrelatedString yea its annoying that dispel get rid of the backstab

like how da hell is 18 dmg even possible

only way to not trigger the heal on the enemy general is backstab

but the one minion that has backstab cant be re-activated after it attacks

@Niko lol did u have an engine up while playing or what happen

@AidenChow engine up

ah ok

lemme send u a friend request real quick lol

pog

pogg

i mainly play variants on chess.com but i do some occasional low rated trolling, so thats why my rating is 100 lol

@UnrelatedString wait but if u hit a minion with gore horn u cant activate it again right

i feel like thats not the move

@AidenChow you'd be able to activate it again if you dispelled it after hitting, but i still can't imagine that being useful because whatever it hits would also have to not be dispelled

@UnrelatedString oh does it not keep its attack after dispelling?

yeah

didnt realize that, interesting

@AidenChow ignoring everything the enemy has, i think the raw damage cap is as high as 29, but even just adding the artifacts back in the mix that only allows for one proc of the healing

which also means only 5 damage total can be done to the minions

which i guess is where the deathstrike seal could come in if the celestial phantom dies and/or has to be dispelled to not burn an inner focus

also come to think of it i guess that is enough margin that it could be fine to not dispel the spectral revenant in the way before killing it, because that's only losing one of the masks of shadows

ok bruh lemme pull up the actual puzzle, im trying to picture what u r saying in my head but idk any of the enemy names lol

celestial phantom is the 1/5 that kills any minion it damages; spectral revenant is the 6/6 that damages you for 4 when it damages a minion

@UnrelatedString how tf u gonna deal 18 dmg without one of the backstab 3 artifact

idk about that one

thinking backwards from the best case of 29, it's at least abstractly possible :P

@UnrelatedString bruh r u saying the strat is to dispel the 1 5 and add back the effect

it might be :P

i was just moving the guy out of the way and then re-activating

the 29 being 2 general base attack + 6 artifact backstab + 5 keshrai fanblade + 1 celestial phantom + 3 gore horn + 2 gore horn backstab + 1 mist dragon seal + 3*3 inner focus on mix of lightbender and dispelled gore horn

yeah that's what i was leaning too

@UnrelatedString ok but factoring the healing artifacts in and half those attacks result in net positive for the enemy

yep :P

though it still wins if we somehow get two backstabs in

cant think of a way to get gore horn to do two backstab, thats the issue

gore horn can't do two backstabs but a gore horn backstab and a general backstab would do it

or, hypothetically, a general attack that doesn't backstab, but it's mathematically impossible to win that way :P

wait how much health does the enemy have again?

18

which is effectively 24

@UnrelatedString doesnt gore horn backstab only deal 5 and general backstab deal 8

i guess another tangential possibility is wasting some healing by pushing it over 25 but as far as i can tell that's marginal

@AidenChow artifacts break after the general takes three separate instances of damage, so the healing isn't sufficient so long as two of those instances don't get counterattacked

so pretty much accepting the fact that its gonna heal once anyway, thats the strat?

i still dont see how u gonna do 24 dmg in that case

yeah lmao

i just tried something out but it ultimately came out at 9 health because i clowned two of the inner focuses

(and the mist dragon seal)

bro i swear the solution is gonna be smth hella big brain that ill never be able to think of

same

most ive been able to do was get it down to 5 hp

nice

but i literally used all the cards

and dont have a continuation

so the strat im doing is obviously wrong

i basically just got in a gore horn backstab and a general backstab

now that it's in terms of having to backstab twice, it's literally impossible to dispel the gore horn, so one of the inner focuses has to be used on... the celestial phantom?

@UnrelatedString i was using one on that to move it back in after moving it out of the way

yeah that seems to be the play

i already forgot i tried that lmao

that's what i did when i got to 9 but there's a lot of things i could try differently

i dont know what i could try differently with what im doing, ig my mind is too locked into what i already have done

it really feels like there aren't that many options at all

like there's nothing that can survive killing any of the enemy minions, except the gore horn using its backstab

@UnrelatedString yea it feels really limited

@UnrelatedString yea and once the gore horn attack it cant be re-activate without dispelling it

yeo

in which case, boom, no two backstabs

yea i dont think thats the way

ok here lemme record real quick what im doing, maybe we can get some inspiration from what we both are doing lol

i guess it could be possible with only one backstab if the heal only resolves after the killing blow

@UnrelatedString true, but how is that gonna help

no idea :)

especially since it seems necessary to get a lot of damage out of inner focus, which requires... attacking three times

or rather, three times with non-backstab minions

ok heres what i got so far: dropbox.com/s/9r0qyrrysx7totb/2023-02-20%2017-53-07.mkv?dl=0

@UnrelatedString but like how? u need some of them to break through the enemy minions

yyyep

also it's interesting we both thought of using mist dragon seal to get gore horn out of the way

i'll record my two main ideas

they're both profoundly broken :P

actually i had a promising one earlier that used double inner focus on the gore horn but i forget how lol

yours seems pretty close to it

@UnrelatedString i mean any idea helps at this point lol, im certainly running out of ideas

my only idea maybe i can preserve the 5 4 somehow to deal the final blow

the video isn't done processing but this will be my two attempts in a couple minutes :P

so like maybe backstab with gore horn, tp out of the way, general backstab, then 5 4 lethal?

okay it's done processing

@UnrelatedString damn interesting ideas, im not sure but i feel like the first one is a bit more promising

yeah

also i remembered my double gore horn focus version and it only gets to 6 health lmao

:|

i'm going to record it now for posterity

ok now i gotta figure out what da hell u did

@AidenChow turns out it is in fact this

what are yall talking about

duelyst 2 weekly challenge

@UnrelatedString is the 5 4 dealing the final blow?

possibly :P

@UnrelatedString never heard of it

@UnrelatedString :||||||||

now i gotta figure out how to preserve the 5 4, im thinking gore horn backstab + general backstab + 5 4

bingo

issue is i have no idea how to do that :((

i will say i have not actually tried anything where the 5/4 doesn't hit face :P

@Ginger sounds like a you problem

@UnrelatedString wait bruh its on steam? ive been playing it on the website the entire time lol

lol nice

for some reason i can't actually run the web version in firefox

@UnrelatedString why not?

no idea

it just shows a black screen

some kind of issue with webgl

man im stuck, with what im currently doing, 4 activations would work, but there are only 3 :(

my gore horn is infuriatingly one square too far after trying to move it back in

but i dont have enough for a double activation

i spend one activation moving back the 1 5, another activating the dispel guy (which i also use deathstrike seal on), but i need 2 more activations to move back the gore horn

and i dont see another way to move the minions out of the way without one of them being dispelled

at this point i shouldn't be too specific, but one of those is redundant

@UnrelatedString :\ really

maybe think about the health some of the minions have :P

@UnrelatedString well fuck

just solved it

lol

gj

lets goooo

so ig moving the 1 5 out of the way wasnt the strat after all

ayup

it took both of us so long to think of how it's useful to re-deathstrike seal it lmao

i feel smart for solving that lol, thats pretty big brain solution

it's absolutely massive

@Ginger now you try it

lol he can probably solve it easy after watching the vids we put out and all the spoilers we put in chat here

yeah lol

@UnrelatedString nah :p

@AidenChow they/them if you please

okay so turns out this was due to a skill issue

I was just unable to hit notes apparently

sure I had to use a different keyboard and different key mapping, but I can now hit writhing solo again

that's what I'm talking about btw

I play medium difficulty if y'all want to see what notes I'm hitting (or missing) - top right

me when goofy stack

ksp2 in 2 days

:D

@lyxal damn truly one of the stacks of all time

how did u even manage that lol

@lyxal tetris?

@Seggan it certainly looks like it, the board shape looks about like tetris

i would even take a guess at saying that jstris

the board style looks about right, like when u lose and the board grays out

‘lo

totally didnt recognize it cuz i play jstris too much

> This quote highlights one of the game's central themes, which is the idea that every character, no matter how flawed or villainous they may seem, has the potential to change and become a better person if they are willing to try. The quote is often used to discuss the topic of redemption and whether or not it's possible for someone who has done wrong to make amends and become a better person.

Somehow I seriously doubt that's what Sans means

that's more like it