This Is Fine

Wipqozn

00:25

> Last year, the bosses of CD Projekt Red approached me for an interview. They wanted to announce that for Cyberpunk 2077, they would be avoiding mandatory crunch.
> This week, they sent out an email to staff announcing studio-wide mandatory crunch. News: https://t.co/s4OI5rUiQq

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CDPR is such a trash company.

The gaming community just loves giving them a free pass on treating their employees like shit just because they're obsessed with the Witcher.

Seeing users defending CDPR is completely unreal

The entire dev team should just strike, until they delay the game

Memor-X

@Wipqozn was hoping this wouldn't be the case so that if Cyberpunk becames a major success, they can shit on every other studio who thinks they need crunch to get things done

Unionhawk

01:25

I have debate suggestions

Suggestion one (give the mods a mute button and a points button)

Suggestion two

Tim Stone

I am a strong proponent of Thunderdome

Memor-X

Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985) - Two Men Enter, One Man Leaves Scene (4/9) | Movieclips

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will need to adjust that chant for being more open since it may not be just 2 men

ie. currently it's one man and one carrot child

Unionhawk

I am becoming the joker by not following my own advice of muting a discord debate watch channel

Jolenealaska

01:46

OH FUCK!! Biden! Nooooooooooooooooooo!

Normally, I immediately respond positively to a person who naturally and genuinely laughs at well-played one-liners at their own expense. That tendency exposes to the world all kinds of good in that person.

But

But that very thing is tying Biden's tongue.

Biden's grin to Trump's "Cause no one would show up" was charming.

But then he totally lost the opportunity to totally nail Trump on his taxes. I mean, the set-up was perfect.

Harris would have handed Trump his balls on that one. Game. Set. Match.

I want to see Pres and VP team debates.

Memor-X

02:45

> Question from Wallace: Will you pledge that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified?
DT: "I’m urging my voters to go into the polls and watch very carefully…."
JB: "Yes."

^ twitter.com/LexiDaish/status/1311133222923694081

A Yes or No question with an obvious fucken answer

Memor-X

06:10

> If you missed the widely-anticipated first Presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, these ten seconds pretty much sum it up.

Nzall

@Memor-X The video won't load for me

Memor-X

@Nzall don't know if it's geoblocked. this might work. it's the video in the reel titled "Biden to Trump: 'Will you shut up, man?'". goes on for a bit longer

Tim Stone

> Meet Kelly Abney, the new Vice President for Transportation Strategy at the US Postal Service under Louis DeJoy. Previously he was SVP of operation at XPO...under Louis DeJoy. Prior to that he was an executive at New Breed Logistics...under Louis DeJoy

Are…are they a special kind of glasses or did my dude just go to the Villian Eyewear Depot?

Nzall

@TimStone Heel Depot

Memor-X

@Nzall someone else just told me it is

cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/176908786253037568/…

will trigger a download for a ~2mb file but it's the video from the tweet

fredley

07:15

Just waking up, I assume the debate was a respectful, jovial affair, so I'm not going to read anything about it.

Nzall

07:41

@fredley Highlight was Biden telling Trump "will you just shut up"

Wipqozn

11:09

@Nzall Okay, that sounds awesome

But I assume the whole thing was a disaster

Nzall

@Wipqozn yeah, Biden yelled that at Trump (and then called him a clown), but that was while Trump was constantly interrupting Biden when Biden had the microphone

Wipqozn

11:26

So CDPR responded to the crunch story, and everyone is licking their fucking boots.

"Good luck!" "Hugs!"

twitter.com/AdamBadowski/status/1311245204356304896?s=19

Wrigglenite

Eugh

"I'm going to say I care but not actually ask you to provide your employees with healthy working hours because, you see, I'm excited about a video game"

Wipqozn

The reddit threads just as bad

If this was EA people would be losing their minds

Wrigglenite

yeah

It's sad to see

What's with the BS people are repeating

"A delay would lead to more crunch"

What?

Wipqozn

11:41

So, basically, they would just force the devs to crunch anyway in addition to delaying the game.

Which okay they would

but hey about, like, you cause an uproar and tell CDPR to delay and NOT crunch?

as opposed to "OH WELL"

Wrigglenite

No, no, delays cause crunch

Apparently

Because shut up and give me my game, I imagine

Nzall

I mean, yeah, crunch definitely sucks and it's a plague on this industry, but it's so widespread in the industry that while it's definitely okay to whine about it, taking it into account when making purchasing choices locks out nearly every AAA studio and most of the AA and indies

and that's not a sacrifice I'm willing to make. Solving crunch should be a legislation issue, not a consumer issue

Like, as a consumer I can't do anything about crunch in the companies that make the games I buy, apart from essentially no longer playing videogames

Wipqozn

I'm not saying you can't buy the game. I'm personally not a big believer in "vote with your wallet", because consumers shouldn't be the ones responsible for policing companies...that's why governments exist.

My issue is that we shouldn't just sit back and go "OH WELL" or "IT's okay! GOOD LUCK!". We should be calling them out, and demanding they do better.

In Trump racism news:

Trump doesn't denounce white supremacy, says Proud Boys should "stand back and stand by" in debate

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'Would you shut up?': Biden and Trump have tense exchanges at the 2020 presidential debate

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This thing was a bloody disaster

"Don't ever use the word smart with me": Trump lashes out at Biden during the debate

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I can't believe Trump's going to win again

fredley

12:01

@Wipqozn And he's going to do it with armed militias at polling places intimidating black voters!

I say intimidating with an air of hope!

Wipqozn

He's not even trying to hide the fact he plans to steal the election.

He keeps refusing to give a "yes" answer to "Will you respect the election results."

fredley

Even if he loses this time, there's always 2024!

Wipqozn

Honestly I just think he'll be in office forever, or his family, unless they're forcible removed from office.

Nzall

@fredley How bold of you to assume the country won't have dissolved into civil war by then

Wipqozn

I think there's a very real possibility of civil war breaking out in US within the next year. He's stoking the flames for it.

Damn it @Nzall you stole my thunder

STOLE IT I SAY

Also that's sarcasm

Just pointing that out since I know you have trouble detecting it sometimes. Just don't want you to think I'm actually mad at you.

Nzall

12:06

@Wipqozn I got that it was sarcasm

fredley

RIP Western Democracy, had a pretty good run

Wipqozn

Just making sure.

@fredley eh

fredley

'Leader of the free World' used to actually be the case. Who leads the free World now (Not us!, Not US either!)

Nzall

Like, for me it's the really subtle sarcasm or the believable sarcasm that's the problem. It was obvious that your comment was meant humourously because of the word choice

Like, "stole my thunder, STOLE IT I SAY" is too dramatic for you

Wrigglenite

@Nzall Wait

That's how Wipqozn usually speaks in mod councils

Nzall

12:09

Or rather, too dramatic for use in this chatroom for your usual words

@Wrigglenite as I said: dramatic words like that usually only said in ostentatious drama displays, and even then usually when that drama is played for laughs

Wipqozn

@Wrigglenite I'm a very serious person all the time.

Nzall

@Wipqozn I assume that's sarcasm again?

Wipqozn

@Nzall Yes

fredley

if (wipqozn) { assume(tone == jocular) }

Wipqozn

if (fredley) { assume(plan == friday troll) }

Memor-X

12:19

@fredley someone obvious woke up on the wrong side of the bed and hit their head forgetting what the past 4 years have been like

and even if you didn't, still wouldn't prepare you

fredley

Memor-X

@fredley yeh, remember when you're biggest issue was Brexit

fredley

*weeps in British*

Nzall

@Memor-X Best comeback at Brexit still is Switzerland looking at the Brexit misery for 4 years and then voting stay in the free movement zone by like 63-37%

Because they do NOT want that shitshow

fredley

EUnity has never been stronger

We took one for the team there

well done us

Doing it for the greater good

(the greater good)

Nzall

12:27

@fredley you took one for the team from a problem noone knew existed. You didn't leave a mark on history, you fist kissed it

context:

Frank Sinatra vs Freddie Mercury. Epic Rap Battles of History

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Mad Scientist

@Wipqozn Biden still has a pretty healthy advantage in the polls, might even be enough to make any attempts to cheat futile

you have to steal each state separately, and it gets dramatically more difficult if it's not a very close vote

BradC

13:37

Proud Boys celebrate after Trump's debate call-out

> The Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, pledged allegiance to President Donald Trump on Tuesday night after he told the group to "stand back and stand by" during the first presidential debate.

full context:

> Trump was asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace to disavow white supremacy during a part of the debate focused on race. Wallace asked whether Trump would urge white supremacist groups that inflamed violence at nationwide protests to "stand down."
> Trump said to "give me a name" when asked to denounce a specific group, and former Vice President Joe Biden called out the Proud Boys.
> But Trump did not denounce any far-right or white supremacist groups, and he then pivoted to talk about antifa.

A fitting summary of the event:

An Epic Moment of National Shame: The Debate Was an Embarrassment for the Ages

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Nzall

@BradC As Biden said right after that: Antifa is a concept, not a group

Nzall

14:00

Also, they really shouldn't have taken Chris "Fox News Propagandist" Wallace as the moderator, because it was so obvious he was biased and helpless

Yuuki

Chris Wallace is the least bad person on Fox News but I'm not sure if that's damning him with faint praise.

And I doubt you could get the Trump campaign to agree on another moderator.

Nzall

@Yuuki It's like saying Pol Pot is the least bad of the dictators who caused over a million deaths

Or that if you had to choose, losing an ear lobe is preferable to losing a different body part. Why am I forced to lose body parts?

Yuuki

@Nzall For everything about the debates, both debate parties have to agree, it's not something mandated by the Constitution.

That's also why the mikes couldn't be cut if someone (cough cough) was interrupting.

Because both parties had to agree to that and one campaign (i wonder who) didn't agree to allowing the mics to be cut off by the moderator.

Wipqozn

14:18

> On the Proud Boys' account on the social media app Telegram, the group appeared to take the statement as marching orders.

Because that's exactly what it was

Trump is trying to get these far right extremists and to take our their guns and help him steal an election. Also shoot lefites. Also non-whites.

RedRiderX

@Nzall The last Chris Wallace interview with Trump had him turn the screws to effect.

Though I'm surprised that at some point they didn't just cut mics

fredley

Yeah, mic cutting seems to be the only way to actually get something resembling a debate

I mean, it's not really a debate anyway, but whatever

Wipqozn

> When Trump taunted that Democrats were in the grip of the left—“Your party wants to go socialist medicine”—Biden noted that he prevailed over candidates like Senator Bernie Sanders, who wanted to end private health insurance, and that he has his own energy plan that is different than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s “Green New Deal.” But then Trump simply switched his taunt: “You just lost the left! You just lost the left!”

Pretty damning confirmation that Biden has no plans to actually be progressigve.

I mean we already knew that

but yaaay

We're so fucked

Unionhawk

no see I don't want people to be able to just go to the fucking doctor without having to pay for it

Wipqozn

like even if biden wins, global warming will kill us all anyway, sicne America is never going to address it themselves

RedRiderX

14:24

Also RE Wallace: I think Jon Stewart once said to Chris Wallace "I think you bring integrity to an organization [Fox] that otherwise might not have it."

@Wipqozn The hope is the Biden is easier for the left to bully then Trump.

Unionhawk

He won't be

Wipqozn

@RedRiderX The problem is that Biden represents a large chunk of dems in power though

There's only a few actual progressives in America politics.

RedRiderX

You really think Trump is just as easy for lefts to sway as Biden?

From another perspective, I think Biden will send less federal troops to squash protests.

BradC

Don't forget its also possible that Biden is simply playing to the middle for the general election

RedRiderX

Which would automatically make him easier to face then Trump.

BradC

14:27

but will still hold to the progressive ideas that have become popular within the Democratic party

if/when he wins

RedRiderX

@BradC He has to, there's no other option when Bernie or Busters are prevalent.

BradC

But I think that's more of a "let's cross that bridge when we come to it" situation

Unionhawk

They have no interest in crossing the bridge!

Mad Scientist

As long as Trump is in power and Republicans control the Senate, it isn't even possible to discuss any real issues.

Unionhawk

They're going to pivot from "Look, we'll pull him left later" to "Joe :clap: Biden :clap: doesn't :clap: owe :clap: you :clap: anything :clap:"

Wipqozn

14:29

Biden will be an improvement, but it'll just be a return to the status quo.

RedRiderX

Yeah in the same way the Tea Party did a chest-burster on the Republicans, the Left infiltrating the Dems is the most workable strategy at this point.

Yuuki

@Unionhawk I'll take not crossing the bridge over burning the bridge down any day.

Unionhawk

Like oh cool we're going to return to 2014 levels of federal troops

fantastic

sounds good

Yuuki

oh cool, let's stay at 2020 levels of federal troops then, that's much better

RedRiderX

@Unionhawk That's a distinct possibility, but even that is better then Trump. And while other Socialist forces build power, what other option is there atm?

Unionhawk

14:31

prepare for an uptick in state sanctioned violence after november 3

RedRiderX

I'm gonna need some clarification on what you see fitting under state sanctioned violence

There could be a lot of things you're referring to.

Unionhawk

The police, national guard, etc, plus groups that the police quietly support such as white supremacist gangs

RedRiderX

tbh the feds can't do much about the police, and I really can't believe Biden would abuse the federal forces more then Trump already has.

BradC

Yep. I'd have to look for the photo, but when the police are lining up between armed right wing militia and BLM protesters, but stand with their shields facing the BLM group, then that pretty much tells you what "side" they are on

RedRiderX

But if Trump wins that would be a bulwarking of implicit support so I see your point there.

Wipqozn

14:37

@RedRiderX I don't think @Unionhawk is saying Biden will be worse. He's saying a lot of the issues we've seen under Trump already existed before, but under Trump they've just become worse. Essentially Biden will be a return to the 2014 status quo, but that was still bad.

at least, that's my understanding.

And one I agree with. Americas issues existed long before Trump took the stage. He's the symptom, not the cause.

RedRiderX

I recognize that, and I'm saying that's still better then 4 more years of Trump.

Wipqozn

I agree

Unionhawk

It will be exactly as easy to pull joe biden from whatever aca 2 will be to something that resembles taking care of people

RedRiderX

I'm not saying it's good, or that he even really deserves support based on policies he's advocated for.

Unionhawk

As in it will not be possible, or at least it will be a waste of time

though I grant that aca 2: give the insurance companies more money edition or whatever is probably at least meh

instead of actively bad

RedRiderX

14:40

What I'm saying is: don't throw away marginal progress while reaching for long term goals.

We can strive for both.

I grant that the amount of political give we find in Biden is uncertain, but even still it will be easier to build leftist power underneath a non-fashy power.

Nzall

14:56

@Wipqozn Trump is the culmination of decades of American decline

Trump supporter discovers Trump lies

Wipqozn

15:43