This Is Fine

12:27 AM

President Trump: "I think what [AG Barr] said was absolutely true. There was absolutely spying into my campaign. I'll go a step further. In my opinion, it was illegal spying." http://hill.cm/XcUOMEX https://t.co/JPzLnqMjwh

Tweeted by thehill on April 11, 2019 at 11:45 PM

almost like he needs to have the last say on everything

Memor-X

12:45 AM

Switzerland's supreme court orders historic revote on referendum because voters were poorly informed http://hill.cm/Kp4fpk6

Tweeted by thehill on April 12, 2019 at 12:10 AM

*looks at the UK* another option to consider

Tim Stone

2:38 AM

Surprise! https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-texas-republican-ilhan-omar-fdny-firefighter-attack-20190411-qs7sbccinbd4zhirps2d7g6wpm-story.html

Tweeted by mehdirhasan on April 12, 2019 at 2:24 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔

Unionhawk

3:49 AM

As the Pinkertons see it, global warming stands to make corporate security as high-stakes in the 21st century as it was in the 19th. Imagine a drought, an executive said. “If a client has food and water and all the other stuff, then they become a target.” https://nyti.ms/2KutYgh

Tweeted by nytimes on April 11, 2019 at 9:40 PM

don't worry the right wing has a plan for climate change

it's this

Memor-X

5:30 AM

President Trump: "You're just lucky I happened to be the president because a lot of other presidents would have reacted much differently than I reacted. You're very lucky I was the president during this scam." https://t.co/ttp814AnMu

Tweeted by thehill on April 12, 2019 at 4:11 AM

i think he's talking about the Mueller Probe

in which case yes another president would have reacted differently, like say if they were innocent they would let themselves be cleared instead of attacking the thing

GodEmperorDune

6:50 AM

@Memor-X wut

@Memor-X i mean another president wouldn't have been so involved with crimes during the campaign and then there wouldn't have been a mueller probe

Nzall

8:18 AM

@Memor-X Programmers probably wouldn't be considered essential personnel

Yuuki

12:23 PM

Yeah, if you're in a situation like post-apocalyptic... Switzerland? You won't really be needing programmers.

MBraedley

12:56 PM

@Memor-X doing some quick math Really? The average Swiss drinks less than a cup of coffee a day?

... my quick math may be a little wrong, as I was using too much ground coffee (by weight) per cup.

Memor-X

@MBraedley could be correct if it's really really strong stuff

Kevin

They drink about twice as much coffee (by weight) as the average american: telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/…

Americans really don't drink that much coffee, huh

MBraedley

@Kevin But I don't want weight per year, I want cups per day.

Tim Stone

We switched to energy drinks

Kevin

@MBraedley but there's no direct way to correlate the two, you can prepare coffee in many ways

Yuuki

1:04 PM

@MBraedley It's also emergency rations so I doubt they'd be consuming coffee as normal.

MBraedley

@Kevin standard cups per day, then.

Kevin

One standard is 10 gram of beans per cup cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/9703/…

Tim Stone

@Yuuki Gotta stay awake to keep an eye out for the zombies

MBraedley

@Yuuki At the end of the article, it says the Swiss consume 20lbs per capita of coffee per year. I had estimated that it takes 2 ounces of beans to make a cup (therefore about 160 cups annually), when it's really less than a third of that.

Buns Glazing

@Unionhawk that's sad

@Memor-X this is pretty fucked up

Tbh

Do not agree

Unionhawk

1:29 PM

@BunsGlazing arthur sackler made his fortune in medical advertising (he's a literal hall-of-famer in this field for "bringing the full power of advertising and promotion to pharmaceutical marketing"), and his methods to push non-opoids were used by his brother Richard "How substantially would it [OxyCotin being uncontrolled and abused] improve your sales" Sackler to directly cause harm, so yeah I'd say so

Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. Purdue Pharma LP has been p good so far

Also, I wish I could go back to a time before I knew the pharmaceutical marketing hall of fame was a thing

Buns Glazing

2:15 PM

I guess I just don't know enough about that

puzzlepiece87

3:12 PM

Casual anti-Semitism in the UK Labour party

2

puzzlepiece87

3:23 PM

@Ash, another great Friendship Files today. :)

user15026

3:34 PM

@puzzlepiece87 Excellent :D

SaintWacko

@Unionhawk Ew

J. Doe

This is not fine

It's funny

GodEmperorDune

4:02 PM

New York State gerrymandered a map to qualify Hudson Yards for $1.6 billion in financing meant for low-income areas—by threading it to public housing in Harlem. (@CityLab obtained the map info through FOIA.) http://bit.ly/2U9uGit

Tweeted by kristoncapps on April 12, 2019 at 1:26 PM

SaintWacko

@GodEmperorDune Geez

Tim Stone

4:41 PM

We're thrilled that our LESO program, in our Vehicle and Asset Management division, was able to supply @GreeneSheriff with this mine-resistant ambush protected vehicle (MRAP) for the agency’s use. 📷: @GreeneSun

Tweeted by TennDGS on April 11, 2019 at 6:04 PM

lmao, imagine writing that sentence and not thinking people would be like "Hmmmmmm wait 🤔"

MBraedley

@TimStone To ask the obvious question, why does a county sheriff's department need a min resistant vehicle?

Tim Stone

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

user15026

@TimStone but why this thing

puzzlepiece87

@MBraedley @Ash @TimStone I'm sure they can find many tacticool uses for it.

Yuuki

MRAP are actually more than just useless, they're actively bad. The weight and tread of the vehicle tears up the roads, which we already have problems with.

Tim Stone

4:47 PM

Thin blue line big beige truck something something

Yuuki

+

user15026

@Yuuki even better. :/

Yuuki

still waiting on infrastructure week

Tim Stone

The White House JUST put out a statement saying the policy was no longer being considered. "The idea was briefly and informally raised and quickly rejected." Trump is now saying the opposite. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116742280919044096

Tweeted by abbydphillip on April 12, 2019 at 4:40 PM

lmao

But also accept no framing of this which validates the notion that people's existence can be weaponized

Yuuki

> WH: "Actually, we figured maybe we don't want to be complete monsters."
> Trump: "We will bigly sail over the moral event horizon."

user15026

4:52 PM

@TimStone I am interpreting this as "you wanted them well now you get them" and just like...dumping all these people on the sanctuary cities' doorsteps and shrugging and walking away?

Tim Stone

That is correct

@Yuuki The best part is the time the usual suspects spent downplaying that "THE LIBS" were taking this seriously when it was just something said in passing at a meeting but oh actually it's the Big Boy President's Very Stable Genius Idea

Unionhawk

I can't wait for Butler County Sherrif ~~Doug Dimmadome~~ Richard Jones to get his hands on a military surplus tank

@TimStone like, I know how this makes sense to his brain, but as it turns out, I mean, ok?

The logical steps for how a senile man arrives at this exist

It just happens that 2 of those steps are false

leading to a false conclusion

Tim Stone

Yeah, he should absolutely do it and then we should absolutely not acknowledge his belief that it's somehow a punishment but obviously it won't work that way

@Unionhawk Motion to consider all instances of FOP as Fairly Odd Parents

Unionhawk

the only thing about this is it will (obviously) still displace people but other than that still important detail,

fuckin, better than locking people up in Doug Dimmadome's jail

I guess

Wipqozn

(1/7) So apparently some (I hope very few) people online are using the fact that I am the primary developer of the eht-imaging software library (https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging) to launch awful and sexist attacks on my colleague and friend Katie Bouman. Stop.

Tweeted by thisgreyspirit on April 12, 2019 at 1:48 AM

Tim Stone

5:04 PM

> Liz Crokin is "beyond ecstatic" and on the verge of tears at the news that Julian Assange was arrested, because it means that Pizzagate will finally be proven to be real.

I don't even want to know how you connect those dots

@Wipqozn 1. Excellent 2. Your mobile experience continues to amuse

Wipqozn

In

user15026

@Wipqozn I am happy this thread exists.

Wipqozn

Okay that just added to it

@TimStone I suffer to share you all the latest

Tim Stone

lol

MBraedley

(Also I did not write "850,000 lines of code" -- many of those "lines" tracked by github are in model files. There are about 68,000 lines in the current software, and I don't care how many of those I personally authored)

Tweeted by thisgreyspirit on April 12, 2019 at 1:52 AM in reply to thisgreyspirit

Turns out I was right to be skeptical of the 850,000 lines of code claim.

Wipqozn

5:09 PM

@MBraedley Yeah good call

Also cc @BunsGlazing on this

Vogel612

@MBraedley they probably counted additions over all files and all of versioning history

Unionhawk

or generated code

Vogel612

makes it easy to inflate the number of "lines of code authored"

MBraedley

I looked at a couple of the model files in the repo, and it's pretty clear that they're either nicely formatted raw data or generated files.

They're also on the order of 40000 lines each.

puzzlepiece87

@Vogel612 You're extremely good at lurking :D

Vogel612

5:12 PM

@puzzlepiece87 I'm actually terrible at lurking in here

Unionhawk

@MBraedley I also wonder what "lines" means here, like, is github just trying to format something that's clearly not text at all or no

Vogel612

Most of the time I'm even visible in the "list of people currently in this room"

MBraedley

@Unionhawk No, the model files are human readable.

Unionhawk

ah

now that I think about "not text" would probably end up being 1 line anyway

MBraedley

But they're line after line of a set of numbers.

puzzlepiece87

5:23 PM

@Vogel612 I like your lurking style because you pop up so rarely, yet your comments are always on point.

You leave that excellent air of lurking mystery about you :D "Who is that person with sensible things to say? What do they doooo?"

user15026

Meanwhile I am like "I AM A POTATO EXPLAIN ME A THING" :P

Vogel612

@puzzlepiece87 It really isn't that hard to find out what I do, I'd say

GodEmperorDune

@Ash haters were upset that the brilliant lady getting the credit for everything was a lady and therefore dug into the code to see how much she had actually wrote and tried to use that as a proxy for how she wasn’t that important

Vogel612

As could be predicted, the HN idiocy has made its way onto skeptics SE. https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/43789/1795

Tweeted by RichFelker on April 12, 2019 at 4:46 PM

^^ relatedly... debunked completely on Skeptics.SE

GodEmperorDune

This was wrong in multiple places: 1) lines of code written is an extremely bad metric for everything

Vogel612

5:28 PM

FWIW even people in the software industry that really should know better are using LoC written as a metric...

user15026

@GodEmperorDune sighs I figured it was probably going to be something stupid like that

GodEmperorDune

2) designing the way that the code needed to work was much more crucial to the project

user15026

@Vogel612 I loooove Skeptics for this stuff.

Yuuki

@Ash Given that I have an extremely queasy stomach, I'm not going to disagree with you.

user15026

(I know that might not be the fairest statement I ever posited in here, but dang it)

Yuuki

5:30 PM

And also, I fall to pieces if I watch a good rom-com.

GodEmperorDune

3) a lot of what the haters said were lines of “code” was not actually human generated, it was data from the sensors and thus worthless to count as “other people’s contributions” in an already terrible metric for gauging contributions

puzzlepiece87

@Vogel612 Ah, I see you take the phrase "Who is your daddy and what do they doooo" literally :P

"Well it really isn't that hard to find out who my dad is."

Vogel612

@puzzlepiece87 see, that one went completely over my head

GodEmperorDune

Which is one of the many reasons why “lines of code” is extremely inaccurate as a metric

user15026

@GodEmperorDune rolls eyes

Wipqozn

5:33 PM

@Ash I mean, on one hand it's not, but on the other hand these men complaining are the same ones who constantly dismiss woman as being "too emotional" (aka fragile).

user15026

@Wipqozn yeeeeeah.

GodEmperorDune

It’s basically male fragility + old and terrible tech industry bad practices rolled into one

user15026

what a hot mess

Yuuki

You know who else is a hot mess? This guy.

GodEmperorDune

@Ash Yeah exactly

Yuuki

5:35 PM

@GodEmperorDune Ouch.

puzzlepiece87

Hot take: it's not really a hot mess or tech industry bad practices if the central argument comes from a place of bad faith intent on denigrating women.

Vogel612

@puzzlepiece87 you're missing a bit of complexity there, I think

GodEmperorDune

I mean lines of code as a metric is literally a tech industry bad practice

Yuuki

Hotter take: what if the tech industry is a place of bad faith intent on denigrating women?

GodEmperorDune

Like this has been debunked for decades

Vogel612

5:37 PM

because if the tech industry didn't have people willing and intent on promoting these kinds of arguments, this wouldn't be remotely as much of an issue, I think

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Sounds more accurate as well.

user15026

@Yuuki oh, no what if, there...

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune You can't take that back, I know what you really mean... cries

puzzlepiece87

@Vogel612 Right, but I don't think this argument is coming from the tech industry, I think it's coming from Reddit and Twitter.

I could be wrong.

23 hours ago, by Unionhawk

it;s actually about ethics in science journaliusm

Vogel612

it's not about where the argument comes from, it's about how it spreads

user15026

5:40 PM

The tech industry does kinda lend itself to this sort of thing.

GodEmperorDune

Yeah, the lines of code thing is directly from tech industry

puzzlepiece87

@Vogel612 Okay, fair then.

murgatroid99

@Vogel612 how is the tech industry spreading this?

Vogel612

@murgatroid99 hackernews really doesn't have much of an audience outside of tech, does it?

AIUI it blew up there

not that CNN involvement helped...

Stuff like this reply don't come from nothing

murgatroid99

@Vogel612 People who care about technology is a much broader category than "the tech industry"

There is a systemic problem with sexism in the tech industry, but that doesn't mean that it makes sense to blame "the tech industry" for every instance of sexism that is related to technology in some way

Wipqozn

5:58 PM

@murgatroid99 Ah okay now I see what you're getting at.

Unionhawk

6:30 PM

yeah, the industry does not have a monopoly on shitty reddit dudes

Buns Glazing

6:41 PM

vox.com/2019/4/11/18306231/greg-craig-indicted-mueller-manafort

I don't know who any of these people are tbh but it seems like news?

Oh are you guys talking about the black hole.girl?

I think the issue is not about "denigrating women" it's more about some people feeling like there is a trend of giving women spotlight over men when there are multiple people involved in things

Although I have definitely seen some shitty comments

Wipqozn

@BunsGlazing That's definitely not the case at all, but I don't feel like arguing with you about it.

Buns Glazing

Meh I disagree

Anyway I knew the lines of code thing was dumb

Unionhawk

"false statement"
"this is false"
"I disagree"

Buns Glazing

I'm glad for the achievement and the celebration of key members of the team

Everyone involved did a remarkable job

I am not defending the comments f y i

@Unionhawk maybe I misunderstood. I don't think it's false that a lot of people think there is a trend of that nature

Unionhawk

@BunsGlazing this true, a lot of people are wrong

Buns Glazing

6:47 PM

I think that's why so many people are upset

Lol whatever

user15026

@BunsGlazing hahahaha what no that's not...*sigh*

Buns Glazing

I don't really know personally

@Ash not what?

user15026

@BunsGlazing That's not even remotely true?

Buns Glazing

Okay guys forget it I will refrain from offering my observations from now on

@Ash tell that to the people who are complaining about Katie whatever

Vogel612

observation != opinion

user15026

6:48 PM

@BunsGlazing that would be a exercise in extreme futility

Buns Glazing

Okay

user15026

And just because a bunch of angry dudes on the internet are mad that it's not about them doesn't mean that suddenly women are getting much deserved recognition and that they are being stompted on

user15026

Just because for one moment it's not all about them doesn't mean it's never going to be about them ever

user15026

And....like that twitter thread points out, that's kinda...missing the point.

user15026

Like when the men involved are going "yep okay I'm good with how this is playing out" then...why are we even having the discussion.

Buns Glazing

6:50 PM

@Ash okay so when did I say that it was? I said that's what I thought the outrage was about

I don't share that opinion

Vogel612

@BunsGlazing I can't follow that sentence

user15026

@BunsGlazing I never said you shared it. I'm just stating why I'd not go tell that to the people complaining about Dr. Katie Bouman's stuff.

user15026

@BunsGlazing I can't tell what this sentence is saying.

Buns Glazing

I was walking

user15026

You need to stop assuming that if i argue a point you made, that I am making a personal judgement on you for stating it

user15026

6:52 PM

I was merely responding to things that were stated.

Buns Glazing

Meh I just don't like it when people knee jerk and go omg these dudes online are saying shit about this woman they must be sexist! Well some of em probably are but a lot of the comments I've seen are just annoyed about some perceived media preference for women

That's all I had to say

Yuuki

Were you walking fast? And faces passed? Are you homebound?

Buns Glazing

My own opinion was not involved

Vogel612

@BunsGlazing so you're saying that's not sexism?

Unionhawk

and like I said, their perception on this matter isn't even correct, which I think is pretty key

Buns Glazing

6:53 PM

Idk man they think the media is the sexist thing

user15026

@BunsGlazing Thing is? This is a super sexist thing though, because I am willing to bet a large sum of money that if the men got the credit, the internet denizens that are mad about this wouldn't be mad at all

Buns Glazing

@Unionhawk sure fine but I wasn't offering my opinion on that

user15026

@Unionhawk Also this, it's based on a pretty bad premise

Buns Glazing

Okay guys I don't know why you are trying convince me of a thing I already agree with

You people are incredibly frustrating sometimes

And try to avoid "men are fragile" again please

Yuuki

Why do you bring up things you heard then if you don't want anyone want to talk about it?

This is a chat room not a newsfeed.

user15026

6:56 PM

Discussion happens, that's literally why the room was made :)

Yuuki

The pattern of behavior seems to increasingly be this:

> 1. you mention something you heard
2. people engage on said thing
3. you take the engagement personally

Tim Stone

"Infrastructure the size of a pizza box shouldn't have to jump through the same regulatory hoops" as tall cell phone towers, says @AjitPaiFCC.

Tweeted by W7VOA on April 12, 2019 at 6:47 PM in reply to W7VOA

wat

(Of 5G)

That doesn't follow at all

user15026

@TimStone That makes no sense - just because it's smaller doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated, dude

Tim Stone

You'll be entirely unsurprised to hear that things then went off the rails

"We'll bring them ('the illegals') to sanctuary city areas and let that particular area take care of it," adds @POTUS. "Let's see if they have open arms."

Tweeted by W7VOA on April 12, 2019 at 6:55 PM in reply to W7VOA

Yuuki

> 1. "I heard someone say that cats should be de-clawed."
> 2. "I know some vets that say de-clawing cats is bad for their health."
> 3. "I never said that I would de-claw a cat."

Tim Stone

6:59 PM

I had to scroll back up the thread to infer that the dude behind him is a linesman which uhh sort of? explains the whole getup

Yuuki

To put things in (relatively) apolitical terms.

Unionhawk

@TimStone wait why is that the same press conference then

Tim Stone

They let the President talk this was a natural consequence

Unionhawk

naturally

Tim Stone

But also I assume some reporter asked him about that instead of 5G because no one wanted Ajit Pai to keep speaking

Unionhawk

7:00 PM

we are living in the future we always dreamed of

user15026

@TimStone what does this have to do with the other things? I am so confused

user15026

How did we get from that to this

Yuuki

@TimStone Incidentally, airplane black boxes are roughly the size of a pizza box.

I think.

Tim Stone

Yeah, per the previous tweet the some reporter asked him about it because he tweeted it out earlier

MBraedley

@Yuuki It's more that 1 should be extended to "and it sounds like you agree with the position that we won't agree with"

Unionhawk

7:02 PM

@TimStone oh that's less fun

user15026

@TimStone oh, I guess that's slightly logical

Tim Stone

Very disappointed someone didn't ask Ivanka, who was also there, about 6G

Buns Glazing

@MBraedley You are just assuming I agree with it

MBraedley

@BunsGlazing Not all the time, but there have definitely been instances where you post something and it's not entirely clear which side of the issue you fall on.

Buns Glazing

shrug

Yuuki

7:04 PM

I don't think it matters because the salient part is what happens between 2 and 3.

Buns Glazing

Can't talk about anything in here without someone trying to explain something unrelated to me like I'm a five year old

I also think the 'backlash' is dumb

Tim Stone

@Ash Yeah, the original topic was more relevant to your interests albeit in a bad way because they're lauding themselves for rolling out 5G to solve rural areas' broadband problems so no one has to run more reliable line connections to underserved customers :|

Buns Glazing

And those people should be ashamed of themselves

Satisfied?

user15026

@TimStone hahahahahaha omg they think this will magically solve it omg do they know how 5G works?

Unionhawk

(to be fair AT&T doesn't so probably not)

Tim Stone

7:05 PM

Also no one's actually rolled out 5G and Verizon's recent test in Chicago went poorly but yeah

Unionhawk

(they just did a software change labeling LTE as 5G)

Vogel612

lulz

Yuuki

@BunsGlazing I don't appreciate that you think I'm treating you like a five year old when I'm just trying to describe things without using political issues that we might disagree on.

Buns Glazing

@Wipqozn Thought so, although the number maybe was more outside my expertise, but I figured it wasn't as important as they said

@Yuuki Nobody in particular, just 'the room'

Vogel612

I'm not deep in the subject matter, but mobile standard improvements of course first get implemented where most people are, because the economic incentive is much larger ...

Buns Glazing

7:07 PM

I come in say something about why I thihnk some of those dudes are upset and everyone jumps on me like 'zomg are you saying sexism doesn't exist?'

No. I am not.

Vogel612

Though someone in German gov actually went on record to say that "Not every milkcan needs 5G"

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk It is still extremely funny to me in the worst possible way that it's totally okay that they do this

Buns Glazing

I will admit I have a tendency to lose my cool when I see phrases like 'male fragility' being tossed around in here

Vogel612

as if that was what people fed up with literal holes in basic mobile phone coverage were demanding

Buns Glazing

Like come on, would you say that about women?

Didn't think so

MBraedley

7:08 PM

@TimStone There are some small test areas that are actual 5G

Buns Glazing

Not cool!

Vogel612

@BunsGlazing that is a fallacious argument

Buns Glazing

Whatever man

GodEmperorDune

The law that requires Mnuchin to turn over Trump’s taxes "is clear, and it leaves no wiggle room. The consequences for breaking it include removal from public office and up to five years in prison," writes @DavidCayJ https://trib.al/6GOSR3x

Tweeted by thedailybeast on April 12, 2019 at 4:40 PM

Buns Glazing

I reported one and it got validated so

Tim Stone

7:09 PM

@MBraedley Right, right, I just meant they can't do a Mission Accomplished thing when that still requires like 99% of the work

Buns Glazing

Double standards are not cool

Unionhawk

reverse sexism is not real

Buns Glazing

Now you're just putting words in my mouth

Unionhawk

no I am putting words in my mouth

Buns Glazing

Just quit it with the male fragility shit

I don't like that

maybe i'm FRAGILE

GodEmperorDune

7:10 PM

the words "male fragility" are not a slur, they are describing a thing

Vogel612

~sigh

Buns Glazing

@GodEmperorDune how about 'female bossiness'

Yuuki

Also, they weren't "thrown around", literally popped up once.

Vogel612

This room was placed in timeout for 2 minutes; Calm down

Folks. Arguing a topic like that will not work this way.

So I highly suggest we drop this, and concentrate on something else

Buns Glazing

@Yuuki 3 times

I don't think that's appropriate language for a civil discussion

Vogel612

7:14 PM

I really should get myself a collection of images of internet cats

Wipqozn

@BunsGlazing Drop it means drop it

Tim Stone

Pleased to announce that I will be joining the Bay of Pigs Veterans Association on April 17 in Miami to deliver remarks on the important steps being taken by the Administration to confront security threats related to Cuba, Venezuela, and the democratic crisis in Nicaragua.

Tweeted by AmbJohnBolton on April 12, 2019 at 7:13 PM

Excuse me the what now?

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone after all the messes recently i forgot this guy was still in the administration

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Which is impressive because him being in the administration was one of said messes.

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune His moustache will betray him eventually

Man reportedly lit himself on fire in front of @WhiteHouse. https://t.co/bmnxJVM6VT

Tweeted by W7VOA on April 12, 2019 at 7:21 PM

(I'm not sure what the video is meant to be of, nothing related to the tweet is visible)

GodEmperorDune

7:28 PM

@TimStone 60s are back

Tim Stone

Luckily it seems like he was unsuccessful? Secret Service and/or Capitol Police carried the man off which I guess they wouldn't have been as inclined to do if he was/had been on fire

The UnitedHealth employee who leaked The Post this video says: “I felt Americans needed to know exactly who it is that’s fighting against the idea that healthcare is a right, not a privilege." https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/04/12/weve-done-lot-more-than-you-would-think-how-health-insurance-industry-is-working-pull-democrats-away-medicare-for-all/?utm_term=.6fb10170e0fd

Tweeted by JStein_WaPo on April 12, 2019 at 2:34 PM

GodEmperorDune

did we cover the congressman who thought that having a "bachelor of arts in political science" made someone a "science expert"?

Unionhawk

I believe yes? I forget, tom massie is certainly A Guy That Exists

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk i know we discussed in the other place, not sure in this room

MBraedley

I saw it somewhere, but not sure where.

And by somewhere, I mean I saw the tweet, but not sure where it was linked.

GodEmperorDune

8:01 PM

BREAKING: In Calexico, CA last week, where POTUS told border agents to block asylum-seekers from entering the US contrary to law, Trump told CBP head McAleenan if he were sent to jail as a result, the president would pardon him, 2 Sr admin officials tell me. More on @CNN...

Tweeted by jaketapper on April 12, 2019 at 7:36 PM

Unionhawk

given that afaik it is also against international law, I'd rather see him go to a little town in the netherlands that rhymes with vague

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk i have a whole list of people that should also be sent there

Sudan military chief steps down a day after staging coup to topple long-time leader Omar al-Bashir https://bbc.in/2Kw6fMq

Tweeted by BBCBreaking on April 12, 2019 at 7:50 PM

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Huh.

user15026

8:19 PM

@GodEmperorDune like science science?

GodEmperorDune

The Pentagon’s new transgender service policy goes into effect today, despite four ongoing federal lawsuits by active-duty troops and opposition from medical professionals. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/trump-trans-military-ban-takes-effect

Tweeted by VeraMBergen on April 12, 2019 at 6:49 PM

@Ash yes

user15026

Oh, honey, no

Tim Stone

NEW: I did a deep dive into Stephen Moore's views and it's hard condense in one tweet so it will take a few. Moore has called for abolishing the Fed, he believes social security is "a ponzi scheme," he's said he's not "a big believer in democracy." https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/politics/stephen-moore-kfile/index.html

Tweeted by KFILE on April 12, 2019 at 8:23 PM

GodEmperorDune

When I asked Kerry if he had a science degree, he answered “no” but forgot to turn his microphone on. The left has been using his flub to conceal what this exchange proved which is Kerry admitted he doesn’t have a science degree, even though his degree says “science” https://twitter.com/FreedomWorks/status/1116318800960471040

Tweeted by RepThomasMassie on April 11, 2019 at 12:40 PM

GOP Rep. Massie to John Kerry: Isn't true you have a science degree from Yale? KERRY: Bachelor of Arts degree. MASSIE: Is it a political science degree? KERRY: Yes, political science. MASSIE: How do get a Bachelor of Arts in a science? The clip is worth watching. Via The Hill https://t.co/D432V6m1SN

Tweeted by kylegriffin1 on April 10, 2019 at 6:55 PM

Yuuki

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Yep, sounds like "going home" time.

SaintWacko

8:37 PM

@Yuuki IT'S HIIIIIGH- time to go home

GodEmperorDune

8:48 PM

Four years ago, I helped make a free game about being trans. It was designed to help cis people people understand some difficulties of living while trans, but today there's a Polygon article from someone who used it to safely work out they were trans. Reading it made me cry <3 https://twitter.com/Polygon/status/1116698774632640519

Tweeted by LaurakBuzz on April 12, 2019 at 1:55 PM

Frank

@GodEmperorDune "Loyalty to me is all that matters. Do what I say, and damn the law."

GodEmperorDune

@Frank yeah this is constitutional crisis territory

Frank

And if that's not clear obstruction of justice, I don't know what is.

GodEmperorDune

almost immediately after it went public the white house claimed it was a joke

Frank

@GodEmperorDune That's all they can do. The president isn't serious when he makes all these outlandish statements. He's obviously joking.

Until he does exactly what he said he would.

GodEmperorDune

8:55 PM

congress is already setting up testimonies with the people involved

Tim Stone

9:50 PM

#DPRK leader Kim Jong Un says he'll wait until the end of this year for @POTUS to make a "courageous decision."

Tweeted by W7VOA on April 12, 2019 at 9:48 PM

The President of course is busy inciting violence against Muslims and a sitting Congresswoman in particular on Twitter

GodEmperorDune

10:14 PM

There are no words. 🤬🤬 #WomenInSTEM x @Wikipedia

Tweeted by jesswade on April 12, 2019 at 8:23 PM

considered for deletion because writing the algorithm to take the first goddamn picture of a black hole in HUMAN HISTORY is not significant enough? get in the sea

murgatroid99

It's already no longer under consideration less than an hour after that, so it looks like somebody nominated it for deletion and then very quickly the decision was "no don't do that"

GodEmperorDune

its problematic that someone nominated it for deletion in the first place

murgatroid99

I mean, it's entirely unsurprising that someone would do that with all of the other shittiness around this topic for the past few days

user15026

All safe now 🙃 what a rollercoaster it is fighting these techbros

Tweeted by jesswade on April 12, 2019 at 9:07 PM in reply to jesswade

murgatroid99

Just, do we really need to see every instance of somebody being shitty about things?

user15026

10:29 PM

For some reason the fact it was "speedy keep" is amusing me

user15026

Like I am sure that's a Wikipedia thing, but I just like the phrase "speedy keep"

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 as long as people keep denying that it is a problem

or agreeing that it is a problem but has absolutely nothing to do with sexism

Unionhawk

@Ash lol I assume some admin decided that it was blatantly not WP:BLP1E (against rules on biographies of people notable for single events)

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune What people? Half Empty? He's not even here right now, and nobody else here seems to have expressed that perspective.

Unionhawk

I wanna find the AfD now

user15026

10:34 PM

@Unionhawk I like that you knew what the WP term for this probably would be

Unionhawk

@Ash it was fresh from looking up the hbomb AfD

Which I think was normal keep

user15026

Ah, I just thought you were some sort of WP savant

Unionhawk

Former tbh

GodEmperorDune

urgh @TimStone already posted this

> Speaking in 2015, Moore called for getting rid of the income tax and moving to a national sales tax.

didn't we have a constitutional amendment over this?

Unionhawk

ah here we go en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/… (now amended on the talk to "snow keep", with one of the last comments recommending speedy keep because the AfD being open looks bad)

(snow as in "there is a snowball's chance in hell this will flip to delete as consensus")

GodEmperorDune

10:50 PM

> Delete per WP:1E. Prominent coverage is primarily due to a facebook photo that went viral. --mikeu talk 20:30, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

wow

Unionhawk

This is why AfD is a consensus process, others can look at that and go "?? No??" and it's not some locked in 1 person 1 vote deal

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