This Is Fine

Unionhawk

7:00 PM

@Ash officer jason van dyke murdered laquan mcdonald

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone oh i thought the fbi investigation took a darker turn

Unionhawk

back in 2014

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk is this the first successful conviction of a cop murder charge?

Unionhawk

no

but nearly

there was a case last year I think

user15026

@Unionhawk I don't know what it says that I have no idea who those people are :(

Tim Stone

7:02 PM

@Ash Yeah, what @Unionhawk said. The gist is that McDonald was walking away from police and in response to his not obeying their orders Van Dyke shot him 16 times in the back

Unionhawk

@Ash that this happens too often/that this happened 4 years ago

Tim Stone

then claimed that he was charging them with a knife so he had no choice

user15026

@TimStone 16 times WHAT THE FUCK

user15026

@TimStone if he was, he'd be coming TOWARD you, no back shots

Unionhawk

@TimStone He was also found guilty of 16 counts of aggravated battery. One for each bullet he fired into Laquan

user15026

7:02 PM

goddamn I hate people

user15026

@Unionhawk goooood

Yuuki

Not guilty of official misconduct is strange though.

Tim Stone

Perfect time for Collins to announce she's voting yes, let's wait!

Yuuki

I suppose the nuclear take interpretation is that the jury thinks police are expected to shoot young black males in the back 16 times.

Wipqozn

"Jury finds white Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke guilty of second-degree murder in 2014 shooting"... - Get updates at Reuters.com

Unionhawk

7:06 PM

Rahm next imo

Wipqozn

I'm slow as usual I see

Unionhawk

For burying the video for as long as he did

Wipqozn

But this is great to see. Hopefully this results in actual change finally.

Tim Stone

Tim Kaine stop talking

Finally

Protester interrupts Collins to ask her to vote not

Unionhawk

It looks like 3 other officers are facing conspiracy charges for the cover up

Tim Stone

7:09 PM

How old is Collins?

Unionhawk

65

Tim Stone

She's shaking

But she's calming down now that she's attacking the Democrats

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lmao, she's talking about dark money opposing the nomination but not supporting it

Anyway this is a very long way of saying she'll vote yes

Unionhawk

voting with her party, just like joe manchin is

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk Excellent

GodEmperorDune

"Yes, I was very troubled by the nominee's unhinged rage and repeated counts of lying under oath, but then I remembered how some liberal activists were against him from the beginning. Therefore, I have no choice but to support him."

Tweeted by KevinMKruse on October 5, 2018 at 7:12 PM in reply to KevinMKruse

Wipqozn

7:14 PM

@GodEmperorDune This makes less than zero sense

Tim Stone

I mean she said it a little more worded-ly

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn politics, yo

Tim Stone

But it boils down to that, lol

lmao, she thinks Kavanaugh will uphold the ACA

GodEmperorDune

lolololol

Unionhawk

I'm not sure I believe that she believes that

or cares either way

GodEmperorDune

7:16 PM

maybe mcconnell promised her

Tim Stone

lol

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune Your politics have become so polarized in the past few years. I'm not sure what happened, because I feel like it's never been this polarized before.

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn i mean we had an actual civil war about slavery, it was probably more polarized then

Tim Stone

Ahh we should actually be happy to get Kavanaugh

Wipqozn

Just seems the gap between left and right in the USA is growing larger and larger

@GodEmperorDune lol true. I guess I more so mean in the past 15 years.

GodEmperorDune

7:17 PM

some people who were alive during vietnam say that vietnam was more polarized than now, but that's about it

Unionhawk

@Ugarles http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072000050K33-3 My guess is the only one that applies is (a)(2), and second-degree murder is something less than "knowingly" under Illinois law.

Tweeted by laplanck on October 5, 2018 at 7:03 PM in reply to Ugarles

GodEmperorDune

Hey @LisaMurkowski - I can see 2022 from my house...

Tweeted by SarahPalinUSA on October 5, 2018 at 7:06 PM

Unionhawk

I move to suspend the rule allowing that post, and I furthermore move to censure @GodEmperorDune

Tim Stone

🤔

GodEmperorDune

it is a tweet by a politician about current events, i feel its on topic

Tim Stone

7:19 PM

She's just stating some nonsense now

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Is she saying that Russia is going to become the dominant superpower in 4 years?

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune that is why the motion to suspend the rules applies

Although that's definitely Not How It Works

Yuuki

Because that's all I can draw from "I can see Russia from my house" -> "I can see 2022 from my house" -> "Russia === 2022".

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki technically that was tina fey as sarah palin, but anything goes in politician shitposts

Wipqozn

I'm on mobile right now so that basically means it's complete anarchy. Moderation is impossible.

Unionhawk

7:20 PM

I think you can only go in the "there's a rule preventing me from doing a thing" direction

Wipqozn

Wait that's actually Sarah Palin? With the USA in her user name I assumed it was a fake account.

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn its verified

Unionhawk

There was also no second so it dies even if it was a proper motion

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune Yeah I just noticed.

GodEmperorDune

but this is probably her intern

Tim Stone

7:22 PM

@Wipqozn It's a little self-reminder

Wipqozn

@TimStone She is all the way up there in Alaska, which is basically just Canada

Tim Stone

What

She's claiming that Kavanaugh believes precedent is constitutionally binding, somehow?

Wipqozn

@TimStone Because of all the snow

Tim Stone

That doesn't make any sense

Wipqozn

Oh different what

GodEmperorDune

7:23 PM

@Wipqozn ah so the USA in the twitter handle is a reminder

Tim Stone

Yeah sorry she's still talking

She's like "Ah precedent is super important except when the case was Very Wrong!"

Unionhawk

I wonder what example case she has in mind that was very wrong!

GodEmperorDune

so precedent is important when it agrees with what i wanted to do all along

Tim Stone

I don't even know why she's going through all this

Like no one cares about his legal positions he's a Republican we already know

Unionhawk

Fun analysis! The senators voting no today represent 40 million more people than the senators voting yes

Tim Stone

7:26 PM

The issue here is that he's a huge liar and accused attempted rapist

GodEmperorDune

and also a sloppy drunk

Unionhawk

@TimStone I mean I care about his legal positions tbf

Not that it matters, they'd rubber stamp anyone else anyway

Tim Stone

I mean I care about them but she's trying to reassure people about them and that's not the issue!

Like we have to deal with him being personally a shitbag first

GodEmperorDune

the only silver lining with kavanaugh is that his liver is probably shot to hell from all those beers so he won't be on the supreme court as long as he would like

and also impeach him for lying under oath

Tim Stone

lol now she attacked pro-choice organizations for kicks, I guess?

Unionhawk

7:29 PM

🤔

4 mins ago, by Unionhawk

I wonder what example case she has in mind that was very wrong!

Tim Stone

She's claiming they were wrong to be concerned before so they shouldn't be worried about Roe v Wade

Now she's citing the ABA qualification after the ABA is like "mm well I guess we should take a second look"

They did maintain their rating, tbf, but like, c'mon

Yuuki

So she's voting 'yes', it seems.

Tim Stone

Garland and Kavanaugh have voted the same way 93% of the time, so he'll be a centrist

Oh good we finally got to the important part

Unionhawk

@TimStone I mean true in that there's a more recent case that is the law of the land (I forget, someone vs planned parenthood), and I think the analysis of the podcast formerly known as mic dicta is right, that this court will more likely just find everything short of an outright ban to be legal

Tim Stone

Yeah

lol

Unionhawk

7:34 PM

Now, that's true of every single one of the federalist society's grand project of shifting power to the right

Tim Stone

"Look it's a slippery slope if we err on the side of caution when a nominee, which happens very rarely, is accused by multiple people of horrible things"

lmao

Yuuki

@TimStone Oh hey look, it's my least favorite fallacy.

Tim Stone

Of course she's bringing up Avenatti

Unionhawk

the next president of the united states babey! awoouu

Tim Stone

"See I believe Ford but Avenatti shit the bed so you know Kavanaugh must not have done anything wrong"

Yuuki

7:36 PM

Has she definitively said she's voting 'yes' yet? If not, everyone should leave the room while she's still talking because it sounds like she's decided on 'yes' and is just dragging it out for more attention.

Tim Stone

She just said that no one could corroborate Ford's story, so yeah, she's voting yes

This is disgraceful. It's not surprising, but screw Collins for trying to rationalize this. Just say "Screw the libs" and be done with it like your friends

Like just being a horrible person aggravates me far less than trying to pretend that you aren't

Unionhawk

there is a video of the jury reading the verdict

BREAKING: Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke found guilty of second degree murder in the shooting death of Laquan McDonald. https://abcn.ws/2yfAq1b https://t.co/i28qd1ENB7

Tweeted by ABC on October 5, 2018 at 6:58 PM

one by one

> We, the jury, find the defendant, Jason Van Dyke, guilty of second degree murder.
> We, the jury, find the defendant, Jason Van Dyke, guilty of aggravated battery with firearm - first shot
> We, the jury, find the defendant, Jason Van Dyke, guilty of aggravated battery with firearm - second shot
> We, the jury, find the defendant, Jason Van Dyke, guilty of aggravated battery with firearm - third shot
> ...

user15026

@TimStone fuuuuck that

Tim Stone

She's now...going to bat for Feinstein?

Ah, whew, now she's back to going to bat for Grassley

Now she's blaming the leaker of Ford's letter?

"It was actually you who did the most wrong to Christine Ford!"

"Not I, the person who literally just said she was lying"

...Now she's talking about social media algorithms

LOL

"I hope Brett Kavanaugh will work to lessen the divisions in the Supreme Court"

He literally said he was the target of a Clinton conspiracy!

Who the hell is clapping for her speech? That was a terrible speech!

Unionhawk

7:52 PM

eli lake was

apparently

illinois FOP released a statement that we're not going to repost

standard stuff

Tim Stone

lol

Manchin immediately ready with that tweet

looks like y'all 503'ed the crowdpac for Collins opponent https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/387413/either-sen-collins-votes-no-on-kavanaugh-or-we-fund-her-future-opponent

Tweeted by JamesFDennin on October 5, 2018 at 7:46 PM

lol everything is terrible

@Unionhawk Holy shit

Unionhawk

yeah

standard cop mafia shit

Tim Stone

Manchin, speaking to CNN, is being drowned out by protesters shouting "shame" as he tries to explain his yes vote.

Tweeted by eorden on October 5, 2018 at 8:00 PM

Unionhawk

(it cannot be a union if it does not represent workers after all)

Tim Stone

Oh, #Florida! Gas station owner tells customers to stop using his microwave to warm up their urine. https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2018/10/05/a-florida-gas-station-owner-wants-people-to-stop-warming-their-pee-in-his-microwave

Tweeted by craigtimes on October 5, 2018 at 7:33 PM

Yuuki

8:04 PM

@TimStone I'm just waiting for Collins to also announce her retirement and joining some lobbying firm.

Unionhawk

dark money lib groups did this, now if you will excuse me I'm leaving to join judicial crisis network

Tim Stone

Can you imagine the raise Whelan is going to get for his ridiculous ass farce playing out?

"See we believe her we just don't believe her, because it was clearly not Kavanaugh!"

Unionhawk

They're weilding power

I expect nothing less

user15026

@TimStone okay, I guess I get it after reading the article but man what a thing to have to ask people :P

GodEmperorDune

8:45 PM

The page for the crowd-funded effort to back Collins' Democratic challenger has crashed. It crossed $2 million mark right around the time she began speaking. https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/387413/either-sen-collins-votes-no-on-kavanaugh-or-we-fund-her-future-opponent

Tweeted by JoshDorner on October 5, 2018 at 8:07 PM

Tim Stone

Special counsel team reports in new court filing that it wants to take control of Paul Manafort's Trump Tower condo and his estate in the Hamptons "on or after October 20, 2018," part of the broader forfeiture in his plea deal.

Tweeted by johnson_carrie on October 5, 2018 at 8:47 PM

Mueller Moving On In

Tim Stone

9:14 PM

New from me: Two FOIA lawsuits have detected a significant trove of unseen documents from Kavanaugh's time at the White House that relate to the Senate hacking scandal and other controversial subjects. https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawsuits-point-large-trove-unreleased-kavanaugh-white-house-documents-202543065.html

Tweeted by nycsouthpaw on October 5, 2018 at 8:33 PM

Unionhawk

10:21 PM

There was a don jr tweet about our favorite west virginia senator, but instead I will provide you with fellow worker Gritty because that feels like a better use of my and your time

Embrace your fellow worker! #1u

Tweeted by FellowGritty on October 5, 2018 at 1:21 AM

user15026

10:38 PM

This is not really news.

Tim Stone

11:39 PM

this is pleasingly nuts https://www.ft.com/content/1c748f2e-c8ea-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9

Tweeted by PickardJE on October 5, 2018 at 10:55 PM

I'm meh on banksy generally but lmao

user15026

@TimStone I wonder if the buyer still has to buy it, because technically it's not in the same condition as purchased....

Tim Stone

They don't know!

> “We have not experienced this situation in the past . . . where a painting spontaneously shredded, upon achieving a [near-]record for the artist. We are busily figuring out what this means in an auction context,” he said.

user15026

Yeah, I can imagine this is quite the conundrum

Tim Stone

11:55 PM

Murkowski is talking on the floor now, saying she agrees with Collins' points about how little a threat Kavanaugh is on a specific list of issues, but that a judge must handle themselves appropriately at all times to uphold public confidence, and Kavanaugh basically screwed himself in his testimony about Christine Ford

She blames the Democrats for putting pressure on him, but says hey, gotta keep it together anyway bro

user15026

....what exactly is all this talking intended to do?

user15026

Or is it just people like....trying to explain their choices?

user15026

(Sorry, haven't been paying attention today, no spoons)

Tim Stone

Obviously it's easy to be biased because she's sensible enough to vote no, but Collins could have given the same speech and deviated just a bit at the end where she sets the bar so high and it would have been faaaar less insufferable

@Ash Mm. So technically the vote this morning was to "limit debate" on the nomation

So now each Senator gets to "debate" the nomination in a time-limited fashion

But obviously it's absurd because everyone's already decided

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