This Is Fine

@Wipqozn If we're increasing the nuance level, "Authoritarian one party rule country that perceived pollution as a legitimate threat to its stranglehold on power clamped down massively on pollution through a variety of good and questionable means" does not in any way lead to "so can every other country in the world".

Wipqozn

12:45 AM

@puzzlepiece87 Except it does? Because all the matters is "IS this achievable with our current technology?"

I'm not making any comment on the politics of the things, it's just "THis is a thing any country can achieve if they actually tried"

Which they can, and countries (Well, most) are already taking steps to do it

puzzlepiece87

@Wipqozn I'm not sure where you're drawing the line if you're ignoring politics. Literally we could just shut down every power plant and destroy every vehicle, no technology required.

Baseball bat manufacturers rejoice.

Wipqozn

Okay but now you're just being ridiculous

The idea that we're incapable of making reasonable steps to reduce CO2 emissions is just false

puzzlepiece87

@Wipqozn That's not what I said.

Wipqozn

@puzzlepiece87 You're being extremely hypoblic

puzzlepiece87

But pointing to China as a followable model is also false.

@Wipqozn What I said was that you're drawing the line somewhere and I'm not sure where you're drawing it.

@Wipqozn If you're able to give a little more detail I'll better understand where you're coming from.

@Wipqozn Let's take one thing that China has done in its biggest cities that isn't an abuse on its face and apply it to Canada.

Wipqozn

12:50 AM

@puzzlepiece87 To be honest I'm not really interested. The only reason the world hasn't made larger progress towards CO2 emissions is because of politics and Oil companies promoting a false "global warming isn't real" campaign.

puzzlepiece87

In China's biggest cities, they've increased the car registration fees to an amount well in excess of the total sales price of the car and furthermore said that if your license plate is odd, you can only drive on certain weekdays, other weekdays for evens.

Wipqozn

and we can do so without committing civil rights abuses

puzzlepiece87

Can we de-pin the message on the right?

Wipqozn

@puzzlepiece87 Yeah, but the key thing is they've reduce CO2 by reducing the amount of fossil fuels from cars. Other cities could achieve that by better increasing public transport and better funding around electric cars.

Pursuring greener means of energy is another way

Parts of the USA under Trump are trying to actually make it illegal to have greener power since they want to keep the coal companies in business. Doing not that, and then also giving better funding around green energies helps with those emissions.

None of this is unreasonable or unreachable.

AS for China, my main reason for being China into it was that "Because China" is a reason the GOP have been tossing around past couple years of why they shouldn't even bother trying to fight climate change.

Whereas in reality, china is taking steps (regardless of how), so the notion that somehow there's no point in other countries even trying "Because China" is just a falsehood

@puzzlepiece87 I thought about that, but shog9 pinned it for a reason, and so I'm just going to wait for it to de-pin itself in a week and a half

puzzlepiece87

@Wipqozn Oh okay, that's fair. Wasn't sure who pinned it.

Wipqozn

1:00 AM

@puzzlepiece87 If you look at a messages history you can see the pinner

puzzlepiece87

@Wipqozn Ah, so you can, thanks!

@Wipqozn Thanks for taking the time to explain more clearly what you were trying to say. I agree with you.

Wipqozn

@puzzlepiece87 Yes I didn't mean to imply "yeah guys china totally isn't committing human rights abuses" because, well , yeah

I mean the iPhone plants with their suicide nets is just one example

Unionhawk

@Wipqozn it's even a bigger project than that, I think, and we're running out of time.

puzzlepiece87

@Wipqozn What I took away from your added detail is "What I'm trying to say is that every country needs to get its butt in gear and somehow do all the reasonable things that would help the situation."

Unionhawk

A question came up in one of our readings, "do you think this project of organizing the working class might take another generation" and the consensus was pretty "we don't have another generation"

Wipqozn

1:04 AM

@Unionhawk It is, but with the GOP in office it'll literally never happen

Especially under Trump

The democrats under Obama were obviously doing better, although I'm not sure by how much

But well Paris Accords were a thing at least

puzzlepiece87

@Wipqozn The "somehow" and abandoning of the original "if China can then so can everyone else" premise brought me into full agreement.

Wipqozn

@puzzlepiece87 Gotcha

Honestly the whole thing just stems from my growing frustration with the rights tactic of blaming "those pesky non-whites" for whatever problem is going on. Not just the GOP, because the Canadian conservative party is trying to pull the same nonsense with their "Birthing Tourism" complaints

Birthing tourism being that anyone born in Canada is a Canadian citizen

PC party recently voted that they're against it, and will take step to remove it if they get rid of it

Even though there's absolutly no data to support it's a problem

The statistic we have suggest the number of folks earning citizenship this way whose parents aren't already on the path to it is extremely small, and even then it's like...what's the problem? What's the concern?

Because it's not some way for parents to get aquick path to a citizenship. CAnadian citizenship is really hard to earn, and having kids with a citizenship is 100% irrelevant to the Canadian government. Having family with a citizenship only matters if they 18+, at which point they can sponsor you,but to sponsor you they need to show they earn a high enough income that they can support you if required.

Unionhawk

Also yeah I was going to say this is a non problem even if it happens a lot

user15026

@Wipqozn Yeaaaaah

user15026

Like the whole thing is stupid

Wipqozn

1:11 AM

So even if that was the parents plan, they sure are taking a long con, and in return Canada would get a citizen who pays a lot of taxes?

user15026

as someone dealing with Canadian immigration, like...what the hell

Wipqozn

I'm not seeing a downside here to these kids getting a citizenship

@Ash Just tell your SO to travel back in time and be born on Parliament hill surrounded by beavers making maple syrup and eating poutine

user15026

Apparently that's all we need

Wipqozn

@Ash IS there any actual timeline on when he'll earn his citizenship? Assuming that looks like what the ending will be

user15026

Well, kinda?

user15026

1:14 AM

Like we have to submit the application to CIC for permanent residence

user15026

so we do that hopefully when he is here in a couple weeks, if his background check arrives by then

Wipqozn

Oh right you need to be a perma resident for a while first too, don't you

user15026

Then we wait for them to approve me to sponsor, then there's some interim stuff he has to do, then they approve him to be a permanent resident

Wipqozn

I've never had to deal with it so I'm not familiar with all the inner workings, but I know it's not an easy process.

user15026

Then he has x days to come here to claim it (I do not know hte value of x, the internet is very quiet on that)

user15026

1:15 AM

then he can go home and get his stuff in order etc

user15026

We then have to wait 6-8 weeks for his PR card to arrive to me, which grants him the right to healthcare (although we have to apply to OHIP for the actual card), all the usual stuff minus voting rights and a few other bits that really in the grand scheme of things aren't really a big deal

user15026

then we wait 5 years (of which he has to be in the country for...3 I think, they measure it in days so it's confusing)

user15026

then he can apply for citizenship, do the test, say the oath, yadda yadda

puzzlepiece87

FYI @Ash if it helps you feel accompanied on the journey, Mrs. Puzzle is doing the same thing for USA.

Wipqozn

All of which is something any parents of birthing would need to go through too, starting at the day their kid turns 18

user15026

1:18 AM

@puzzlepiece87 I bet it's just as complicated, and I'm sorry that you have to go through it

Wipqozn

So it would be an even longer con than I thought

user15026

@Wipqozn yep, pretty much

Wipqozn

They'd have grandkids by the time they'd benefit from their oh so brilliant plan!

puzzlepiece87

@Ash It's okay, we've had it relatively easy. We're just holding our breath, hoping things don't change in the next 2+ years, and keeping Mrs. Puzzle away from the cops.

user15026

nods

user15026

1:19 AM

Right now i am just like "Dear FBI please to be processing and mailing my husband's background check" because that's the LAST bit we need to mail the big scary packet

Wipqozn

Inmate can be kept in constant solitary confinement at Nova Scotian jail, judge rules

> A judge has ruled it is reasonable to keep a prisoner in solitary confinement at the Burnside jail for more than a year and a half due to his violent behaviour.

user15026

(and I have nothing to go on there beyond 14-16 weeks processing time, if I really want I can try to call and ask what date of reciept they're processing currently, but that means a phone call)

puzzlepiece87

@Ash Googles NCIC's turnaround time these days

Wipqozn

> Diggs, 24, has more than 50 charges pending, for offences including assaulting and obstructing peace officers, uttering threats, sexual assault, sexual interference, robbery, theft, resisting arrest, causing a disturbance, breaching probation, breaching a court order, property mischief, unauthorized possession of a prohibited weapon, possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose and breaching a weapons prohibition.

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 14-16 weeks if mailed

Wipqozn

1:21 AM

> Jail staffers have filed 15 disciplinary reports on Diggs since he’s been at Burnside, Justice Kevin Coady says in his written decision that was given orally on July 9.

Holy crap

user15026

Faster if you do it through a channeller but that came with it's own set of complications

puzzlepiece87

@Ash Geez. So slow. I'm sorry.

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 Hey this is week 14

user15026

(or 15, maybe? I forget)

puzzlepiece87

@Ash My employment background check with them took like 20 weeks (more thorough than your SO's but also expedited due to importance). It's a long process.

user15026

1:23 AM

him coming here is close to when it should be processed, anyhow, and he arrives in 10 days 20 hours (barring flight delays)

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 It is :(

user15026

I mean, we do what we do

user15026

its more that that taking forever means we have filled out some of the CIC's forms a few times because they keep changing

user15026

and so many of them need signatures....

puzzlepiece87

@Ash Our version of this was having to reapply for work authorization since the permanent resident card didn't come for such a long time that it expired. (Or rather, it came with a mistake and had to be redone and that took like 12 weeks to sort out. Someone else's picture was on it.)

user15026

1:25 AM

@puzzlepiece87 oh boy

user15026

Although...not going to lie, knowing you are doing this too makes me feel...better? Like it sucks but we are both dealing with the suck?

user15026

(also man, what a mistake for them to make)

puzzlepiece87

@Ash I thought you might feel that way :)

user15026

Thanks for that :)

user15026

(also, thanks to all y'all for like putting up with my complaining)

puzzlepiece87

1:28 AM

@Ash Also, I'm half-deaf so I don't like using the phone. And you can laugh about this with me, I asked one of my friends to help me hear since I couldn't take their background check call effectively by myself, and then the calling investigator insisted on interviewing my friend too. Oops :P

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 oh, fun for everyone :P

Tim Stone

Mattis shoots down the Erik Prince contractor plan for Afghanistan: “When Americans put their country’s reputation on the line, privatizing it is probably not a good idea.”

Tweeted by joshrogin on August 28, 2018 at 2:25 PM

puzzlepiece87

@Ash This was all a long time ago and my extensive background check and all the personal information stored therein is now securely in the hands of Chinese OPM hackers for safekeeping :D

Tim Stone

Let's hope it stays down this time, that was one of the more dangerously absurd possibilities being floated lately

@Unionhawk Yaaaaaaay throws self into the sun

user15026

@puzzlepiece87 Huzzah!

Tim Stone

1:36 AM

Ballgame. It's Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum. https://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/andrew-gillum-wins-ron-desantis-trump-bernie?utm_term=.od179r4A6#.geywkdm5D

Tweeted by darrensands on August 29, 2018 at 1:16 AM

Tim Stone

2:41 AM

lol wait was the deal for the nominees just that everyone got to go home until Tuesday? jfc

GodEmperorDune

NEW: Magnitude 4.4 earthquake strikes 4 km north of La Verne, California, per USGS. https://abcn.ws/2Pbnyjt

Tweeted by ABC on August 29, 2018 at 2:39 AM

Unionhawk

@TimStone 19th century: socialism or barbarism. 21st century: socialism or extinction (but probably "and" at best at this point honestly)

but I'll still fight to make it "or" :)

Unionhawk

3:27 AM

Prison Strike official statement to the press Aug 28 2018 (as approved by the inside and/or designed reps of those on the inside)

(on my call with east bay communist caucus, we were instructed very clearly that only those on the inside or in some cases IWW-IWOC can speak for those on the inside so this is very official)

Tim Stone

stares into camera Folks

Drones, choppers, a dog named Cocaine: There is a gigantic snake hunt underway in Poland, and it has the country transfixed https://on.wsj.com/2wu7pxM

Tweeted by WSJ on August 29, 2018 at 3:30 AM

Memor-X

3:59 AM

16 states ask Supreme Court to cut protections for LGBTQ workers http://hill.cm/N1XPPm9

Tweeted by thehill on August 29, 2018 at 3:31 AM

Unionhawk

4:26 AM

what protections

afaik there... aren't... really any

Memor-X

5:16 AM

Toddler dies after allegedly getting substandard care in ICE facility http://hill.cm/beN8RtO

Tweeted by thehill on August 29, 2018 at 4:11 AM

> Juarez’s lawyers say Mariee contracted a respiratory infection at the center, which "went woefully under-treated for nearly a month." Juarez sought treatment for her daughter and was prescribed medication that her lawyers say did not help her daughter.

Wipqozn

11:01 AM

> The states, led by Nebraska Attorney General Doug Peterson, are insisting Congress did not intend to protect lesbian, bisexual, gay, transgender and queer individuals when they passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

These people aren't even trying to hide their bigotry

Unionhawk

11:35 AM

to be fair that's probably correct

but like

Wipqozn

11:47 AM

@Unionhawk True

Unionhawk

12:16 PM

Also again I'm not entirely certain what they're looking to cut because from my understanding the protections largely do not exist

Tim Stone

12:30 PM

Per the article the concern is over a 6th Circuit ruling that actually the protections do need to exist

Ugh the font change on TweetDeck is bugging me

Nzall

@TimStone It's because they're now prefering the same font that Microsoft uses for their logo: Segoe UI

Tim Stone

12:46 PM

"many of [John McCain's] GOP colleagues would rather keep the name of a Southern segregationist Democrat on the building rather than risk riling up rank-and-file Republicans" http://time.com/5380937/john-mccain-senate-building-renaming/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ebb-8-29&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

Tweeted by dburbach on August 29, 2018 at 11:53 AM

I mean on the one hand I don't care about naming a building after McCain but on the other hand these people are like seriously going to bat for Russell and it's just shakes head

SaintWacko

1:00 PM

@Wipqozn Can we use that same argument to say that the second amendment wasn't intended to allow citizens to carry anything other than flintlocks?

@Memor-X Abolish ICE

Nzall

@SaintWacko Supreme Court has already judged on that, I think

actually, I don't think it has yet

Actually, it has. Search District of Columbia vs Heller

and it's not even limited to firearms, even

Unionhawk

.@TomFriedman imagines the reaction if President Trump really did shoot someone on Fifth Avenue https://nyti.ms/2POoHi4

Tweeted by nytopinion on August 29, 2018 at 12:13 PM

the hard hitting opinion pieces we all crave

thank you nytopinion

oh jesus christ I should not have googled how much that man makes

what

Nzall

The language of the second amendment only states "the right to bear arms". It does not specifically say firearms. In theory, it could apply to anything from axes to Zero Gundams.

and even biological and chemical weapons

Noone has tested that yet though

Tim Stone

1:17 PM

Giving every child a Zero Gundam is the only way to stop school shootings

@TimStone oh my god

I know

no fucking way

Yes

After reporting suicidal thoughts, Stanford students say they were required to immediately withdraw from all classes, programs and housing. To return to campus, they had to write personal statements “accepting blame” for their behavior. https://nyti.ms/2wwZ2Bs

Tweeted by NYTScience on August 29, 2018 at 1:38 AM

Tim Stone

1:28 PM

jfc

SaintWacko

@Nzall What the fuck

Yuuki

@Nzall what on earth

SaintWacko

Can't have a high on-campus suicide rate if you kick out all the depressed folk

🤔

No, that's not the right face

Wipqozn

1:48 PM

There you go, that's the face you wanted

@Unionhawk I was honestly just thinking about this the other day

SaintWacko

@Wipqozn I mean, that works

But it's the other thinking face

Like finger to temple type thing

Wipqozn

The possibility of Trump just shooting someone in cold blood and then absolutely nothing happening, because as that piece has pointed out, he's done so much shit and just the GOP and his supporters don't care

SaintWacko

@Wipqozn Yep, they'll find some way to excuse it

"We've discovered that this man's great-grandparents may have been illegal immigrants, therefore he was a terrorist and Trump saved America by shooting him."

Wipqozn

And those post cold war points are chilling

Wipqozn

2:03 PM

'Outrageous' that Veterans Affairs pays for murderer's PTSD help, Tories say
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/christopher-garnier-ptsd-veterans-affairs-1.4801987
Shared via the CBC News Android App

This story has been pretty big lately in Canada, at least nova Scotia

puzzlepiece87

2:46 PM

538 chat about DNC changes that dances around but doesn't quite get to the obvious solution of STV

Wipqozn

3:04 PM

Global News: Donald Trump’s take-it-or-leave-it NAFTA threat against Canada has experts questioning legality.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4415687/nafta-threat-against-canada-experts-legality/

> The White House intends to send Congress a notice on Friday that it has entered into a trade agreement with Mexico and that Canada might join the pact in the future. Within 30 days, it will have to provide Congress with the full text of the agreement.

> Consequently, Dawson suspects Friday’s deadline will come and go, and negotiations will continue for weeks to come.

Aka she's got no time for trumps nonsense

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 There's a bit in there that I found interesting about how the superdelegate change created/fell along a racial divide.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Indeed, that was the most interesting point out of the points actually made, to me.

Generational divide among black voters

Yuuki

3:21 PM

I did also find it interesting that a common thread in the conversation was how the nomination should be quick and decisive.

You supposedly don't want second ballots at all.

puzzlepiece87

3:40 PM

@Yuuki I interpreted it slightly differently.

I interpreted it as fewer ballots = more democratic, more ballots = more.. republican? Where you're not choosing directly? Am I expanding republic into an adjective there correctly?

And then the arguments from there seemed to stem from a personal preference from more chatters for a more democratic process, as well as a base assumption that that was the stated goal of the DNC reforms, to make the process more democratic.

And then some debate about whether that would actually be the outcome of the reform rather than just the intention.

@Yuuki So I interpreted it less as "you all don't want second ballots" to "I prefer a more democratic process (fewer second ballots), and but it's a tradeoff between democratic process and potential voter blunders (argument for republic..anism?)

Unionhawk

I don't understand the argument that multiple rounds of voting is anti-democratic

Like, at all

That literally doesn't make sense

I suppose in the context of it becomes a free for all that delegates choose though, I guess

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk This was the implied context yes.

Under the reforms, the superdelegates are excluded from first rounds but not later rounds of voting, basically.

Unionhawk

That actually makes sense but perhaps,,, there are ways to make multiple rounds democratic

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk Stop me if I'm misunderstanding you, but exactly, that's why I felt like they were dancing around STV without quite getting there. You don't need to pay for each round, you pay for one ballot and then it takes care of things from there.

> natesilver: There’s also the question of whether ranked-choice voting would produce a different result.

Nate got there but didn't go anywhere with it.

Unionhawk

@puzzlepiece87 it's still a good change I think. While superdelegates have never directly reversed what would have been regular delegates voting, their presence in vote counts throughout the season still has a misleading influence

@puzzlepiece87 yeah there are various ranked voting systems with various "fairness" properties

puzzlepiece87

3:53 PM

@Unionhawk I'd prefer more democratic processes as well, as much as I distrust voters at large, for the (demonstrating consistency) same ACLU reason that whatever change you put in to suppress bad ideas, like superdelegates, can just as easily be used to suppress good ones.

Unionhawk

Ideally the job of delegates would be eliminated in favor of just running the votes through a stv or other ranked counter

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk Agreed, that's my personal favorite and I felt like they were bumping against it like an invisible wall. It was like they were trying to find a solution to their stated problems and a great solution was right there, but instead they were talking tradeoffs between lesser solutions.

Unionhawk

I mean, in my ideal world the whole thing is STV and we eliminate strategic voting entirely and maybe even elect a couple greens, but

puzzlepiece87

I'm okay with STV also!

Unionhawk

(for values of a couple greens meaning not the far right dude running on the green line in southern ohio somewhere lol)

Yuuki

3:57 PM

@puzzlepiece87 Personally, not a fan of Stranglethorn Valley.

puzzlepiece87

I understand thanks to 538's analysis that partisanship in the US isn't just because of gerrymandering or FPTP, but it could certainly be eased by getting rid of those two things.

@Yuuki What do you have against ursas?

@Yuuki (I've barely played WoW, but I think that was a zone dominated by ursa creeps, right?)

Unionhawk

It's a number of factors, but I think, for example, DSA's electoral strategy, is vastly weakened by the fact that we more or less have to work inside the machine

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 No?

Unionhawk

and the machine chews up and spits out everything that enters it

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Oops, where is it and what creeps is it dominated by?

Yuuki

3:59 PM

It's a jungle basically with a goblin city.

It's at the southern tip of the Eastern Kingdoms.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Ah got it, I thought it was a place near the Night Elf starting zone (at the time that I played)

Unionhawk

That said, I am still a fan of Refoundation's electoral strategy (engaging primarily as a means of building the movement)

Yuuki

With equal parts tigers, crocodiles, panthers, raptors, etc.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Ah yes, I'm extremely off then.

Tim Stone

raises brow and sighs

Unionhawk

4:02 PM

DOZENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim Stone

The WH mailer is leading with that today, which is from this story

Unionhawk

(around 100/25,000)

Tim Stone

It's just absurd that they frame this in terms of the company itself as if if Facebook really wanted to be liberal it couldn't direct its PAC funds to decimate GOP lawmakers instead of, you know, donating to them

Unionhawk

Yeah, again, famous leftists silicon valley

Noted radical space Facebook dot com

Tim Stone

The realities of internal cultures is a thing we can discuss but there seems to be some bad-faith conflating here

Yuuki

4:06 PM

@TimStone Facebook, headed by noted leftist demagogue Mark Zuckerberg.

Really, these chosen few are the only ones to see Facebook's true communist leanings. It is, after all, a platform where the people can take back the memes of production.

GodEmperorDune

A British man, who @elonmusk called a “pedo” on Twitter, has retained legal counsel and is “preparing a civil complaint for libel” https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanmac/the-british-diver-elon-musk-called-a-pedo-threatened-to-sue?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bfsharetwitter via @RMac18

Tweeted by mat on August 29, 2018 at 2:41 PM

Unionhawk

oh man is this going to be a british case too?

If it is I'm pretty sure elon is fucked lol

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune lmfao no way

Yuuki

> A British man

Unionhawk

he might have a chance in the united states, but probably not

Tim Stone

4:10 PM

@Unionhawk Holy crap, their examples are worse than I expected too

Unionhawk

unless I have that backwards

Tim Stone

"Seems AWFULLY SUSPICIOUS that we can't insinuate Islam is a violent religion and ignore everything else about other world religions"

Unionhawk

@TimStone "banned Alex Jones but didn't ban DSA Cincinnati - members group"?

Tim Stone

Yeah, that too

Unionhawk

lmao

Tim Stone

4:11 PM

The marketplace of conservative ideas in which Alex Jones suggests parents of murdered children are crisis actors

It's weird it's never like "Ah we shouldn't subsidize farmers because big government is bad" but "These people are inferior and should die" that's a problem why could that be 🤔

Unionhawk

Women in detention have told Mora Villalpando that they too would like to participate in the hunger strike, but she said, ICE has told them that if they hunger strike, they will be moved to a different facility, away from their children. #PrisonStrike #reprojustice https://twitter.com/SocialWorkersRJ/status/1034821236981985281

Tweeted by LVikkiml on August 29, 2018 at 3:26 PM

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk rage burns

Unionhawk

Exclusive: Tesla violated U.S. labor laws when Elon Musk tweeted about employees losing their stock options if they unionized, the NLRB alleges in new complaint. https://jalopnik.com/elon-musks-tweeting-habit-lands-tesla-in-hot-water-with-1828684370?rev=1535557106146

Tweeted by ryanfelton on August 29, 2018 at 3:38 PM

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk Much happier news.

Unionhawk

lol never stop posting elon

Current legal action against Elon for posting: NLRB, SEC, incoming civil complaint

Just, amazing

GodEmperorDune

4:22 PM

@Unionhawk abolish ice

@Unionhawk the one of the best thing about this elon case is that he doubled down the other day, saying that since the guy wasn't suing for libel he must really be a pedo

Tim Stone

No way, he didn't did he?

GodEmperorDune

> On Tuesday, the Tesla and SpaceX founder reignited the controversy on the social network by suggesting that Unsworth’s lack of legal action against him constituted something suspicious and that his original allegation of pedophilia should be investigated.

Tim Stone

looooooool

Rich people have some serious brain worms or something holy crap

Yuuki

"what's he going to do? sue me?"

user15026

@GodEmperorDune what the helllllll

user15026

4:31 PM

(Sometimes I think about how I used to like think Elon was a great human and then I am like "its okay self you did not know, you are wiser now, it's okay")

GodEmperorDune

@Ash yeah there is so much information and news coming from all directions, it's easy to miss things

also if you were wondering how long it would take the florida governor GOP candidate to go racist against the black democratic candidate, the answer is less than 24 hours after winning the primary

Tim Stone

That's so uncharacteristic of someone with friends like these, I'm sure it was just an innocent slip of the tongue

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone i mean there were a bunch of racist things in that interview, the headline is just the worst one

Tim Stone

Indeed

user15026

@TimStone That's such a horrible list of humans

Wipqozn

4:44 PM

@GodEmperorDune This should hurt his chances, but I know it won't

Not when it's in Florida

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn the race is between a very right wing person and very left wing person in a normally very centrist state... it's going to get wild

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune I thought Florida was very right ring?

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn recently yeah, but historically its a swing state

Yuuki

IIRC, Florida is a rather stratified state.

Parts closer to the mainland are right-wing but further south along the peninsula is more liberal.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki yeah this

Wipqozn

4:53 PM

Gotcha

Yuuki

5:14 PM

> “Thats not even a dog whistle, that's just yelling at your dog.”

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki yep

Yuuki

5:38 PM

> Riot Games is contracting with external parties to help fix their work culture issues.

They need to get rid of Beck first thing though.

SaintWacko

5:55 PM

@Ash Right?

Like, his company was doing some really great things for the planet but he's gone completely off the rails

user15026

@SaintWacko Indeed. I decided against reading the book about him, I decided I didn't want to know more about him and read an entire book :P

Wipqozn

@SaintWacko Seriously

It makes me wonder if something actually happened to him

SaintWacko

@Wipqozn Yeah, same

This... isn't normal

user15026

It does feel kinda weird but like maybe it's a case of "I have more money and power than I do sense so now you get to see the real me I hid so you'd trust me with stuff"

user15026

I am very hesitant to go "oh maybe he has the brainworms" because like...so many people do this, they get wealth and power and then we get to see how garbage they are because they feel like they're invulnerable now and can say and do what they want

Wipqozn

6:06 PM

@Ash he's had money and power for a while though so I figured his garbage would have come out ages ago

It could just be another case of Trump making garbage people feel more empowered

Unionhawk

I think it's just a general heightened consciousness towards these things

Wipqozn

That might be exactly it

We just weren't paying close enough attention before

Yuuki

I think it's a good move that Riot is working with third-party consultants for this issue. They better listen to them though.

seriously get rid of beck

Wipqozn

6:21 PM

@Yuuki its really the only option given how wide and high the issue is

If they actually act on anything will remain to be seen

Yuuki

@Wipqozn I could've sworn that similar companies with similar issues (cough cough Uber cough) haven't tried bringing outside consultants though?

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki clears throat and dons Super Cynicism Man costume That's because Uber's business model relies on acting like garbage and they are losing billions - Riot already makes money hand over fist.

user15026

@Yuuki This all sounds great on paper, I hope it actually bears fruit

Yuuki

@puzzlepiece87 Wish they'd put some of that money back into e-sports.

MSI took place in a studio and Worlds is in Incheon, not Seoul or Busan.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Sorry, Tencent needs it for further acquisitions. It takes money to buy all of the game companies.

Yuuki

6:31 PM

So what you're saying is that RNG better win Worlds this year.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki machine voice One moment please, parsing the layers of this joke...

Yuuki

Context: RNG (Royal Never Give Up, the "Up" is silent) is a Chinese professional LoL team.

They've always done really well in the Chinese league but somehow never make it to international competitions.

Except for this year. They went to MSI and won and now they might go to Worlds. And maybe win.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Indeed, that's what my Googling just showed me. But I couldn't find their owner. Are they owned by Tencent?

Yuuki

Probably not, but it's more of a reference to Chinese nationalism.

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki I always assume that Chinese athletes are under "win or else" conditions.

Yuuki

6:35 PM

Worlds has typically been dominated by Korean teams. If RNG wins this year, it'd be another vector to display Chinese nationalism. And so Tencent might be... encouraged to make future Worlds more ostentatious.

puzzlepiece87

> State-run news agency Nanjing Daily reported in 2010 that around 45% of Chinese athletes become unemployed after their retirement from sports.

> those who are entitled to benefits receive a monthly compensation of about $150.

@Yuuki Yes, this is a very good point ha

@Yuuki So circling all the way back, yes, RNG is your favorite team now if you want LoL's competitions to be higher grade :D

Thanks for walking me through all that, sorry I didn't get enough of it at first :)

Unionhawk

One of dota or lol need to change their championship name

Worlds and The International are too close

puzzlepiece87

@Unionhawk The easiest way would just be to include the company name, imo.

Wipqozn

7:36 PM

  Ontario government refuses to release Doug Ford's mandate letters to cabinet ministers        cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/…

I fucking hate sharing shit on mobile

Yuuki

Copy hijacking scripts are the worst.

Tim Stone

8:17 PM

UPDATE to UPDATE: USPS #FOIA office says it has no record in its logs of America Rising's FOIA request for Spanberger's personnel file, meaning it did not process the request. HOWEVER ... 1/ https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1034841995858984960

Tweeted by JasonLeopold on August 29, 2018 at 7:51 PM

(this is pretty wild, someone's full SF-86 being released like this)

McGahn believes Kushner and Ivanka helped push out news about him to force his hand, ppl close to him say. Ivanka Trump complained bitterly to her father about Times story on McGahn intvu w Mueller a few weeks back, per people briefed https://nyti.ms/2LCEHAn?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Tweeted by maggieNYT on August 29, 2018 at 8:15 PM

puzzlepiece87

@TimStone Shoot, that's pretty extreme. Obviously if it is or is not truly needed depends on the nuances, but that's information that the person is never going to be able to change or put back in the bottle...

I was griping just yesterday about my own information being stolen from OPM, and that's still better than public release...

Unionhawk

8:33 PM

DSA National has voted against the proposed endorsement of Cynthia Nixon

6-8

She is still endorsed by NYC

I'm honestly surprised by this development

puzzlepiece87

9:08 PM

@Unionhawk Did any of the voters publish reasoning for or against?

Tim Stone

10:50 PM

NEW: Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos has decided to stick with his plea agreement with special counsel Robert Mueller, his wife tells @ABC. https://abcn.ws/2on6VGa

Tweeted by ABCPolitics on August 29, 2018 at 10:07 PM

lol, good call

Ah, I see the President is having a real one over North Korea and also I guess tweets count as official statements now for the record

@Unionhawk In other news,

BREAKING: NY Gov. Cuomo suspended Weinstein sexual assault investigation just as he raked in $25,000 from Weinstein’s longtime law firm https://capitalandmain.com/cuomo-received-25000-dollars-from-weinstein-lawyers-firm-as-he-suspended-probe-0829

Tweeted by davidsirota on August 29, 2018 at 5:18 PM

Memor-X

@TimStone great, now he's talking in the third person

GodEmperorDune

11:07 PM

The Trump administration is accusing hundreds, and possibly thousands, of Hispanics along the border of using fraudulent birth certificates since they were babies, and it is undertaking a widespread crackdown on their citizenship. http://wapo.st/2PNIf68

Tweeted by washingtonpost on August 29, 2018 at 8:31 PM in reply to washingtonpost

@TimStone must not be scared of Cynthia Nixon anymore

user15026

Loblaws is pulling out of buck-a-beer after Labour day which means only 2 breweries (smaller ones, afaik) are still doing it :P

GodEmperorDune

@Ash it was such a dumb promise

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune ~~I'm taking it too seriously but your chronology is wrong.~~ Wait maybe not.

@GodEmperorDune Yes you are exactly right.

I thought it had been suspended months ago, not in June.

My chronology was wrong.

(I don't think Nixon's run stretches back as far as early Weinstein days.)

GodEmperorDune

Ehhh I was making a quick joke without reading the article

puzzlepiece87

@GodEmperorDune Indeed, I often take things too seriously and I thought that's what you did :)

GodEmperorDune

11:24 PM

@puzzlepiece87 i mean the trump admin stripping citizenship from latinos on the border (and ignoring documents that prove citizenship) is a bit more pressing

> In some cases, passport applicants with official U.S. birth certificates are being jailed in immigration detention centers and entered into deportation proceedings. In others, they are stuck in Mexico, their passports suddenly revoked when they tried to reenter the United States.

Memor-X

Coles (In Australia) resumes charging for plastic bags, expect people to bitch about because none of them have ever shopped at ALDIs (or Woolworths since they stopped a while back)

Unionhawk

@puzzlepiece87 The vote is so far secret (which is troubling for internal democracy but whatever), but, the main things I've seen is based on feedback from members; that New York state was not in agreement on this, it feels opportunist, DSA endorsing an actual celebrity feels odd, etc

Tim Stone

11:54 PM

@Ash I'm still trying to figure out how they expected this to play out tbh

Just out: The truth about Waymo... http://go.theinformation.com/4596b7125469ea51

Tweeted by amir on August 28, 2018 at 2:09 PM

Sounds like they'll need
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Waymo time to work on it

/cc @Yuuki

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone hue, a classic

@TimStone ugh, weird paywall

and email address validation... jerks

Tim Stone

Ah yeah, my bad

Breaking News: Education Secretary Betsy DeVos will propose new campus sexual misconduct rules that bolster the rights of the accused and protect colleges https://nyti.ms/2oihCcS

Tweeted by nytimes on August 29, 2018 at 8:32 PM

GodEmperorDune

jeez they have deny listed all my usuals

Tim Stone

Wait how can they have more rights than "Probably getting away with it"

user15026

@TimStone Considering how long it took him to have a platform at all, I'm kinda like "well this feels kinda on brand"

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