This Is Fine

Tim Stone

12:01 AM

@TimStone Apparently you do just drop it

I mean, not unlike a missile but those are meant to go boom

ToxicFrog

I'm super unclear on why they are doing this in the first place

Airplane launch is a lot of complication for not much benefit

Tim Stone

Supposedly there's significant fuel cost savings because the intention is to launch multiple Pegasus XL rockets from the aircraft at once

But they don't provide hard numbers so it's hard to say how much impact it has

Yuuki

@ToxicFrog Because I guess the nautical laws are murky for water launch vehicles.

ToxicFrog

12:19 AM

@TimStone unless the PXL uses some really exotic propellant mix, I don't buy it; fuel is generally the cheapest part of a launch by a huge margin.

And launching from a subsonic platform -- which that behemoth definitely is -- saves you, at most, 350m/s on a ~9000m/s delta-v budget

The rocket equation means you save more than the 1/27th of the fuel budget it looks like at first glance, but enough to count as "significant", especially once you take into account the cost of maintaining the launch platform?

@Yuuki if the answer is "it means we can launch from any airport into any inclination you want" that makes a lot more sense

Unionhawk

Partial victory achieved but still one

Tim Stone

@ToxicFrog The Pegasus itself is always launched by a host aircraft for some reason so multiple launches in a single flight might be savings by that metric at least, though it's unclear to me what the value in the Pegasus launch mechanism itself is

ToxicFrog

@TimStone yeah, like, if you take air launch as a starting point packing multiple launches onto a single flight is probably a win, but why that starting point

Unionhawk

Needle exchange approved unanimously at a local hospital in NKY

Tim Stone

@ToxicFrog The Wikipedia page for this conveniently provides zero citations for the claims, heh

> yet by delivering the launch vehicle to this speed and altitude, the reusable aircraft replaces a costly first-stage booster

> Pegasus is largely immune to weather-induced delays and their associated costs, once at altitude

Unionhawk

12:28 AM

Our preference was to locate it downtown at the health department

But it's still v good

Tim Stone

And no need for facilities on the ground except control

ToxicFrog

Ok, weather is also a good one

lol at "replaces a costly first-stage booster" though

A typical first stage is going 2-3 kps and is more than halfway to the Karman line at separation

Tim Stone

Wikipedia is claiming the nozzle on the first stage can be larger and fixed because of the low ambient air pressures and reduced crosswinds, which reduces cost if the first stage is dispoable

Also the aircraft lets them launch over the ocean which supposedly reduces insurance costs but it seems like the launch aircraft itself would still carry risk for that?

Given that the Pegasus has only flown 43 missions (not all of which were successful) since 1990 and the Stratolaunch has already eaten up hundreds of millions of dollars it seems like it would still take quite a bit of time to break even >_>

GodEmperorDune

12:45 AM

A revolting display of white male privilege. •Man sexually abuses his granddaughter—no prison •Woman yells at judge for the light sentencing—4 days in jail & $200 fine Utter injustice. America desperately needs criminal justice reform😓 https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2018/02/26/woman-jailed-contempt-court-after-outburst-sentencing-grandfather-who-abused-6-year-old/373946002/

Tweeted by MuslimIQ on February 27, 2018 at 12:34 AM

ugggggggggggh

why did you plead out a child molester to probation

so fuct

Tim Stone

Yeah, what the hell |:

quartata

wait hold up

that was a plea deal

something else has to be going on, how the fuck would he get no prison time for that

murgatroid99

Based on no actual legal knowledge, I would guess that the prosecution agreed to plea down that far because they thought they didn't have enough evidence to convict him of the original charge

But more generally, it's not really as simple as "man gets light sentence for a crime". It's "prosecution allows man to plea guilty to lesser crime and get definite lesser punishment instead of fighting a lengthy court battle that may result in a heavy sentence and may result in an acquittal"

And if the problem really was a lack of evidence, then I think this is the criminal justice system working correctly. No matter how heinous the crime, it shouldn't be possible to convict and punish someone without sufficient evidence.

Memor-X

1:27 AM

@murgatroid99 and that's what's disgusting about it, that the 6 year old either isn't or can't provide enough evidence alone. and not to mention you'll have the defense probably claiming that he "couldn't control himself" or paint the victim as lying about the entire thing. give that in december during an evaluation he admitted he has 10 drinks a week they'd probably also blame the drinking

GodEmperorDune

@Memor-X for some reason when you have 10 drinks and drive a car you are responsible but if you have 10 drinks and molest a 6 year old, then "it was the alcohol's fault"

murgatroid99

@Memor-X It's not really a problem with the criminal justice system that it's difficult to extract hard evidence from a 6-year-old

Memor-X

@GodEmperorDune like i said i'm assuming they blame that since as apart of the sentance

> He would be required under his plea agreement to abstain from alcohol and mood-altering drugs.

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 that is a problem imo, it encourages crimes against 6 year olds because they can't provide sufficient evidence

Memor-X

@murgatroid99 well if there was a torn hymen or vaginal/anal scaring i doubt there's be much of a problem, however it obviously depends on what's actually happening which is also another sick part if the perpetrator instigates the acts and avoids leaving evidence

murgatroid99

1:34 AM

@GodEmperorDune OK. What I'm saying is that you can't change that by changing the criminal justice system. You can't just change a law and magically make evidence appear

@Memor-X Normally, you have to prove not only that a crime was committed but that the accused was the person who committed it

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 how is the required amount of evidence needed for conviction not part of the law?

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune "Prove to a jury of peers beyond a reasonable doubt" isn't a hard standard

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 apparently it was too hard for this prosecutor to attempt

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune If they had gone to trial, and he was acquitted, would you be saying that is a better outcome, because at least the prosecutor tried?

Memor-X

@murgatroid99 especially when the defense's job sometimes is to make the jury have doubts by questioning motivations of testimony and using the lack of evidence to make speculations

murgatroid99

1:40 AM

Also, what I meant was that the standard for evidence doesn't specify "you need X pieces of evidence to convict" or anything like that.

You can't change a law to make a piece of evidence more convincing to a jury of 12 people.

Memor-X

Obama appears to hit at Trump: “You didn't hear about a lot of drama” in my White House http://hill.cm/6wu2c37

Tweeted by thehill on February 27, 2018 at 12:34 AM

i want Obama to lean back and smirk as he says "we had wild sex parties in the oval office on a weekly basis. we truck in all the hos and coke and we absolutely trashed the joint like a frat house. not a peep out it got out to the media"

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 i think you are giving the prosecutor too much credit

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune I'm not saying that he would have been acquitted. I'm saying that a plea deal is a sure thing, and a trial isn't

Memor-X

@murgatroid99 i think there's something similar like needing collaborating witness/victims

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune Also, I think you're kind of missing the point. We're arguing about this case without actually knowing what evidence the prosecutor had available to present, and you're just assuming that they threw the case, and not that they were simply doing their job

GodEmperorDune

1:45 AM

@murgatroid99 this is a fair assessment

prosecutor's office declined to comment on why they plead this one out so it is entirely speculation

Tim Stone

The judge is also not required to follow the sentencing recommendations the prosecution puts forth as part of the plea either, but

murgatroid99

Does this prosecutor have a history of pleading out cases that they could have won? Do we have any reason to assume that they're not competent at their job? It's not reasonable to just assume that someone is bad at their job because they made a decision you don't like based on information you don't have.

Tim Stone

This outcome is apparently not uncommon

murgatroid99

@TimStone Do you know what the maximum sentence is on the lesser crime that he actually plead guilty to?

Tim Stone

Up to five years in prison

(in Iowa)

That's why he's getting five years probation

GodEmperorDune

1:51 AM

@murgatroid99 apparently iowa state prosecutions of sex abuse cases do not get as many convictions, compared to federal

i have no idea if that is because of a competence thing or how the numbers are counted or what

i do know that in general, the criminal justice system tends to be more forgiving to white men than people of color so my default when a white man gets leniency is that something fishy is afoot

would it be better if all people were given leniency? sure

murgatroid99

I've had this Wikipedia page open for the last half hour

Blackstone's formulation

In criminal law, Blackstone's formulation (also known as Blackstone's ratio or the Blackstone ratio) is the principle that: "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer", ...as expressed by the English jurist William Blackstone in his seminal work, Commentaries on the Laws of England, published in the 1760s. Historically, the details of the ratio have varied, but the message that government and the courts must err on the side of innocence has remained constant. == Historic expressions of the principle == The principle is much older than Blackstone's formulation, being...

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 which is all well and good, except that it's not applied equally

part of this is unconscious bias inherent in society that goes into the justice system

that pretty people with high SES are considered to be more reliable as witnesses than non-pretty people with lesser SES

when all humans are extremely bad at being witnesses

murgatroid99

And the problem there is not the system, it's people

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 exactly why the system needs to be updated to not rely on unscientific evidence and witness testimony

murgatroid99

We should also get rid of judges, juries, and lawyers, because they all introduce human bias into the system

All criminal justice system should be made by perfectly objective robots, and in order to avoid introducing bias, they should only be programmed by other robots

GodEmperorDune

2:01 AM

lawyers are already on the path of being replaced by AI, but that just moves the human bias up the chain

murgatroid99

I'm using hyperbole for effect here, but I don't really think you can eliminate the biases you're describing while you still have the decisions made in the end by human lawyers, juries, and judges

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 maybe not eliminate but at least reduce

murgatroid99

And yet, people keep criticizing AI systems for making human biases even more systemic because of choices of training data and algorithms

GodEmperorDune

we could start with the recommendations that came out of the obama admin panel on making sure forensics have scientific validity and rigor

murgatroid99

Also, I'm pretty sure it's paralegals that are on the way to being replaced by AI. Computers are good at finding relevant case law, but that doesn't mean they can synthesize an argument in court

GodEmperorDune

2:05 AM

@murgatroid99 yet :D

Tim Stone

@murgatroid99 Incidentally it seems like this would suggest plea deals shouldn't happen, since they can have a coercive effect

GodEmperorDune

(i've heard of AI drafting and submitting legal responses for traffic tickets)

Tim Stone

(Better that the prosecution fail to make its case than to create a plea for a case that doesn't exist)

murgatroid99

@TimStone I think it's a bit more complicated than that. A trial has uncertainty on both sides. Sometimes guilty people get acquitted, and sometimes innocent people get convicted. A plea deal creates a compromise of certainty and expediency that isn't great, but is better than the worst outcome for both sides.

Tim Stone

Prosecutors also tend to benefit from making wins regardless of the substance of outcome, which isn't ideal either

murgatroid99

2:11 AM

Yes, it's not really good that we equate "the defendant is guilty" with "the prosecution has won", but there's also inherent value in the adversarial justice system and it may be difficult to eliminate that issue without throwing out something important.

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 part of that may be judging the prosecutor's job performance based on number or percentage of convictions

however i don't know of an objective metric that corresponds to "times they did the right thing"

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune Right, and part of what I mean is that if we don't do that, we may skew incentives in a different way that leaves us even worse off

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 agreed

murgatroid99

In theory, the fact that both sides are trying to "win" is what makes it fair

GodEmperorDune

at least with an AI system, you could do a different training set or algorithm, then rerun old cases to see how it decided to behave on them

murgatroid99

2:14 AM

@GodEmperorDune but our input about whether the AI's decisions would be the "correct" ones still introduces our own biases into the system

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 tbh i haven't figured that part out

it also assumes that we could get humans to mostly agree on what the correct outcome is

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune And also that we could get most humans together in a room to train a criminal justice AI

I guess in theory, a democratically trained justice robot would be the closest thing you can get to that kind of agreement. But pure democracy is the tyranny of the majority, and if you don't have good checks against that, you won't end up with a good justice robot.

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 its not like people will have anything better to do in fully automated luxury gay space communism

Unionhawk

I mean if your FALQSC has cops then tbh I disagree

GodEmperorDune

I mean regulations are kind of like cops and without them we get this

#BREAKING: Trump EPA to shut down office handling research on chemicals' effects on children's health http://hill.cm/8Vd58qR

Tweeted by thehill on February 27, 2018 at 1:52 AM

Yuuki

2:26 AM

@GodEmperorDune So... this is his revenge for the embarrassment the kids made of him at the school shooting meeting, huh?

quartata

2:36 AM

@Yuuki yeah just no more kids

Memor-X

@quartata well it's a solution, you can't have school shootings without schools and you can't have schools without kids

> Homer: I believe that children are our future... unless we stop them now!

quartata

2 trillion IQ solution

just kill all humans

Tim Stone

Next I will get exclusive reaction to the Adam Schiff memo from Carter Page #Hannity

Tweeted by seanhannity on February 27, 2018 at 2:22 AM

Memor-X

@quartata but then who maintains the killbots?

Tim Stone

Oh come on 😂

quartata

2:41 AM

@TimStone nice

Memor-X

but on the other hand. we have a 3 quin-trillion iq idea to stop the killbots

zap branningan explains his genius strategy for defeating killbots futurama

►

and we use the kids who would be shot in school shootings to do it

quartata

@seanhannity maybe you can ask him why he has been under fbi investigation for like five years

Tweeted by Runned on February 27, 2018 at 2:35 AM in reply to seanhannity

:thonk:

@Memor-X or just reanimate the corpses

I guess that would be like recycling though, can't do that

Memor-X

@quartata yes because recycling is protecting the environment, which is clearly what Trump does not want to do

he wants to be the CEO of the company who supplies the Giant Blocks of Ice to dump in the ocean

quartata

in that case I have a great investment for him called ice-nine

would definitely help us get to maximum entropy faster at least

big is good right

Tim Stone

3:05 AM

A terrible loss for US North Korea policy at an important time: Joe Yun is retiring, says "completely" his decision to do so http://cnn.it/2t0PAYE

Tweeted by nktpnd on February 27, 2018 at 2:42 AM

I hate you mobile twitter

Anyway so yeah good time to not have a South Korean ambassador or really anyone with a strong NK background near the decision making process

so... he's an authoritarian?

Tweeted by UrbanAchievr on February 27, 2018 at 2:24 AM

I mean because I assume everyone assumes that he'll a) find a way to do nothing b) think he can get Congress to just pass a law to that effect

But y'know another classic Federalist take

Hannity is shilling for coffee? Also what do guns have to do with coffee? Are they adding gunpowder for an extra jolt?

Their site actually doesn't say they're conservative but it does say their coffee will kick my ass so I guess it's implied

Memor-X

4:16 AM

@TimStone target practice?

Tim Stone

12:33 PM

uhhhhhhh what is "seems idiotic for those who hate guns to go after those who own them" implying exactly https://twitter.com/mflynnjr/status/968280782530908161

Tweeted by ashleyfeinberg on February 27, 2018 at 12:30 PM

Ah classic Flynn Jr implying he'd murder people coming for his guns

Mad Scientist

12:51 PM

WITCH HUNT!

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on February 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM

Tim Stone

Well that's certainly not random and unhinged

Kevin van der Velden

Let me guess, he got some bad news?

Tim Stone

The crazy part is we don't even know what yet

Oh, I guess he's just watching TV

“We’ve seen NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION....I have seen nothing, the firing of James Comey and all of the aftermath, that suggests that the President has obstructed justice because he’s exercising his power as the President of the U.S. I just don’t see it.” Judge Ken Starr

Tweeted by realDonaldTrump on February 27, 2018 at 12:45 PM

Tim Stone

1:17 PM

Daughters of "Snake" author: "Trump is the living embodiment of the snake" http://hill.cm/KqR7PmY

Tweeted by thehill on February 27, 2018 at 1:13 PM

lol

Unionhawk

2:12 PM

reports on the ground in WV are good

the strike continues

the governor was like "go back to work and we'll have a special session" and everyone was just like "lol"

also apparently he owes tax in some particularly poor KY counties or something?

idk, point is, :raisedfist:

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk lol fricking Jim Justice

Unionhawk

no

that's not his real name

I refuse to believe this

Tim Stone

You know who he is, at least indirectly

He ran as a Democrat to win the governorship then switched (back) to Republican because he's a Trump supporter

And then Trump was all "Look at how great I am Jim Justice wants to be on my team"

Because everything is super stupid

Unionhawk

if he became a federal judge he'd be Justice Jim Justice

or is that just supreme court judge idk

Pittsburgh teachers union is now also declaring a strike starting 3/2

Tim Stone

2:38 PM

"People who engage in wrongthink should forfeit the franchise."

Tweeted by UrbanAchievr on February 27, 2018 at 2:37 PM

Another Federalist take to inject right into my veins

Unionhawk

is this a Reason take

ah fdrlst

Tim Stone

Imagine regurgitating that lie about CNN several days after they released the undoctored emails

Unionhawk

hell yeah, draft without representation

Tim Stone

Australian Department of Home Affairs talks cyber, and they have a moat, with geoblocking "forward posts"! That's nice. Thanks for the laugh @Jordonsteele

Tweeted by dobes on February 26, 2018 at 10:01 AM

Unionhawk

also: my guy the kid who was pro-gun should also be able to vote let's go everyone vote

(idk)

The left benefits from large turnout and high enfranchisement, so I mean this is p transparent

in, both directions, tbh

to me age is kind of weird but it should be no higher than 18 since, again, draft without representation

also lol at this local piece on how it took these idiots in the city two full years to pass a needle exchange

(they spent a long time talking about how they've been looking at the issue for a while, and listed literally every meeting any comissioner or the mayor went to tangentially related to the issue since 2014)

Tim Stone

2:44 PM

Happy 1st birthday to “Nobody knew health care could be so complicated.” http://huff.to/2lNNaan

Tweeted by JeffYoung on February 27, 2018 at 2:12 PM

Unionhawk

> The city was not wasting time, city leaders said Monday, but instead was evaluating its options, studying the issue, and attending meetings. ...
> But still, no action was taken, despite calls from local health officials ... that inaction would likely result in a spike in HIV and hepatitis C cases.

Tim Stone

Current status 👀 https://goo.gl/CVcuJ9

Tweeted by JuddLegum on February 27, 2018 at 2:31 PM

@Unionhawk Ah, the classic "Let's regroup later"

Housing official: I was demoted after refusing to let Carson spend thousands to redecorate office http://hill.cm/28ZzWkW

Tweeted by thehill on February 27, 2018 at 2:46 PM

Unionhawk

@TimStone Narrator: the local health officials were right, there was a spike in HIV and hepatitis C

"Newport has always been a leader and forward-thinking" lmao ok dude

I forgot he said that lol

Tim Stone

Report: No progress for African Americans on homeownership, unemployment and incarceration in 50 years http://wapo.st/2opMCZ9

Tweeted by washingtonpost on February 26, 2018 at 10:55 PM

Unionhawk

well at least A Thing happened eventually, and I guess you have to give credit to them for not doing a "we'll do it when another county and city do it too"

like what has been in place for a couple years nearby

Tim Stone

2:53 PM

@Unionhawk lmao, the article goes on to say "Vietnam was winding down so we didn't really need 18 year olds in the military anyway" and says 18-24 year olds being the most-left-leaning group and letting them vote is "gerrymandering"

Do they engineer these people in the lab for maximum dumbassery?

Unionhawk

Yes

It's a special division of the Cato Institute

some go to Federalist, others to Reason

how else do you explain Megan McArdle

you CAN'T

Tim Stone

Trump Saturday: The NRA is on our side. Let's raise the age limit for assault weapons purchases. Trump Sunday: Has a secret lunch with NRA heads Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox Trump Now: On second thought, I'm now against the plan I proposed on Saturday. https://twitter.com/acosta/status/968289131234234368

Tweeted by mattmfm on February 27, 2018 at 12:44 PM

lol

Coulter also has a take that United should have been sued for 9/11

What a day

Unionhawk

what does that even mean

Tim Stone

I guess technically she did that yesterday, but

Unionhawk

sue george bush for failing to prevent it and therefore doing 9/11?

Tim Stone

2:58 PM

Apparently their planes should have been less easily hijackable!

Unionhawk

oh United not The United States

Tim Stone

But it's mostly just so she can complain about them pulling NRA discounts

Unionhawk

that makes some more sense

Tim Stone

Oh, lol, yes

Unionhawk

3:15 PM

uh

Tweeted by jackmirkinson on February 27, 2018 at 3:08 PM

Unionhawk

3:31 PM

oh apparently the announcement is he's running?

he's been running since 1/20/17?

what?

Tim Stone

3:45 PM

Right?

Unionhawk

asxfkljhalskdjfgmh

Arperum

@Unionhawk Pretty sure he didn't even stop between the elections and the time he actually became president.

Unionhawk

The Supreme Court has ruled that immigrants, even those with permanent legal status and asylees, do not have the right to bond hearings — effectively meaning they can be held indefinitely.

Tweeted by NPR on February 27, 2018 at 3:28 PM

Arperum

@Unionhawk wat

Get out.

Unionhawk

I'm mad

Arperum

3:48 PM

Mexico needs to build a wall to keep the Americans out.

MBraedley

@Unionhawk Seriously? That goes against the UN Charter of Rights and Freedoms (which, admittedly, the last I checked wasn't ratified by the US).

Arperum

@MBraedley Land of freedom does not support freedom. logic checks out.

Yuuki

@Unionhawk Thanks, Obama.

Nzall

@Yuuki You're probably joking, but Obama has nothing to do with this

Unionhawk

I mean

Yuuki

4:02 PM

> The Obama administration appealed to the high court, insisting that Congress — not the courts — has the power to make immigration law and that the law allows the government to detain "criminal and terrorist aliens" as well as "aliens seeking admission to the United States."

The Trump administration continued the case.

Nzall

@Yuuki And if Obama got to appoint the progressive judge he wanted, the SCOTUS would probably have gone the other way

Yuuki

@Nzall That's a bit different from "Obama has nothing to do with this".

Not to mention, trying to leave it to SCOTUS when his administration could've just withdrawn the case is more than a bit of a misstep.

My other point is that we need to recognize faults when they are faults. If we keep idolizing previous administrations because the current one is literally a dumpster fire, we're never going to get anything done.

It's basically the same thing as "the good old days" that the boomers keep harping on about.

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk dammit

Unionhawk

yeah just because he's now probably only second place in deportations doesn't make him being the previous record holder fine for example

Yuuki

And yes, Obama was very good on other issues but that doesn't excuse his administration from issues like deportation and drone policy.

No, we shouldn't condemn his presidency for failing to tackle these issues properly, but we also shouldn't glorify it just because Trump is literally a baby with a toupee and a temper tantrum.

GodEmperorDune

4:20 PM

@davidhogg111 I would love to have you on today to clear up some of the disinformation that has been put out about my statements concerning the tragedy. I notice you're calling me a "shit journalist" and "snake oil" salesman when I have never called you any disparaging names.

Tweeted by RealAlexJones on February 27, 2018 at 4:02 PM in reply to RealAlexJones

Woooooooow

Unionhawk

I mean, those things are correct

GodEmperorDune

I mean he’s probably doing this so he can go “why would David turn us down unless he is HIDING THE TRUTH”

Unionhawk

Wait 🤔didn't you get sued for pedaling lies about the survivors and victims of another school shooting? Clearly someone didn't learn from their mistakes

Tweeted by davidhogg111 on February 27, 2018 at 3:19 PM in reply to davidhogg111

GodEmperorDune

<3 the parkland teens

GodEmperorDune

4:40 PM

In good news:

Ok y’all it’s almost time to tune in to watch me present the @dollyslibrary’s 100 Millionth Book to @librarycongress. I’ll be live on http://facebook.com/dollyparton at 10am ET! #100MillionBooks

Tweeted by DollyParton on February 27, 2018 at 2:12 PM

Tim Stone

> Alex Jones talks with Chuck Johnson

So a shit journalist both literally and figuratively

Checks out

Yuuki

@Unionhawk I know it's minor and not the point but "peddling".

@GodEmperorDune Are we 100% sure that Alex Jones hasn't tried selling literal snake oil?

And also he's talked about Trump a couple times, so that's "shit journalism" in the sense that he's doing journalism about dung.

Unionhawk

@Yuuki pedaling lies would be riding a bike while doing infowars

Tim Stone

4:55 PM

He's probably done that

puzzlepiece87

@Yuuki Yup.

I also have major grievances with Obama over drones and whistleblowers.

quartata

@Unionhawk :thonk:

@TimStone is this for real

Tim Stone

Unfortunately the Federalist is a publication that exists, yes, though no one's sure how since they refuse to disclose their source of funding 🤔

quartata

the implications are just staggering

Unionhawk

@TimStone I mean

If you have to wonder

Tim Stone

5:10 PM

Logan Paul to get YouTube advertising back after being suspended for posting disturbing videos: report http://hill.cm/LWEINmZ

Tweeted by thehill on February 27, 2018 at 5:10 PM

lol

@GodEmperorDune Oh lmao I didn't realise that he was doing this because CNN had his channel frozen

That's fantastic

Unionhawk

Wait what

Tim Stone

@davidhogg111 Again Mr Hogg, in your name CNN has shut down my speech on YouTube. It is critical that you come out and support the 1st Amendment and not let them use you to end free speech.

Tweeted by RealAlexJones on February 27, 2018 at 4:06 PM in reply to RealAlexJones

Unionhawk

CNN managed his channel?

Tim Stone

I guess after he got a first strike the other day he uh, got more strikes?

Unionhawk

Hahahahahahahahahaha I forgot he got community policy striked

Tim Stone

5:17 PM

@Unionhawk They asked about other videos after the first strike

And I guess YouTube went "Oh yeah I guess Alex Jones is actually bad huh?"

Unionhawk

Two strikes honestly misrepresents how strikes work

You can get owned with just one

Tim Stone

EXCLUSIVE: The Mysterious Professor At The Center Of The Russia-Trump Probe Has Disappeared. Even His Girlfriend Can't Find Him. https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/the-mysterious-professor-at-the-center-of-the-russia-trump?utm_term=.tsaArbAQY By @AlbertoNardelli

Tweeted by chrisgeidner on February 27, 2018 at 5:17 PM

user15026

@GodEmperorDune I love this so much!

quartata

@TimStone obligatory response:

@RealAlexJones @davidhogg111

Tweeted by jackschofield on February 27, 2018 at 5:03 PM in reply to RealAlexJones

GodEmperorDune

@Ash right?!

100 million books donated

Tim Stone

5:24 PM

WATCH: NSA Director Rogers on Russian cyberattacks: "I believe that President Putin has clearly come to the conclusion there's little price to pay here, and that therefore I can continue this activity." https://t.co/3c5gGLvrAS

Tweeted by NBCNews on February 27, 2018 at 4:17 PM

Unionhawk

Oh apparently Jones is completely owned now

lol

quartata

never before seen levels of corn cob

Tim Stone

@TimStone Rogers also stated that neither Trump nor Mattis has given him instruction to counteract any attempts by the Russians at future interference and without such an order he's unable to do anything

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone love to hire the best people that know how to run a government

also lol @ all those "mattis is the adult in the room" takes

user15026

@GodEmperorDune She's awesome for a lot of reasons but that is definitely one of them

Tim Stone

5:29 PM

@GodEmperorDune I mean tbf Mattis couldn't give the order in this case without Trump giving the order to Mattis, but yeah

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone "mr president, will you sign this thing that makes our country safer?"

maybe have barron brief him on "the cyber"

Yuuki

I like how there are all these books of conspiracy theories where the military generals or some group gives orders and makes plans behind the incompetent president's back. But in real life, they'd rather not do anything and just wait on his hand and foot.

Like, how many times has there been a spy movie where it turns out there's some kind of government conspiracy that works beneath the radar in opposition to the current administration?

Tim Stone

Scoop: DCCC warned Dem candidates against pushing for gun reforms after the Las Vegas concert shooting. Urged offering "thoughts and prayers" instead. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dccc-las-vegas-massacre-email_us_5a9579f6e4b036ab0142c108?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004 … via @danielmarans

Tweeted by jbendery on February 27, 2018 at 5:38 PM

Everyone is the worst

Yuuki

@TimStone woooooooooooooooooooooow

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone sad but unsurprising

user15026

5:45 PM

@TimStone Not shocked, because it's kinda clear no one wants to actually take responsibility to fix this

Tim Stone

Yeah, it's just crazy annoying because they'll call up asking for money claiming "Oh but we can't let the Republicans win" and I'm like "The hell is the difference?"

Unionhawk

@TimStone dtrip also polled current members on single payer and you'd never guess what current members think

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone well other issues

but they've been hard moderate for a while

Yuuki

> "All I know is my gut says maybe."

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune Right, but I'd rather back individual candidates at that point than trust DCCC with my money

Unionhawk

5:48 PM

Wait for the critical mass of polling to support a thing and never actually be progressive on anything ever

Then claim that you've always supported the thing later

Yuuki

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone yeah, exactly

Unionhawk

One way the NYT could really challenge and provoke its readers in an interesting way would be to have a genuine socialist columnist who disagrees with Bennett (and the Times' readership!) on the value of capitalism.

Tweeted by chrislhayes on February 27, 2018 at 2:41 PM

chris hayes join dsa

user15026

6:55 PM

Today in fucked up takes re: Toronto serial killer (this is gaslighting and it is AWFUL): theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/…

Yuuki

7:09 PM

@Ash augh why did they call it project houston?

quartata

@Yuuki perfection

GodEmperorDune

7:26 PM

@Ash what the fuck

like

i mean

uggggggggggggh

weren't the civilians like "people are getting murdered, police why don't you start investigating"?!

user15026

They were, yes

user15026

They were like "hey why are people disappearing" and the police were like shrug emoji

Unionhawk

7:57 PM

@Unionhawk So it sounds like this ruling isn't quite as horrifying as NPR makes it sound?

This isn't what happened. The Court struck down the justification that the 9th Circuit had used to require bond hearings — and told the 9th Circuit to go back and make a _new ruling_ about whether prolonged detention violates immigrants' rights. https://twitter.com/NPR/status/968508235966828551

Tweeted by DLind on February 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM

Tim Stone

8:40 PM

@Unionhawk (For more details)

Unionhawk

in any case SCOTUS has been declared Cancelled for being about to destroy fire/teachers/etc unions

Tim Stone

the tl;dr is basically the tweet there but to clarify, the 9th Circuit said "We don't have to consider the constitutional question because we interpret the statute to require this"; Alito & majority say "You can't interpret the statute that way, it's not reasonable, so you need to consider the constitutional question, go do that"

Breyer with the dissent says "Obviously it's unconstitutional if you opt to interpret the statute the way the majority does so this is dumb"

GodEmperorDune

and thomas with the "you don't have standing" opinion

Kushner loses access to top-secret intelligence https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/27/jared-kushner-security-clearance-downgrade-427178

Tweeted by blakehounshell on February 27, 2018 at 8:44 PM

Unionhawk

8:57 PM

@blakehounshell https://t.co/TvbPcpRTKN

Tweeted by darth on February 27, 2018 at 8:52 PM in reply to blakehounshell

lol a bunch of nazis got owned on discord

reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/80gsar/ton_of_servers_deleted

GodEmperorDune

rekt

Unionhawk

apparently altfurry is also among those who got destroyed

Yuuki

Judging from the name, I’m guessing they were Nazi furries?

Unionhawk

yes

and yes you're right that doesn't make sense

Yuuki

Which just seems strange if you knew anything about who got sent to concentration camps.

Tim Stone

9:11 PM

@GodEmperorDune At least we get to take pleasure in the simpler things like Jared Kushner getting owned

Unionhawk

AND NAZIS GETTING OWNED ON DISCORD

quartata

finally

altfurry was particularly egregious

Unionhawk

Like in addition to making no sense yes

quartata

I think they were the ones that got spookperson banned

Unionhawk

yes

I am desperate for a pollster to ask Republicans if they think Parkland was a false flag and the teens are crisis actors. I would bet so much that it’s over 50%.

Tweeted by virgiltexas on February 27, 2018 at 8:09 PM

Yuuki

9:21 PM

I would hesitate to say it's over 50%. Or rather that I doubt over 50% of respondents would actually say they think it's a false flag out loud.

Even so, I don't believe it's a small number either.

Unionhawk

The number is more likely on the order of 20% yes 45% don't know

quartata

lol @ the people trying to say atomwaffen was ok in that thread

Unionhawk

I heard there's someone in there who straight up quoted the Niemoller poem if you sort by controversial

quartata

Also love the 200 IQ OP who thinks discord is decentralized

@Unionhawk fucking hell you weren't kidding

wasn't sarcastic either

Unionhawk

I don't understand

Tim Stone

9:28 PM

SAYS WHO, PART TWO! @brikeilarcnn is a national treasure. Watch this. https://t.co/R3rR9D0i2l

Tweeted by joshtpm on February 27, 2018 at 8:35 PM

Unionhawk

like my man, the "they" in "they came for" is you fuckers

quartata

probably skips the third line lol

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk The guy quoting it wasn't a Nazi, it was just a general free speech thing (still not appropriate, though)

Unionhawk

I mean, is one of these guys vs is defending these guys is a pretty thin line

4 or 5 mm

quartata

*nanometer

murgatroid99

9:31 PM

There really is a difference between defending someone's right to say something and defending the things they are saying

puzzlepiece87

^ I agree and support the ACLU in agreeing

murgatroid99

And yes, quoting that poem is very inappropriate here, and yes, I acknowledge that there are no legal rights to having your speech supported by any specific private platform, but even accounting for those things, it doesn't mean that someone who thinks otherwise is a Nazi

quartata

I would also note that if you slog through the normal posts in their history you'll see it's not quite as innocent as all that

murgatroid99

It's a very dangerous precedent to start saying "Defending X group's right to speech is almost as bad as being in X group"

puzzlepiece87

@quartata Despite my earlier agreement, I'm not surprised to hear that.

Unionhawk

9:36 PM

For, in this case, a value of X group that wants my friends dead. To be clear.

Tim Stone

> Far-Right Troll Chuck Johnson Tried Out for ‘Survivor.’ Here’s His Audition Tape.

BREAKING: @CBSMiami reports Nikolas Cruz's gun jammed after he changed magazine clips, forcing him to end his attack. #WBZ

Tweeted by LiamWBZ on February 27, 2018 at 9:07 PM

murgatroid99

@quartata It looks pretty innocuous to me, except for one other instance of "I don't like the far right, but..."

Tim Stone

So he effectively said "Guess I'll give up and go get lunch"

jfc

quartata

@murgatroid99 didn't say it was anything as egregious as being actual nazi, but they seem to be a 2nd amendment absolutist in other posts and in the post you're quoting the words "just to see the left cry" were stated

i can't really take someone whose political thinking revolves around childish bullying of a political bogeyman as not being somewhat sympathetic to those assorted forms of ideology

murgatroid99

@quartata I saw almost exclusively posts about personal finance and phones

quartata

9:43 PM

yeah, hence slogging through the normal posts

Yuuki

@quartata I too would like to see the left cry

tears of joy because FALGSC became a real thing.

quartata

they're a prolific poster and it's not all about politics, that's normal

just like how uni's history consists mostly of being unRO'd with the occasional radical socialist message

puzzlepiece87